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Printablethekidsgirl said: How the hell has a John Mayer thread gotten 177 replies??
 Girl, put your fuckin seatbelt on if you really wanna read this shit and find out. It's a damn E ticket ride  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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thekidsgirl said: How the hell has a John Mayer thread gotten 177 replies??
Everytime I come back to read the current posts, I put daughters on, seriously...just to put it all into perspective. | |
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Janfriend said: RZR said: Sure, but to detest it for being something that it isn't seems a little ridiculous. That's only to you. You don't know that for sure, so it is not ridiculous. Like I said before, two people can get something completely different from reading the same book. This is no different. No one is the authority on what the song means, not even me and if you paid attention to everything I said you would realize that. The rest of you say you know 100% what that song is about, but your name is not John Mayer. Every piece of art is open to interpretation You are right when you say that every piece of art is open to interpretation, though I think by comparing the work in question to some of John's other work, you can come closer to truly understanding his intentions. The majority of John's lyrics are not English major-double entendre-word geek type stuff. Generally he says what he means and even when he does use metaphors or similes, they're usually on topic and only serve to make his obvious point said in a little more interesting way. That said, if he really WAS trying to write "Daughters" about what you said it was about, I think he failed miserably because if he WAS trying to make some thinly veiled, sexist point, he really didn't allude to it at all, except if you misinterpret the "you are the god and the weight of her world" line (in which he is speaking to the father.) I think this is a great thread, it'd be fun to interpret lyrics and music like this. We rarely have discussions like this on the Org!  [Edited 5/14/07 13:23pm] | |
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Janfriend said:[quote] Rhondab said: What is there to overcome? Besides, we got into two different conversations: one about the song and then one about society Actually adding the word "some" or even rephrasing it wouldn't change the true meaning of the song but just make it CLEARER for you to hear the meaning.
I'm still trying to figure why you and others on here can't accept that we have different views of what the song means? I understand it is human nature to want to be the authority, but really none of you have the authority on this song and that seems to be hard for some to grasp. I never told anybody their interepretaion of this song was wrong or ignorant. I never tried to personally discount anyone to make my point. I said this is what the songs means to me, this is how I see it. Some of you can't accept that and say "ok, this is how I see it" as opposed to "This is what I know and you're wrong." You're telling me you know what the song means for a fact and I am flat out wrong. That in itself is wrong and it not a good way to debate [Edited 5/13/07 8:05am] oh whatever Jan.... if you can't see that having positive male role models for girls is needed, oh well. too many  women in the world to discount my point though.... | |
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You all must realize you are speaking to a Janet Jackson fan. This is the type of person that will argue until they are blue in the face, ESPECIALLY when they are wrong.  "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss | |
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RZR said: You all must realize you are speaking to a Janet Jackson fan. This is the type of person that will argue until they are blue in the face, ESPECIALLY when they are wrong.
this is funny on so many levels....wheeeeewwww lawd... | |
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guitarslinger44 said: Janfriend said: That's only to you. You don't know that for sure, so it is not ridiculous. Like I said before, two people can get something completely different from reading the same book. This is no different. No one is the authority on what the song means, not even me and if you paid attention to everything I said you would realize that. The rest of you say you know 100% what that song is about, but your name is not John Mayer. Every piece of art is open to interpretation You are right when you say that every piece of art is open to interpretation, though I think by comparing the work in question to some of John's other work, you can come closer to truly understanding his intentions. The majority of John's lyrics are not English major-double entendre-word geek type stuff. Generally he says what he means and even when he does use metaphors or similes, they're usually on topic and only serve to make his obvious point said in a little more interesting way. That said, if he really WAS trying to write "Daughters" about what you said it was about, I think he failed miserably because if he WAS trying to make some thinly veiled, sexist point, he really didn't allude to it at all, except if you misinterpret the "you are the god and the weight of her world" line (in which he is speaking to the father.) I think this is a great thread, it'd be fun to interpret lyrics and music like this. We rarely have discussions like this on the Org!
[Edited 5/14/07 13:23pm] I appreciate your contribution and I honestly have not heard much of John's other work | |
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Rhondab said: Janfriend said: I'm still trying to figure why you and others on here can't accept that we have different views of what the song means? I understand it is human nature to want to be the authority, but really none of you have the authority on this song and that seems to be hard for some to grasp. I never told anybody their interepretaion of this song was wrong or ignorant. I never tried to personally discount anyone to make my point. I said this is what the songs means to me, this is how I see it. Some of you can't accept that and say "ok, this is how I see it" as opposed to "This is what I know and you're wrong." You're telling me you know what the song means for a fact and I am flat out wrong. That in itself is wrong and it not a good way to debate [Edited 5/13/07 8:05am] oh whatever Jan.... if you can't see that having positive male role models for girls is needed, oh well. too many women in the world to discount my point though....Once again, you're misunderstanding me, but that's ok. I don't care anymore | |
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RZR said: You all must realize you are speaking to a Janet Jackson fan. This is the type of person that will argue until they are blue in the face, ESPECIALLY when they are wrong.
You're still incapable of contributing anything constructive to the conversation. Throwing insults must make you feel better about the problems you have in your own life. Being a Janet fan has nothing to do with this thread. If you paid attention, you would know I rarely talk about Janet here on the org | |
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Janfriend said: Rhondab said: oh whatever Jan.... if you can't see that having positive male role models for girls is needed, oh well. too many women in the world to discount my point though....Once again, you're misunderstanding me, but that's ok. I don't care anymore actually its not me misunderstanding you. I get what you're saying. You completely don't get what I'm saying and many others. Daddy issues hell....he's just saying to the dads, realize this. Simple. and just brush off some stuff Jan. Personally, I would have laughed at what RZR said and kept on. | |
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Rhondab said: Janfriend said: Once again, you're misunderstanding me, but that's ok. I don't care anymore actually its not me misunderstanding you. I get what you're saying. You completely don't get what I'm saying and many others. Daddy issues hell....he's just saying to the dads, realize this. Simple. and just brush off some stuff Jan. Personally, I would have laughed at what RZR said and kept on. I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree. It's as simple as that. I don't think my feelings are more valid than yours. I don't think I am right and you are wrong, however I get from you, based on your comments, that you feel your opinion is more valid than mine and correct. You can't seem to say anything is just your opinion I never brush off anyone insulting me or personally attacking me. I'm not passive | |
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Janfriend said: RZR said: You all must realize you are speaking to a Janet Jackson fan. This is the type of person that will argue until they are blue in the face, ESPECIALLY when they are wrong.
You're still incapable of contributing anything constructive to the conversation. Throwing insults must make you feel better about the problems you have in your own life. Being a Janet fan has nothing to do with this thread. If you paid attention, you would know I rarely talk about Janet here on the org clearly the Janet-fan mentality spills over into all areas of conversation with you. "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter, and those who matter don't mind." -Dr. Seuss | |
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RZR said: Janfriend said: You're still incapable of contributing anything constructive to the conversation. Throwing insults must make you feel better about the problems you have in your own life. Being a Janet fan has nothing to do with this thread. If you paid attention, you would know I rarely talk about Janet here on the org clearly the Janet-fan mentality spills over into all areas of conversation with you. What the hell are you talking about? What's wrong with you? I suggest whatever personal issue you have with me, address in an orgnote and leave it out of this thread [Edited 5/14/07 23:10pm] | |
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Janfriend said: Rhondab said: actually its not me misunderstanding you. I get what you're saying. You completely don't get what I'm saying and many others. Daddy issues hell....he's just saying to the dads, realize this. Simple. and just brush off some stuff Jan. Personally, I would have laughed at what RZR said and kept on. I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree. It's as simple as that. I don't think my feelings are more valid than yours. I don't think I am right and you are wrong, however I get from you, based on your comments, that you feel your opinion is more valid than mine and correct. You can't seem to say anything is just your opinion I never brush off anyone insulting me or personally attacking me. I'm not passive and you have a baddddd habit of speaking for others. I've said that women can OVERCOME being fatherless and become strong women. Opinions can be wrong. Mine, yours, or whomever. I'm just relentless. Its a part of my daddy issues.
That's like if someone walked up to you and said grass is blue and you're looking at the same grass. Just because you've interrupt something one way doesn't mean you or even me can't be wrong. Maybe not passive but hypersensitive.....heat....kitchen...walk out. Laughin' at stuff ppl may say about you doesn't make you passive. Just means it doesn't get to you and doesn't apply. | |
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JackieBlue said: This turned out to be a great thread. I'll continue to love Daughters.
I am a little curious of opinions of Father In You but that might be best left alone.  ROFL!! Well damn, now I GOTTA print the lyrics 
Mary J. Blige, "Father In You" Can I talk to you, baby When I was a little girl, I didn't have a father And that's why I'm leaning on you... When I was a baby, I didn't get a hug from daddy That's why I need a hug from you... Ohh, it's not easy And I thank you for putting up with me When you don't have a daddy's love To say that you... (To say that I'm your little girl) Are his little girl... (Oh why didn't you love me) And give you the love... (I need love yeah yeah yeah yeah) you really deserve... (And I believe I deserve it and that's why, oh) [chorus] That's why I need The father in you (I need the father in you, baby) That's why I need (Please don't hurt me please) The father in you That's why I need (Oh that's why) The father in you (Really need you) That's why I need (Please be true) The father in you Oh, things got bad To the point where mommy couldn't hold us down And that's when it hurt me so much to see her To see her cry... (Oh don't cry, momma, don't cry momma, don't) Each and every night... (We're gonna be alright that's what I used to say) I said that some day (That I would try to take his place) But it was too hard (It was so hard trying to be a man and a woman and that's why I need the father in you) [chorus] That's why I need (oh I needed) The father in you (I put my trust on you) That's why I need (Please don't let me down) The father in you That's why I need The father in you (I need the father in you) That's why I need (Hold my hand) The father in you [Breakdown] Because we never had one at home No, no, no, as a little girl So I understand, why daddy couldn't be there Cause it's so obvious nobody taught him how to be father either Oh and I'm not sayin this to reminisce on the past I'm just saying this to make you understand that I needed a father And this is my problem, this is why I couldn't keep no one This is why I couldn't stay alone, I was so scared alone Every woman needs a man and I don't think she understands That she really needs a father the father in you, my brother She really needed the father, the father in you When your wife is speaking fellas, pay attention Yeah, don't ignore her, no,no,no I really need the father in you   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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I love that song 
 I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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First time I heard Father in You I damn near bawled. That song is filled with pain. Some losses or absenses you don't get over. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: First time I heard Father in You I damn near bawled. That song is filled with pain. Some losses or absenses you don't get over.
The one that makes me cry is "I Found My Everything" OH SHIT, I BET JAN HATES THAT ONE TOO!!
. [Edited 5/15/07 6:10am] I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: JackieBlue said: First time I heard Father in You I damn near bawled. That song is filled with pain. Some losses or absenses you don't get over.
The one that makes me cry is "I Found My Everything" OH SHIT, I BET JAN HATES THAT ONE TOO!!
. [Edited 5/15/07 6:10am] I had to check the lyrics on Everything again. It's a little claustophobic. She sounds a bit young on that one.Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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CalhounSq said: JackieBlue said: First time I heard Father in You I damn near bawled. That song is filled with pain. Some losses or absenses you don't get over.
The one that makes me cry is "I Found My Everything" OH SHIT, I BET JAN HATES THAT ONE TOO!!
. [Edited 5/15/07 6:10am] trouble maker but ya probably right!  | |
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Rhondab said: Janfriend said: I understand what you are saying, I just don't agree. It's as simple as that. I don't think my feelings are more valid than yours. I don't think I am right and you are wrong, however I get from you, based on your comments, that you feel your opinion is more valid than mine and correct. You can't seem to say anything is just your opinion I never brush off anyone insulting me or personally attacking me. I'm not passive and you have a baddddd habit of speaking for others. I've said that women can OVERCOME being fatherless and become strong women. Opinions can be wrong. Mine, yours, or whomever. I'm just relentless. Its a part of my daddy issues.
That's like if someone walked up to you and said grass is blue and you're looking at the same grass. Just because you've interrupt something one way doesn't mean you or even me can't be wrong. Maybe not passive but hypersensitive.....heat....kitchen...walk out. Laughin' at stuff ppl may say about you doesn't make you passive. Just means it doesn't get to you and doesn't apply. Right, and so do you | |
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CalhounSq said: JackieBlue said: First time I heard Father in You I damn near bawled. That song is filled with pain. Some losses or absenses you don't get over.
The one that makes me cry is "I Found My Everything" OH SHIT, I BET JAN HATES THAT ONE TOO!!
. [Edited 5/15/07 6:10am] No. I like "I Found My Everything" however, I don;t like how is tries to sound like "Natural Woman" [Edited 5/15/07 11:15am] | |
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JustErin said: thekidsgirl said: How the hell has a John Mayer thread gotten 177 replies??
Let's all pull a John Mayer and blame this long ass thread on our daddies. It's their fault. I swear this is like the funniest thread!! Forget prince, this should be johnmayer.org
With peolpe getting all emotional over this whiny ass song I mean, it's nice, but damn! If you will, so will I | |
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thekidsgirl said: JustErin said: Let's all pull a John Mayer and blame this long ass thread on our daddies. It's their fault. I swear this is like the funniest thread!! Forget prince, this should be johnmayer.org
With peolpe getting all emotional over this whiny ass song I mean, it's nice, but damn! It has crossed the 200 reply mark 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: thekidsgirl said: I swear this is like the funniest thread!! Forget prince, this should be johnmayer.org
With peolpe getting all emotional over this whiny ass song I mean, it's nice, but damn! It has crossed the 200 reply mark and over 2,000 views! | |
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Janfriend said: Rhondab said: and you have a baddddd habit of speaking for others. I've said that women can OVERCOME being fatherless and become strong women. Opinions can be wrong. Mine, yours, or whomever. I'm just relentless. Its a part of my daddy issues.
That's like if someone walked up to you and said grass is blue and you're looking at the same grass. Just because you've interrupt something one way doesn't mean you or even me can't be wrong. Maybe not passive but hypersensitive.....heat....kitchen...walk out. Laughin' at stuff ppl may say about you doesn't make you passive. Just means it doesn't get to you and doesn't apply. Right, and so do you see there you go again....WRONG sista....I just have an opinion about everything ppl say...
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Rhondab said: Janfriend said: Right, and so do you see there you go again....WRONG sista....I just have an opinion about everything ppl say...
I'm opinionated, relentless...yet so, so very very fly Isn't it strange how I'm so WRONG about everything and you're so right? What does that say about you? Are you the authority on what's right and what's wrong? Attempting to analyze a person you do not truly know is a mistake. Back to your grass comment. If someone said the grass is blue, then it's blue...to them. Who the hell said "We're gonna call this color green and everyone has to agree." Shit, someone could call the color "Hoospah" and it wouldn't matter to me. It is what is it is to them. Your crime example was kind of weird because you said me saying I don't see something is like saying crime doesn't exist because I don't see it. Well, saying the same thing, that something does exist because of what you see is like saying blacks and latinos commit most of the crime in this country because that's all you see on the news | |
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Janfriend said: Rhondab said: see there you go again....WRONG sista....I just have an opinion about everything ppl say...
I'm opinionated, relentless...yet so, so very very fly Isn't it strange how I'm so WRONG about everything and you're so right? What does that say about you? Are you the authority on what's right and what's wrong? Attempting to analyze a person you do not truly know is a mistake. Back to your grass comment. If someone said the grass is blue, then it's blue...to them. Who the hell said "We're gonna call this color green and everyone has to agree." Shit, someone could call the color "Hoospah" and it wouldn't matter to me. It is what is it is to them. Your crime example was kind of weird because you said me saying I don't see something is like saying crime doesn't exist because I don't see it. Well, saying the same thing, that something does exist because of what you see is like saying blacks and latinos commit most of the crime in this country because that's all you see on the news Umm, Jan, that's just crazy Grass IS green. You can disagree w/ it or refuse to acknowledge it BUT the REALITY is that grass is green. & if a person who's aware of that fact YET chooses to disagree with it is... in question  I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: Janfriend said: Isn't it strange how I'm so WRONG about everything and you're so right? What does that say about you? Are you the authority on what's right and what's wrong? Attempting to analyze a person you do not truly know is a mistake. Back to your grass comment. If someone said the grass is blue, then it's blue...to them. Who the hell said "We're gonna call this color green and everyone has to agree." Shit, someone could call the color "Hoospah" and it wouldn't matter to me. It is what is it is to them. Your crime example was kind of weird because you said me saying I don't see something is like saying crime doesn't exist because I don't see it. Well, saying the same thing, that something does exist because of what you see is like saying blacks and latinos commit most of the crime in this country because that's all you see on the news Umm, Jan, that's just crazy Grass IS green. You can disagree w/ it or refuse to acknowledge it BUT the REALITY is that grass is green. & if a person who's aware of that fact YET chooses to disagree with it is... in question Well she does have a point in that Green is only Green cuz someone a long time ago said it was Green. Green could have just as easily been Blue or Zorch for that matter. Who's to say that the person who gave the color Green the name Green was right? Don't you love philosophy? 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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