CalhounSq said:

Another good song and one that clearly states a woman's or in this case, Mary's dependence on her husband for certain things and not that that's a bad thing.
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CalhounSq said:

I only imply that you're hiding something b/c you say the writer is hiding his hate of women in his lyrics - what exactly makes you think he hates women? & is it fair for someone reading your statements to assume you hate men?

& why do you follow up your "I don't hate men" statement w/ only negative descriptions of what men do - in other words, now that you've let it be known what a man WON'T do to you, do the positive things that a man can do for you/with you ever enter into the picture? THAT'S what's catching my eye Jan, that overwhelming sense of negativity in regards to men - I'm not even saying that you do hate them, but you're pretty much coming across that way (to me)...

Also, why does the song make you ANGRY? I understand if you don't "agree" with it, but why ANGER?




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PLaying armchair psychologist, I'd assume the thing that makes her angry is the song's depiction of a deadbeat dad (2nd verse "since the day he started walking away...") and maybe something of it rings true with her. I'm betting deep down she really does wish she'd had a a good relationship with her father. No one says the things she's saying UNLESS they have some issue with that relationship (or lack thereof.) Just my 2 cents.

oh brother....

just because you overcome something doesn't mean that it didn't have some effect on you.


and you (Jan) are denouncing the roles and importance of Father's in the lives of girls as frankly unnecessary.


A woman CAN NEVER know everything about being a man. This is why so many relationships are so jacked up. I'm all for pro fem this and that but I recognize the difference in men and women and there are some important areas that I can't teach my daughter. I can assume, make suggestions, etc but men can teach her a thing or two and HAVE .

This is why in the two mommies situation, the mommies still try to have a sane, responsible male around to help in nurturing the child.

hell you can google studies on the topic. Its foolish to suggest that the lack of fathers isn't and doesn't have a profound influence on girls and boys for that matter.

Rhondab said:

I've found that traditionally, women who learn about men from other women (and likewise men who learn about women from other men) tend to end up with all the wrong answers.

guitarslinger44 said:

I never listen to women tell me what a man thinks and feels...that's just stupid and women are sooooo quick to tell a man they have no idea what it takes to be a woman.

We are equal and yet different creatures due to many factors (genes, gender roles, cultures, etc).

Damn! I don't know one song this dude sings and I am set to go see him with my sister next month because she doesn't want to go alone and now I don't know whether to be excited or scared

JackieBlue said:

Oh yes, I hate that song too

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I like some of his music, but I do find it to be low key, quiet music. His lyrics are nice and he plays a mean guitar, but I think he could spice up the sound a bit.

guitarslinger44 said:

Wrong answer. Try again

Empress said:

My sister told me he played guitar and I was shocked because I thought for sure he was a piano guy Hell, maybe I'll get pulled backstage

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Get back to us on what you think of him after you've see him live.

Empress said:

For sure!

I like this song, but it's the most marble-mouthed of all his marble-mouthed vocals.

CalhounSq said:

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Thank God someone is in touch with reality. He is a single man with loads of youngs girls chasing him. Have none of you heard about groupies.

Janfriend said:

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Janfriend. Stop embarassing yourself. Your reading too much into the song and if you do your reserch you will find plenty of proof that girls who do not have their fathers in their lives (or a father figure) have issues.

In addition, a lot of relationships are screwed up because of Daddy and Mommy issues.

I was taking a shower this morning, and thinking about the lyrics. The only lyrics that really, really bother me are the ones in bold:

I know a girl
She puts the color inside of my world
But she's just like a maze
Where all of the walls all continually change
And I've done all I can
To stand on her steps with my heart in my hands
Now I'm starting to see
Maybe it's got nothing to do with me

Fathers, be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers, be good to your daughters too

Oh, you see that skin?
It's the same she's been standing in
Since the day she saw him walking away
Now she's left
Cleaning up the mess he made

So fathers, be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers, be good to your daughters too

Boys, you can break
You'll find out how much they can take
Boys will be strong
And boys soldier on
But boys would be gone without the warmth from
A womans good, good heart

On behalf of every man
Looking out for every girl
You are the god and the weight of her world

So fathers, be good to your daughters
Daughters will love like you do
Girls become lovers who turn into mothers
So mothers, be good to your daughters too [x3]

Say what?!!!! Nowadays, I've noticed many more "boys" who have their heads so far up their asses, they don't know what path to take in their future. They're FAR from strong these days. These lines are false.

gemini13 said:

father issues.....


The keyword is "can". Just because you can raise boys to be strong, doesn't mean they all are raised to be strong.


Also note the lyrics right after the bold part.

But boys would be gone without the warmth from
A womans good, good heart

Interesting how he turns whatever latent sexism may exist in the song on its head by stating how key a good woman can be in helping those boys/men to be strong.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

ROFLMFAO!!

Don't be scared Supa He actually has some songs I love - everything from the Continuum album is great. I can't speak for his work prior to that album but the Daughters song is nice... Unless Jan storms the stage & beats him over the head once he starts singing

gemini13 said:

There are a lot of women out there who are the same way. Boys are told "You've gotta be tough, don't cry, be a man," etc. And we do. Men hold their feelings in because we're told we're not supposed to be emotional. We buck up and do it often ignoring the little voice inside that questions the reasons WHY we're doing whatever. THAT'S what those lines are about.

Men are demoralized in this society the way women are objectified. Don't think so? HOw often are young girls told to "marry a man who has some money and will take care of you,"? The reason a lot of men leave their wives is because they get tired of supporting some ingrateful woman who only gives them shit when they get home, or tells them they aren't good enough because they don't do X or Y. There are as many fucked up women out there as there are fucked up men.

The way I take this part is that so many men are raised to distance themselves from their feelings - that's changing but it's been a tradition. It's not uncommon for a man to mask his pain (whether he's conscious of that pain or not) & robot through relationship after relationship without really accessing (or letting anyone have access to) some core issues. I see the "being strong" & "soldier on" parts as his armor to get him through - it doesn't mean he's perfect underneath it all, he's just doing what he knows to keep going.

Honestly, if the song was written about how to treat our sons it would make just as much sense. I really don't see what the problem is

Wow, all this over that song?

Would someone break this one down for me?

Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
Don't let 'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks
Make 'em be doctors and lawyers and such
Mama don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys
They'll never stay home and they're always alone
Even with someone they love

Cowboys ain't easy to love and they're harder to hold
And they'd rather give you a song then diamonds or gold
Lonestar belt buckles and old faded Levi's each night begins a new day
And if you don't understand him and he don't die young
He'll probly just ride away

CHORUS

Cowboys like smokey old pool rooms and clear mountian moringin's
Little warm puppies and children and girls of the night
And them that don't know him won't like him
And them that do sometimes won't know how to take him
He ain't wrong he's just different
But his pride won't let him do things to make you think he's right

CHORUS


I thought I knew what it meant.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

I for one had an alcoholic for a father, what it did for me was make me stronger, and I made an excellent choice in a husband. I wanted a man farthest in character then the father I had.

CalhounSq said:

enuff said

CalhounSq said:

Well we have $300 tickets so I'm assuming we will be up in his crotch all night

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Supa, go listen see if you like him or his songs for yourself based on your own likes and dislikes.

statuesqque said:

I'm just gonna wait to see him live. Live is almost never a let down no matter who they are. I'll go from there. My sister loves him and I have never even heard one of his songs Maybe I have and I just don't know it's him

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I don't know I've heard some people live and it was a let down, but I've watched his recorded live concert and I thought it was really good. Have a good time whether you find you like his music or not.

statuesqque said:

Oh I'm going to have a blast regardless! I will be with my sister who I adore and the last time we went to a concert together was for Prince 10 years ago! Bout time we hit another concert together

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

surely you've heard "Waiting On The World To Change" and "Your Boy Is A Wonderland"

CalhounSq said:

Yeah, I've used that before with people I'm sure you believe that is basically calling someone dellusional and they don't know they are. Also if someone is saying truthfully from their heart and soul, accept it. Your personal beliefs should be left out of it





To everyone else, let's back up to the beginning. I said I hated the song. I said that it was condescending to me I explained parts of the song I didn't like. Some people understood my point. Then some of you people come on here and instead of noting that opinion and moving on, whether you agree with it or not, you decide to actually try to discount mine by basically telling me I am flat out wrong. It's an opinion. It doesn't have to be the same as yours. We're not drinking the kool-aid here. That's really where the anger is coming from. Move on. I didn't write it and neither did any of you so really your opinions are not any more valid than mine, so get off you high horse
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