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PrintableHereToRockYourWorld said: Janfriend said: It comes across, to me, that he is saying we are from another planet and need to be treated like delicate babies or else we're going to make another man's life a living hell because, of course, he doesn't have any issues. I don't like the message that every woman becomes a mother. That expectation should never be put on a woman's shoulders without her wanting it. He also comes across as if to say men are the most important thing to a woman's mental health: You are the god and the weight of her world. Shut the fuck up. Then he says Boys will be strong And boys soldier on Women aren't strong? Get the fuck out of my face with that. He hides his hate of women in a nice melody. I'm not fallin' for it. Yeah, the "you are the god and the weight of her world" line always struck me too. I sometimes hear it and wonder, because in some ways the song seems out of character for him, and because he is a very intelligent smartass, if he meant it as sort of tongue-in-cheek. Like, the girl he was with was blaming the ills of the world on her father, and he sort of got sick of the power she was giving him and wrote this sort of pissy satirical song. Which may be a stretch, but in the context of the rest of what I've heard from him (which is pretty much everything; I'm a big fan), I do wonder. That's an interesting take on it. I don't know his music like that, but that song turned me off on ever giving him a chance | |
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wow, I'm amazed at the turn this thread has taken.  | |
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It has turned into a "I hate John Mayer" thread | |
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PaisleyPark5083 said: It has turned into a "I hate John Mayer" thread
yes, it has and over a song  | |
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statuesqque said: PaisleyPark5083 said: It has turned into a "I hate John Mayer" thread
yes, it has and over a song Well, he's a musician. If people are going to hate him, a song seems like the best possible reason.  oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: statuesqque said: yes, it has and over a song Well, he's a musician. If people are going to hate him, a song seems like the best possible reason.  | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: Janfriend said: It comes across, to me, that he is saying we are from another planet and need to be treated like delicate babies or else we're going to make another man's life a living hell because, of course, he doesn't have any issues. I don't like the message that every woman becomes a mother. That expectation should never be put on a woman's shoulders without her wanting it. He also comes across as if to say men are the most important thing to a woman's mental health: You are the god and the weight of her world. Shut the fuck up. Then he says Boys will be strong And boys soldier on Women aren't strong? Get the fuck out of my face with that. He hides his hate of women in a nice melody. I'm not fallin' for it. Yeah, the "you are the god and the weight of her world" line always struck me too. I sometimes hear it and wonder, because in some ways the song seems out of character for him, and because he is a very intelligent smartass, if he meant it as sort of tongue-in-cheek. Like, the girl he was with was blaming the ills of the world on her father, and he sort of got sick of the power she was giving him and wrote this sort of pissy satirical song. Which may be a stretch, but in the context of the rest of what I've heard from him (which is pretty much everything; I'm a big fan), I do wonder. Well hell, a woman could write the same type of song about a man & the shit would ring true in a lot of ways too 
The line about girls becoming mothers isn't necessarily saying ALL women should have babies - I think you're reading a whole lot into that, Jan But if anyone is going to become a mother, it will be a girl/woman - it's a biological reality, not a threat 
I dunno, I think for some girls who ARE "daddy's little girls" it's not offensive or condescending. I was one & I remember my dad being EVERYTHING to me when I was little (he does seem to be talking about when a girl is YOUNG & being nurtured, which informs the woman she'll become). Whether or not that notion is healthy is anyone's guess/opinion, but hell - most little girls love the shit outta their dad's. I can't explain it, I just know it to be true...    I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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live4lust said: HereToRockYourWorld said: Well, he's a musician. If people are going to hate him, a song seems like the best possible reason. him or the song(s)? my take on the song is when it comes to women/daughters their father is the most important man in their lives. He's their hero, their knight and shining armor and so on, that's the first relationship they have and learn from as to how they're suppose to be treated by a man, so the song and the words make sense to me. If daddy doesn't do right his little girl it usually has lasting affects. | |
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statuesqque said: live4lust said: him or the song(s)? my take on the song is when it comes to women/daughters their father is the most important man in their lives. He's their hero, their knight and shining armor and so on, that's the first relationship they have and learn from as to how they're suppose to be treated by a man, so the song and the words make sense to me. If daddy doesn't do right his little girl it usually has lasting affects. Oh, it makes sense to me--I just think it's an awful song. | |
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live4lust said: statuesqque said: him or the song(s)? my take on the song is when it comes to women/daughters their father is the most important man in their lives. He's their hero, their knight and shining armor and so on, that's the first relationship they have and learn from as to how they're suppose to be treated by a man, so the song and the words make sense to me. If daddy doesn't do right his little girl it usually has lasting affects. Oh, it makes sense to me--I just think it's an awful song. For the record, I don't think he's nuts about it either. He didn't think it should be released as a single. I get the impression that he's glad it was, because it was received well, but it wasn't his idea. It's not his best work. oh noes, prince is gonna soo me!!1! | |
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HereToRockYourWorld said: live4lust said: Oh, it makes sense to me--I just think it's an awful song. For the record, I don't think he's nuts about it either. He didn't think it should be released as a single. I get the impression that he's glad it was, because it was received well, but it wasn't his idea. It's not his best work. No it isn't, but it reaches a huge audience so I can see how people fell for it. I love the shit outta Continuum but I don't listen to any of this other stuff I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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Janfriend said: HereToRockYourWorld said: I get that read on it too. Especially when you realize by listening to his live lyrics that what he really meant was "now I'M left cleaning up the mess he made", not "SHE'S left. . .". But I'd like to agree that "Slow Dancing in a Burning Room" is fucking fantastic. And if a scout hauled my ass backstage, I'd be fine with that. It comes across, to me, that he is saying we are from another planet and need to be treated like delicate babies or else we're going to make another man's life a living hell because, of course, he doesn't have any issues. I don't like the message that every woman becomes a mother. That expectation should never be put on a woman's shoulders without her wanting it. He also comes across as if to say men are the most important thing to a woman's mental health: You are the god and the weight of her world. Shut the fuck up. Then he says Boys will be strong And boys soldier on Women aren't strong? Get the fuck out of my face with that. He hides his hate of women in a nice melody. I'm not fallin' for it. Holy shit! I actually agree with you!!!  | |
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And just to add to this thread, I think "Your Body is a Wonderland" is just fucking creepy to listen to. | |
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Regardless of the lyrics, putting that aside. I love John's voice in this song, and I admire his acoustic guitar playing..they still give me goose bumps.
and yes "your body is wonderland" is just plain wrong. | |
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Okay why? what's wrong with that song or the lyrics? I’ve heard P say worst in his songs about sexing up somebody, so I don't get it. | |
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statuesqque said: Okay why? what's wrong with that song or the lyrics? I’ve heard P say worst in his songs about sexing up somebody, so I don't get it.
There's a certain Richard Marx quality to his music that I find grotesque. | |
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statuesqque said: Okay why? what's wrong with that song or the lyrics? I’ve heard P say worst in his songs about sexing up somebody, so I don't get it.
Well, first of all, it's supposedly written about Jennifer Love Hewitt, and I hate that bitch. | |
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As a woman without a father, this song makes me cry everytime I hear it. I'd like to be able to say growing up without a dad had no impact on me and that I'm perfectly fine with it, but that would be a big-ass lie. I love my mom, and she did a great job raising me, but I still felt like I had suffered some sort of loss. This has been the root of some issues in my life, and has even spilled over into my romantic relationship. So, I do agree with Mayer that the relationship between father and daughter (or lack thereof) can have an impact on her relationships with other men.
I cry when I hear this song, because I still wish that I could have had that father-daughter relationship in my life. Would someone like to adopt me? Wanna hear me sing? www.ChampagneHoneybee.com | |
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UCantHavaDaMango said: As a woman without a father, this song makes me cry everytime I hear it. I'd like to be able to say growing up without a dad had no impact on me and that I'm perfectly fine with it, but that would be a big-ass lie. I love my mom, and she did a great job raising me, but I still felt like I had suffered some sort of loss. This has been the root of some issues in my life, and has even spilled over into my romantic relationship. So, I do agree with Mayer that the relationship between father and daughter (or lack thereof) can have an impact on her relationships with other men.
I cry when I hear this song, because I still wish that I could have had that father-daughter relationship in my life. Would someone like to adopt me? Jan is gonna kick your ass I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: UCantHavaDaMango said: As a woman without a father, this song makes me cry everytime I hear it. I'd like to be able to say growing up without a dad had no impact on me and that I'm perfectly fine with it, but that would be a big-ass lie. I love my mom, and she did a great job raising me, but I still felt like I had suffered some sort of loss. This has been the root of some issues in my life, and has even spilled over into my romantic relationship. So, I do agree with Mayer that the relationship between father and daughter (or lack thereof) can have an impact on her relationships with other men.
I cry when I hear this song, because I still wish that I could have had that father-daughter relationship in my life. Would someone like to adopt me? Jan is gonna kick your ass That's ok. It won't take long. I'll take it like a wimp. Wanna hear me sing? www.ChampagneHoneybee.com | |
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gemini13 said: statuesqque said: Okay why? what's wrong with that song or the lyrics? I’ve heard P say worst in his songs about sexing up somebody, so I don't get it.
Well, first of all, it's supposedly written about Jennifer Love Hewitt, and I hate that bitch. okay, now I get it. I don't hate her, she's just to damn chippy for me. | |
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statuesqque said: live4lust said: him or the song(s)? my take on the song is when it comes to women/daughters their father is the most important man in their lives. He's their hero, their knight and shining armor and so on, that's the first relationship they have and learn from as to how they're suppose to be treated by a man, so the song and the words make sense to me. If daddy doesn't do right his little girl it usually has lasting affects. Well then let all the women get together and leave their daughters with their fathers to raise | |
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gemini13 said: Janfriend said: It comes across, to me, that he is saying we are from another planet and need to be treated like delicate babies or else we're going to make another man's life a living hell because, of course, he doesn't have any issues. I don't like the message that every woman becomes a mother. That expectation should never be put on a woman's shoulders without her wanting it. He also comes across as if to say men are the most important thing to a woman's mental health: You are the god and the weight of her world. Shut the fuck up. Then he says Boys will be strong And boys soldier on Women aren't strong? Get the fuck out of my face with that. He hides his hate of women in a nice melody. I'm not fallin' for it. Holy shit! I actually agree with you!!! Oh Shit!!! | |
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UCantHavaDaMango said: As a woman without a father, this song makes me cry everytime I hear it. I'd like to be able to say growing up without a dad had no impact on me and that I'm perfectly fine with it, but that would be a big-ass lie. I love my mom, and she did a great job raising me, but I still felt like I had suffered some sort of loss. This has been the root of some issues in my life, and has even spilled over into my romantic relationship. So, I do agree with Mayer that the relationship between father and daughter (or lack thereof) can have an impact on her relationships with other men.
I cry when I hear this song, because I still wish that I could have had that father-daughter relationship in my life. Would someone like to adopt me? Unless John is a licensed therapist with the power to insert words in his songs that trigger your subconscious to filter out your daddy issues, I would say seek professional help My father wasn't in my life, but it did not effect me in a negative way. I didn't miss what I didn't have. Still don't. I don't fall for the okie doke. I don't look for "daddy" in my relationships, I don't have trust issues, I'm not a jealous person. I don't have statistics or anything like that, but I have seen more mothers fuck up their daughters than fathers. But really, John is saying where emotional freaks and he needs a reason for his assumption on why he, a man, was in a bad relationship: It was her fucked up daddy that fucked her up and inturn fucked up our relationship. She couldn't have possibly left me because I was fucked up, so I'm going to make a PSA to all the perfect men out there and tell them "Stop fucking up your daughters because then I will have to deal with that shit when I want to fuck them and leave without consequence." | |
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Janfriend said: Unless John is a licensed therapist with the power to insert words in his songs that trigger your subconscious to filter out your daddy issues, I would say seek professional help My father wasn't in my life, but it did not effect me in a negative way. I didn't miss what I didn't have. Still don't. I don't fall for the okie doke. I don't look for "daddy" in my relationships, I don't have trust issues, I'm not a jealous person. I don't have statistics or anything like that, but I have seen more mothers fuck up their daughters than fathers. But really, John is saying where emotional freaks and he needs a reason for his assumption on why he, a man, was in a bad relationship: It was her fucked up daddy that fucked her up and inturn fucked up our relationship. She couldn't have possibly left me because I was fucked up, so I'm going to make a PSA to all the perfect men out there and tell them "Stop fucking up your daughters because then I will have to deal with that shit when I want to fuck them and leave without consequence." CalhounSq was right!
If growing up without a dad didn't affect you, that's great. You are a very strong person. For most of my life, I was fine with not having a father. (I was adopted by a single mother, and I don't know my birth parents either) When I was 15, I began longing for a father figure. It was so out of the blue, and very difficult for me. I'm a grown woman now, and my outlook on the situation is much better than it was when I was a teenager. I don't think about my "fatherlessness" every day, or even every week. However, when I hear John's song, along with a few others (like Stevie Wonder's "Isn't She Lovely") it reminds me of the power of father-daughter relationships. Sure, his song doesn't apply to all women in our situation, but some can definitely relate to it. (I do agree that mother's can do serious damage to their kids, because I've seen it happen more times than I'd like to mention.) Wanna hear me sing? www.ChampagneHoneybee.com | |
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PaisleyPark5083 said: PaisleyPark5083 said: John Mayers song,Daughters
I love this song sooo much it gives me goose bumps! I rarely feel this way about any non-Prince songs.. http://www.youtube.com/wa...38Ne96R3iE [Edited 5/7/07 11:14am] Come on, someone besides me must like this song?? admit it... it's a beautiful song "we make our heroes in America only to destroy them" | |
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Great song  | |
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Janfriend said: UCantHavaDaMango said: As a woman without a father, this song makes me cry everytime I hear it. I'd like to be able to say growing up without a dad had no impact on me and that I'm perfectly fine with it, but that would be a big-ass lie. I love my mom, and she did a great job raising me, but I still felt like I had suffered some sort of loss. This has been the root of some issues in my life, and has even spilled over into my romantic relationship. So, I do agree with Mayer that the relationship between father and daughter (or lack thereof) can have an impact on her relationships with other men.
I cry when I hear this song, because I still wish that I could have had that father-daughter relationship in my life. Would someone like to adopt me? Unless John is a licensed therapist with the power to insert words in his songs that trigger your subconscious to filter out your daddy issues, I would say seek professional help My father wasn't in my life, but it did not effect me in a negative way. I didn't miss what I didn't have. Still don't. I don't fall for the okie doke. I don't look for "daddy" in my relationships, I don't have trust issues, I'm not a jealous person. I don't have statistics or anything like that, but I have seen more mothers fuck up their daughters than fathers. But really, John is saying where emotional freaks and he needs a reason for his assumption on why he, a man, was in a bad relationship: It was her fucked up daddy that fucked her up and inturn fucked up our relationship. She couldn't have possibly left me because I was fucked up, so I'm going to make a PSA to all the perfect men out there and tell them "Stop fucking up your daughters because then I will have to deal with that shit when I want to fuck them and leave without consequence." So had this song been written by a woman, would you still have a problem with it? Would she be in need of therapy for writing it? I guess I'm just curious under what circumstances the song could be written/sung & be okay. B/c you just seem angry about it overall, but especially b/c it's coming from a man... 
And if you don't mind sharing, what affect did your father's absence have on you? You say it's not negative, but what is it? Just curious... I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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