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i know this is bad... but i just can't wait until she falls... and she gets her ego crushed..
I feel like if she keeps making the type of low-quality music that she is making.. she will fade away |
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sosgemini said: didn't somebody post on that other thread how the album wouldn't get pulled?
egg meet face.  3 weeks after its release? Its already made its money. Most labels rely on first week sales numbers to guage the success of a release. They campaigned HARD with all of those videos bombarding the channels. I don't know what the numbers are but I'm sure they hit somewhere along what they were expecting. B-Day sold a lot of copies on its own. Deluxe editions of CDs are just made to squeeze those extra $$$ out of the market if there's an opportunity. I'm pretty surprised it got pulled. I'm kinda glad, too. It shows that there's one or two slight ounces of justice left in our judicial system. It still doesn't change the fact that big business runs this country. A lot of you slam the artist but you're wrong for that. Business matters almost never involve the artist unless its artists like Prince who want control in every aspect of their careers. Most artists don't have time to play lawyer and Beyoncé is probably one of if not the biggest female US celeb on the charts right now. She doesn't have time to play lawyer or even qustion the decisions being made for her. "She" didn't pull her CD, the company did. Why do people absolve labels of all the blame and put it all on the celebrities? Is the general public actually that ignorant? | |
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Well its always been this way. We suppose that because artists make millions that they call the shots. None of them do, sure some have more power than others but unless you are selling your stuff off your website you have no control of the decisions being made. Take someone like Mariah Carey, biggest star of the 90's, biggest selling female artist of all time, was about a "penstroke" away from being dropped by defjam after her Charmbracelet record, and now she is their "golden goose" but still she doesnt call the shots, the people in the board rooms do. And dont think someone like Jay Z is totally in charge either, he may run things, but he still has a board of directors that could easily turn the tables on him. Money dictates all decisions, look at this "all of a sudden" war going on in Hip Hop lyrics and things like that, the only reason this an issue is not because industry wants to clean up, theyre worried that sponsors will drop them and the artists, all it will take is a few sponsors dropping out of the labels and media outlets, and you will see Rappers like 50 cent and Nelly and whoever else gone quicker than the disappearance of Star Jones. Dont be fooled, when you sign with a label "You work for them" whether your Beyonce,Prince or Van Hunt, it doesnt really matter to them. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Well its always been this way. We suppose that because artists make millions that they call the shots. None of them do, sure some have more power than others but unless you are selling your stuff off your website you have no control of the decisions being made. Take someone like Mariah Carey, biggest star of the 90's, biggest selling female artist of all time, was about a "penstroke" away from being dropped by defjam after her Charmbracelet record, and now she is their "golden goose" but still she doesnt call the shots, the people in the board rooms do. And dont think someone like Jay Z is totally in charge either, he may run things, but he still has a board of directors that could easily turn the tables on him. Money dictates all decisions, look at this "all of a sudden" war going on in Hip Hop lyrics and things like that, the only reason this an issue is not because industry wants to clean up, theyre worried that sponsors will drop them and the artists, all it will take is a few sponsors dropping out of the labels and media outlets, and you will see Rappers like 50 cent and Nelly and whoever else gone quicker than the disappearance of Star Jones. Dont be fooled, when you sign with a label "You work for them" whether your Beyonce,Prince or Van Hunt, it doesnt really matter to them.
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See when I had a publishing deal with EMI, I would work with just about anybody and I was very relaxed about having my songs placed on artist's albums. But now this is many moons later and I am definitely in a " I wish a bitch would" mode. I don't blame Desree for her actions. Beyonce hasn't written any good songs but she always wants to take credit for shit she know she didn't write. That's why I was glad when Neyo let everyone know Irreplaceable was a song he wrote. People need to realize its the songwriters baby before it is someone else's hit. Give credit and respect where it is due.
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adorable2 said: See when I had a publishing deal with EMI, I would work with just about anybody and I was very relaxed about having my songs placed on artist's albums. But now this is many moons later and I am definitely in a " I wish a bitch would" mode. I don't blame Desree for her actions. Beyonce hasn't written any good songs but she always wants to take credit for shit she know she didn't write. That's why I was glad when Neyo let everyone know Irreplaceable was a song he wrote. People need to realize its the songwriters baby before it is someone else's hit. Give credit and respect where it is due.
[Edited 4/26/07 10:48am] [Edited 4/26/07 10:49am] Many artists dont even know who wrote the songs on their albums. Depending on the artist, but usually when you see a songwriter credit and it has a few people listed including the singer, odds are, the singer had almost nothing to do with the song being written. Recently i heard an interview with Rihanna, who is doing her third record and she made an issue about getting the top songwriters, but i can guarantee you she has no clue what the hell she is singing, i heard a rumour that she didnt even know her SOS song was a remake. Which is another issue, i think when using a sample then the original writer needs to be listed as the only writer, since you arent really creating the song, it was already there. And thats really what this Des'ree issue is kind of about, its Beyonce or her team taking a song and spinning it into HER SONG. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: adorable2 said: See when I had a publishing deal with EMI, I would work with just about anybody and I was very relaxed about having my songs placed on artist's albums. But now this is many moons later and I am definitely in a " I wish a bitch would" mode. I don't blame Desree for her actions. Beyonce hasn't written any good songs but she always wants to take credit for shit she know she didn't write. That's why I was glad when Neyo let everyone know Irreplaceable was a song he wrote. People need to realize its the songwriters baby before it is someone else's hit. Give credit and respect where it is due.
[Edited 4/26/07 10:48am] [Edited 4/26/07 10:49am] Many artists dont even know who wrote the songs on their albums. Depending on the artist, but usually when you see a songwriter credit and it has a few people listed including the singer, odds are, the singer had almost nothing to do with the song being written. Recently i heard an interview with Rihanna, who is doing her third record and she made an issue about getting the top songwriters, but i can guarantee you she has no clue what the hell she is singing, i heard a rumour that she didnt even know her SOS song was a remake. Which is another issue, i think when using a sample then the original writer needs to be listed as the only writer, since you arent really creating the song, it was already there. And thats really what this Des'ree issue is kind of about, its Beyonce or her team taking a song and spinning it into HER SONG. [Edited 4/26/07 11:21am] | |
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adorable2 said: lastdecember said: Many artists dont even know who wrote the songs on their albums. Depending on the artist, but usually when you see a songwriter credit and it has a few people listed including the singer, odds are, the singer had almost nothing to do with the song being written. Recently i heard an interview with Rihanna, who is doing her third record and she made an issue about getting the top songwriters, but i can guarantee you she has no clue what the hell she is singing, i heard a rumour that she didnt even know her SOS song was a remake. Which is another issue, i think when using a sample then the original writer needs to be listed as the only writer, since you arent really creating the song, it was already there. And thats really what this Des'ree issue is kind of about, its Beyonce or her team taking a song and spinning it into HER SONG. thats why not only do i have publishing but i make sure all my songs are also COPYWRITTEN. I will not allow an artist and his/her camp to take my songs and add or remove anything because of the reason u mentioned above. Too often an artist sings a song that is not copywritten and because they change a line here or there they think it makes it their song. Like I said before i used to be really flexible when i was younger but now that i have to feed my children, I don't play any games with my catalog. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: sosgemini said: didn't somebody post on that other thread how the album wouldn't get pulled?
egg meet face. 3 weeks after its release? Its already made its money. Most labels rely on first week sales numbers to guage the success of a release. They campaigned HARD with all of those videos bombarding the channels. I don't know what the numbers are but I'm sure they hit somewhere along what they were expecting. B-Day sold a lot of copies on its own. Deluxe editions of CDs are just made to squeeze those extra $$$ out of the market if there's an opportunity. I'm pretty surprised it got pulled. I'm kinda glad, too. It shows that there's one or two slight ounces of justice left in our judicial system. It still doesn't change the fact that big business runs this country. A lot of you slam the artist but you're wrong for that. Business matters almost never involve the artist unless its artists like Prince who want control in every aspect of their careers. Most artists don't have time to play lawyer and Beyoncé is probably one of if not the biggest female US celeb on the charts right now. She doesn't have time to play lawyer or even qustion the decisions being made for her. "She" didn't pull her CD, the company did. Why do people absolve labels of all the blame and put it all on the celebrities? Is the general public actually that ignorant? all i know is when big business was running Prince's career, he actually put out music. and good music at that. and he didn't sue his own fanbase. and about a million other less relevant things. bring back the middle man! | |
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lastdecember said: Many artists dont even know who wrote the songs on their albums. Depending on the artist, but usually when you see a songwriter credit and it has a few people listed including the singer, odds are, the singer had almost nothing to do with the song being written. Recently i heard an interview with Rihanna, who is doing her third record and she made an issue about getting the top songwriters, but i can guarantee you she has no clue what the hell she is singing, i heard a rumour that she didnt even know her SOS song was a remake. Which is another issue, i think when using a sample then the original writer needs to be listed as the only writer, since you arent really creating the song, it was already there. And thats really what this Des'ree issue is kind of about, its Beyonce or her team taking a song and spinning it into HER SONG. When using a sample, the original artist can only be listed as the only writer if the sample is the only thing original in the song. Lyricists need to be credited, too. If there are different lyrics, a different vocal arrangement and different musical parts, all of those people want and deserve credit. You can't just ignore their contributions in favor of the original artist who wrote the sample. Very few songs these days contain JUST a sample. Those days are over after all of the late 90s-early 2K lawsuits. I propose a new concept: How about people just write their own songs?  I know its radical but it just might work. | |
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Did a little checking. I suppose whatever stock they have at major outlets are going to stay there. Target - have them in stock 15.99 not removing them
Best Buy - in stock - have them for 14.99 and not removing them Wal-Mart - has the EXCLUSIVE version with the DVD of all of the videos included. They are the only ones that carry the version with the DVD. Price? $9.72 online. That is a good price for a CD/DVD combination for ANY artist - even Beyoncé's B-Day. I still wouldn't pay for it ( ) but I have to admit, that's cheap. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: lastdecember said: Many artists dont even know who wrote the songs on their albums. Depending on the artist, but usually when you see a songwriter credit and it has a few people listed including the singer, odds are, the singer had almost nothing to do with the song being written. Recently i heard an interview with Rihanna, who is doing her third record and she made an issue about getting the top songwriters, but i can guarantee you she has no clue what the hell she is singing, i heard a rumour that she didnt even know her SOS song was a remake. Which is another issue, i think when using a sample then the original writer needs to be listed as the only writer, since you arent really creating the song, it was already there. And thats really what this Des'ree issue is kind of about, its Beyonce or her team taking a song and spinning it into HER SONG. When using a sample, the original artist can only be listed as the only writer if the sample is the only thing original in the song. Lyricists need to be credited, too. If there are different lyrics, a different vocal arrangement and different musical parts, all of those people want and deserve credit. You can't just ignore their contributions in favor of the original artist who wrote the sample. Very few songs these days contain JUST a sample. Those days are over after all of the late 90s-early 2K lawsuits. I propose a new concept: How about people just write their own songs? I know its radical but it just might work. I still think its a very thin line, take a song like SOS which is based totally around Soft Cells track, even though the words are different, the hook, the rythym are already there. Its kind of like buliding a house, many artists today are just putting in the windows, to an already based foundation and taking the credit for it as if they are sole creators,. I have never been an advocate of any form of sampling, it justs always seems to undermine the source. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: BlaqueKnight said: When using a sample, the original artist can only be listed as the only writer if the sample is the only thing original in the song. Lyricists need to be credited, too. If there are different lyrics, a different vocal arrangement and different musical parts, all of those people want and deserve credit. You can't just ignore their contributions in favor of the original artist who wrote the sample. Very few songs these days contain JUST a sample. Those days are over after all of the late 90s-early 2K lawsuits. I propose a new concept: How about people just write their own songs? I know its radical but it just might work. I still think its a very thin line, take a song like SOS which is based totally around Soft Cells track, even though the words are different, the hook, the rythym are already there. Its kind of like buliding a house, many artists today are just putting in the windows, to an already based foundation and taking the credit for it as if they are sole creators,. I have never been an advocate of any form of sampling, it justs always seems to undermine the source. Well, if you want to get technical, its NOT a sample. Its an interpolation. Its replayed. I agree with you, though. The shit's not cool. | |
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Alright. This is cool. But why hasn't Nelly Furtado's "Loose" been pulled yet.  | |
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Glad I got mine for 12 buxx. | |
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glad I bought the deluxe edition and the dvd already | |
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 Beyoncé | |
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theodore said: Beyoncé
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CHIC0 said: theodore said: Beyoncé | |
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theodore said: CHIC0 said: ¿no eres fan de Beyoncé?i thought she was doing a song with Christina and Mariah?  
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GangstaFam said: Glad I got mine for 12 buxx.
Please don't tell me u did! | |
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CHIC0 said: theodore said: ¿no eres fan de Beyoncé?i thought she was doing a song with Christina and Mariah?  
Beyoncé  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: sosgemini said: didn't somebody post on that other thread how the album wouldn't get pulled?
egg meet face. 3 weeks after its release? Its already made its money. Most labels rely on first week sales numbers to guage the success of a release. They campaigned HARD with all of those videos bombarding the channels. I don't know what the numbers are but I'm sure they hit somewhere along what they were expecting. B-Day sold a lot of copies on its own. Deluxe editions of CDs are just made to squeeze those extra $$$ out of the market if there's an opportunity. I'm pretty surprised it got pulled. I'm kinda glad, too. It shows that there's one or two slight ounces of justice left in our judicial system. It still doesn't change the fact that big business runs this country. A lot of you slam the artist but you're wrong for that. Business matters almost never involve the artist unless its artists like Prince who want control in every aspect of their careers. Most artists don't have time to play lawyer and Beyoncé is probably one of if not the biggest female US celeb on the charts right now. She doesn't have time to play lawyer or even qustion the decisions being made for her. "She" didn't pull her CD, the company did. Why do people absolve labels of all the blame and put it all on the celebrities? Is the general public actually that ignorant? did i say "she"? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: BlaqueKnight said: 3 weeks after its release? Its already made its money. Most labels rely on first week sales numbers to guage the success of a release. They campaigned HARD with all of those videos bombarding the channels. I don't know what the numbers are but I'm sure they hit somewhere along what they were expecting. B-Day sold a lot of copies on its own. Deluxe editions of CDs are just made to squeeze those extra $$$ out of the market if there's an opportunity. I'm pretty surprised it got pulled. I'm kinda glad, too. It shows that there's one or two slight ounces of justice left in our judicial system. It still doesn't change the fact that big business runs this country. A lot of you slam the artist but you're wrong for that. Business matters almost never involve the artist unless its artists like Prince who want control in every aspect of their careers. Most artists don't have time to play lawyer and Beyoncé is probably one of if not the biggest female US celeb on the charts right now. She doesn't have time to play lawyer or even qustion the decisions being made for her. "She" didn't pull her CD, the company did. Why do people absolve labels of all the blame and put it all on the celebrities? Is the general public actually that ignorant? did i say "she"? I said "a lot of you", meaning anyone it applies to. | |
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MikeMatronik said:
Please don't tell me u did! I did. And I love it! | |
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lastdecember said: Im curious if stores will have the old version of the album. The reason im saying this is that when an artist comes out with a Deluxe edition or Re-release the label deletes the old one, and then recalls it from the stores. Back when i at Sam Goody, this always happend within the month of a reissue, example would be, Mariahs "emancipation of Mimi" when the version came out with "Dont forget about us" the label sent an emergency return out to all the stores to pull the original version of the floor and send it back to the label. Im guessing might have happend with BDAY the original version, so Sony might have to send those copies right back.
Actually no, they are still selling the original edition because I see stacks of them in stores all the time... | |
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BlaqueKnight said: sosgemini said: did i say "she"? I said "a lot of you", meaning anyone it applies to. my post had nothing to do with your rant...add that to the inclusive statement and i got all sorta confusticated. Space for sale... | |
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GangstaFam said: MikeMatronik said:
Please don't tell me u did! I did. And I love it!  | |
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MikeMatronik said: Didn't know you were a hater. | |
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