SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

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I just realized a few things about you. You often butt in with nothing interesting to add to a topic but, they still let you on this board.

This is not rude but, it does make you a bit of a bore.

I hope that was rude enough for you.

laurarichardson said:

No, that's not the part that was rude. You know what you said that was rude. You just did it again

Rhondab said:[quote]

Janfriend said:

It wasn't an ignorant conclusion. That's how I interpreted what I said, which is why I said I take that as you saying... and I guess... None are those were definite responses. It leaves it open for you to clear up any misunderstanding, which is what you did. Thank you for the clarification. Also, I most certainly DID NOT discredit the importance of fathers. I even clarified my point, so really who's making the ignorant conclusion now?



I mentioned these studies never include the opposite effects, so really, if it is undocumented how much do we really know about that? Also, when I look around me, I don't see what you see, sorry



The song itself is actually a generalization, he didn't say "some."

It is a sweeping genralization to say the song is 100% correct and anyone who sees it differently or goes against it is out of their mind

I already mentioned that if the song was flipped, I don't think everybody would be praising it

Again, fathers getting props is not the issue I have with this song
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PaisleyPark5083 said:

This song reminds me of my girlfriend....she loves exactly like her father. She is controlling, and sometimes,selfish....just like her father. Her brothers really take after their mother. They are more sensative and caring. I think what the song is saying is this....The way we love as men, has an effect on everyone, especially our daugthers. We are the foundation of the family and we are the "God's in our daugthers world". In the song, the father of the girl that John sings about, walks out. She is then left to "clean up the mess he made". This is something that my girlfriend has been doing since he walked out, and I am starting to see that it really has nothing to do with me.
[Edited 5/13/07 7:40am]

Janfriend said:[quote]

Rhondab said:

Jan, that's like saying that crime isn't a problem for some because its not in your neighborhood. That's limited thinking.

And most songs are generalizations. So if he said "some", you would have a different attitude?

Janfriend said:

1) Laura hasn't said anything different than what I've said.

2) Paisley is saying that she "made it" despite having an alcoholic dad. I'm thinking (and this is an assumption again Paisley) that she is also implying that there was some effect but she overcame it to chose a great husband.

I think Paisley "gets" the meaning of the song even in relationship to her experience.


i'm done though.

laurarichardson said:

Rhondab said:

I never said not having a father was not a problem for "some." Jesus... And I never said you said a woman couldn't survive. You said she couldn't be balanced, which is a horrible thing to say



Towards the song? Yes. Actually if he worded the whole song differently and didn't put emphasis on a certain thing I would have a different attitude, but then it would be a completely different song

Just curious, Am I not allowed to not like the song for the reason I don't like it?
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Rhondab said:

I don't think you know what I'm talking about in regards to what she said

Janfriend said:[quote]

Rhondab said:

it's not his graduate thesis. it's a song. it's written in a way that is concise and catchy, not as an article that's going to be printed in a Psychology journal with double blind studies and whatnot.
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RZR said:

I can respect that, but am I not allowed to detest it?

What?

Janfriend said:

Sure, but to detest it for being something that it isn't seems a little ridiculous.

RZR said:

That's only to you. You don't know that for sure, so it is not ridiculous. Like I said before, two people can get something completely different from reading the same book. This is no different. No one is the authority on what the song means, not even me and if you paid attention to everything I said you would realize that. The rest of you say you know 100% what that song is about, but your name is not John Mayer. Every piece of art is open to interpretation

Janfriend said:

You're rejecting the most logical interpretation of the song only so that you can continue to hate it. And I suppose that's fine. But don't keep wondering why people are disagreeing with you.
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RZR said:

...rejecting the most logical interpretation... You really don't know that, do you? That's a sweeping generalization. You never heard of double meanings? I am not rejecting something so I can conitnue to hate. I hate the song because of how it comes across to me. Other people here understood that. Your interpretation is not more valid than mine. Trust me. I'm not wondering why some people are disagreeing with me. I don't even know where you got that idea

Janfriend said:

Almost everyone else in the world who's heard the song interprets it one way. And then there's you.

And I suppose I should have worded the other part differently: Don't get a chip on your shoulder when people disagree with you if you're going to go out of your way to continue to interpret the song in an illogical way.

RZR said:

How do you know this?



So, now I have a chip on my shoulder? So, my disagreeing with other people means I have a chip on my shoulder? What exactly would I have a chip on my shoulder about? Now, you've resulted to insults to get your point across. How nice. Feel better?. You should be proud. There's no need to personally attack someone. My interpretation is not illogical to everyone. Re-read from the beginning. I know for a fact I'm not the only person in the world who feels this way about this song

Janfriend said:[quote]

RZR said:

I think I hear your dad calling you home for dinner....

RZR said:

How brilliant and profound. I just realized you haven't contributed much to this conversation. Why do you feel a compulsive need to be a jerk?

Janfriend said:

ugh. nevermind.
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Janfriend said:[quote]

Rhondab said:

I didn't say that. and you can call on Jesus all you want...

That's your interpretation of what you think I said.

The application of words to meaning can be hard for some. I just don't discount the effects families minus fathers. I believe I've said over and over that any one can overcome anything.

Actually adding the word "some" or even rephrasing it wouldn't change the true meaning of the song but just make it CLEARER for you to hear the meaning.

So anyway...

if you're an average to cute blonde and are interested in getting boinked by John Mayer, hit up one of his concerts.

Rhondab said:[quote]

Janfriend said:

So, when you said Positive male influences are NEED for girls to be balanced women. that does not also mean that a girl who doesn't have a positive male infulence won't be a balanced woman?



What is there to overcome? Besides, we got into two different conversations: one about the song and then one about society



I'm still trying to figure why you and others on here can't accept that we have different views of what the song means? I understand it is human nature to want to be the authority, but really none of you have the authority on this song and that seems to be hard for some to grasp. I never told anybody their interepretaion of this song was wrong or ignorant. I never tried to personally discount anyone to make my point. I said this is what the songs means to me, this is how I see it. Some of you can't accept that and say "ok, this is how I see it" as opposed to "This is what I know and you're wrong." You're telling me you know what the song means for a fact and I am flat out wrong. That in itself is wrong and it not a good way to debate
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Rhondab said:

Rhonda, you are dead on!
I am through though, I am going to my corner, and listen to "daughters".

JustErin said:

This turned out to be a great thread. I'll continue to love Daughters.

I am a little curious of opinions of Father In You but that might be best left alone.

laurarichardson said:

I didn't think it was any secret I detest you You are rude, always have been. Just thought it was hilarious she never noticed

How the hell has a John Mayer thread gotten 177 replies??

thekidsgirl said:

Let's all pull a John Mayer and blame this long ass thread on our daddies.

It's their fault.