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Cam'ron on 60 minutes - saids he would NOT help the police catch a serial killer

PLATINUM SELLING RAPPER TELLS '60 MINUTES': WOULDN'T HELP POLICE CATCH EVEN A SERIAL KILLER BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT HIS BUSINESS AND VIOLATE HIS 'CODE OF ETHICS'
Thu Apr 19 2007 12:47:1 ET

Rap star Cam'ron says there's no situation -- including a serial killer living next door -- that would cause him to help police in any way, because to do so would hurt his music sales and violate his "code of ethics." Cam'ron, whose real name is Cameron Giles, talks to Anderson Cooper for a report on how the hip-hop culture's message to shun the police has undermined efforts to solve murders across the country. Cooper's report will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, April 22 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

"If I knew the serial killer was living next door to me?" Giles responds to a hypothetical question posed by Cooper. "I wouldn't call and tell anybody on him -- but I'd probably move," says Giles. "But I'm not going to call and be like, 'The serial killer's in 4E.' " ( For an excerpt of Giles' interview, click here

Giles' "code of ethics" also extends to crimes committed against him. After being shot and wounded by gunmen, Giles refused to cooperate with police. Why? "Because...it would definitely hurt my business, and the way I was raised, I just don't do that," says Giles. Pressed by Cooper, who says had he been the victim, he would want his attacker to be caught, Giles explains further: "But then again, you're not going to be on the stage tonight in the middle of, say, Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, with people with gold and platinum teeth and dreadlocks jumping up and down singing your songs, either," says Giles. "We're in two different lines of business."

"So for you, it's really about business?" Cooper asks.

"It's about business," Giles says, "but it's still also a code of ethics."

Rappers appear to be concerned about damaging what's known as their "street credibility," says Geoffrey Canada, an anti-violence advocate and educator from New York City's Harlem neighborhood. "It's one of those things that sells music and no one really quite understands why," says Canada. Their fans look up to artists if they come from the "meanest streets of the urban ghetto," he tells Cooper. For that reason, Canada says, they do not cooperate with the police.

Canada says in the poor New York City neighborhood he grew up in, only the criminals didn't talk to the police, but within today's hip-hop culture, that's changed. "It is now a cultural norm that is being preached in poor communities....It's like you can't be a black person if you have a set of values that say 'I will not watch a crime happen in my community without getting involved to stop it,'" Canada tells Cooper.

Young people from some of New York's toughest neighborhoods echo Canada's assessment, calling the message not to help police "the rules" and helping the police "a crime" in their neighborhoods. These "rules" are contributing to a much lower percentage of arrests in homicide cases -- a statistic known as the "clearance rate" -- in largely poor, minority neighborhoods throughout the country, according to Prof. David Kennedy of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I work in communities where the clearance rate for homicides has gone into the single digits," says Kennedy. The national rate for homicide clearance is 60 percent. "In these neighborhoods, we are on the verge of -- or maybe we have already lost -- the rule of law," he tells Cooper.

Says Canada, "It's like we're saying to the criminals, 'You can have our community....Do anything you want and we will either deal with it ourselves or we'll simply ignore it.' "


http://drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

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Okay, first of all, let me just say that Cam'ron is fucking idiot, an he DOES NOT represent hiphop as a whole nor is he a spokesman for it. And the reason I say this is because its very rare that you see a rapper on a show like 60 Mintues, and people who watch that show and dont know much about hiphop (other than the false representations they see on TV or radio) might see this and assume that all rappers share Cam's opinion on this shit - yes, most rappers are against cooperating with police, but they do have morals. And I do not understand why of all the intelligent hiphop rappers, they would choose Cam'ron be on the show. Cam was also on Bill O Reilly a few years ago (Ill admit he did alright on there, tho).

Now, me, even if I personally chose not to cooperate with the police for whatever reason and I knew that a serial killer lived next door or anywhere, I would kill that muthafucka my damn self. I would murder that son of a bitch and leave no evidence other than the evidence of the murders they committed. But I certainly wouldnt be a big, pussy-ass studio-gangster and move away.

And speaking of Cam'ron this is the same guy who went a files a lawsuit against some individuals when him and his buddy got jumped at the Ruckers years ago. But anyway, in the future, disregard any dumbass comments made my Cam'ron.
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Reply #1 posted 04/19/07 12:19pm

Empress

This kind of shit infuriates me. Doesn't this asshole see that he would be helping the community and not just the police. The don't snitch mentality (or code of ethics as some call it) is lame and ignorant. If people of all races helped to solves crimes, our communities and the world in general would be a much safer place.

People like Cam'ron and all the assholes like him can just f*ck off!
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Reply #2 posted 04/19/07 12:39pm

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keepin' it real. what a bellend.
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Reply #3 posted 04/19/07 12:40pm

funkpill

That's why the hood is the way it is now neutral
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Reply #4 posted 04/19/07 12:48pm

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And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.
"It's not what they call you, it's what you respond to." - Mabel "Madea" Simmons
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Reply #5 posted 04/19/07 1:04pm

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one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.




When you say they who do you mean ??? The Rappers or Blacks as a people,
because I'm a Black Man born and raised in NY and I don't share that belief.
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Reply #6 posted 04/19/07 1:08pm

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Let me rephrase...some blacks, including some rappers. If it doesn't apply to you, then there is nothing to worry about.

banks said:

one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.




When you say they who do you mean ??? The Rappers or Blacks as a people,
because I'm a Black Man born and raised in NY and I don't share that belief.
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Reply #7 posted 04/19/07 1:10pm

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And for the record... Cam has no street cred... He can't give away his music..
plus whenever someone does something and the hood finds out about it (who do you think tell the cops who they are and where to find them ?)
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Reply #8 posted 04/19/07 5:12pm

prettymansson

STRAIGHT GHETTO IGNORANCE !
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Reply #9 posted 04/19/07 5:58pm

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I saw an interview with ICE CUBE recently and even he admitted that the Rap Game now is just full of actors,posers, almost none of them are living the life they rap about, all their cars,jewels and girls are rented and so is their lifestyle. And Cam'Ron is just ignorant, but i thought we knew this already about him.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #10 posted 04/19/07 6:20pm

Harlepolis

lastdecember said:

I saw an interview with ICE CUBE recently and even he admitted that the Rap Game now is just full of actors,posers, almost none of them are living the life they rap about, all their cars,jewels and girls are rented and so is their lifestyle.


Perfect "pot calling the kettle black" case. Cube had been an 'oreo' for a long time, like the ones he talked about in his music, so I don't think he have a room to talk the "holier than thou" talk.

In fact Cube is exactly like Cam, both are modern day jungle bunnies in a modern white owned plantation, who think they got relevance in the black community by "being down"(I.E. ignorant).
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Reply #12 posted 04/19/07 6:51pm

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Harlepolis said:

lastdecember said:

I saw an interview with ICE CUBE recently and even he admitted that the Rap Game now is just full of actors,posers, almost none of them are living the life they rap about, all their cars,jewels and girls are rented and so is their lifestyle.


Perfect "pot calling the kettle black" case. Cube had been an 'oreo' for a long time, like the ones he talked about in his music, so I don't think he have a room to talk the "holier than thou" talk.

In fact Cube is exactly like Cam, both are modern day jungle bunnies in a modern white owned plantation, who think they got relevance in the black community by "being down"(I.E. ignorant).


True but i think he was talking more of the early days of Rap and what it is now.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #13 posted 04/19/07 7:05pm

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one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.


umm your comment so ignorant i have to laugh lol
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Reply #14 posted 04/19/07 7:07pm

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one2three said:

Let me rephrase...some blacks, including some rappers. If it doesn't apply to you, then there is nothing to worry about.

banks said:





When you say they who do you mean ??? The Rappers or Blacks as a people,
because I'm a Black Man born and raised in NY and I don't share that belief.
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YOU SOUND RACIST...
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Reply #15 posted 04/19/07 7:08pm

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one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.

SPEAK FOR YOURSELF...

if someone doesnt respect black people.. its because they are racist... NOT BECAUSE of what camron said... so DON'T try to use this as an excuse...

YOu should respect everyone... don't judge someone based upon race... if they are nice.. then you should have respect for them....
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Reply #16 posted 04/19/07 7:35pm

PurpleCharm

one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.


How arrogant, racist and ignorant of you.

WTH does the actions of a few have to do with the entire race of black people.

Do other races get judged by the actions of a few within their race like black people?

Then why in the hell do black people have to carry the weight of their race on their shoulders.
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Reply #17 posted 04/19/07 7:38pm

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banks said:

And for the record... Cam has no street cred... He can't give away his music..
plus whenever someone does something and the hood finds out about it (who do you think tell the cops who they are and where to find them ?)


serious? I know plenty of people still talking about dip set.
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Reply #18 posted 04/20/07 3:41am

Rhondab

one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.



WTH? eek


Lawdly...shake
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Reply #19 posted 04/20/07 6:32am

2elijah

Rhondab said:

one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.



WTH? eek


Lawdly...shake


I think one2three watches too many episodes of "Cops" apparently....what a dumbass statement. Like African-Americans are sitting around twiddling our fingers waiting for approval from other races so we could get on with our daily lives...please, give me a break lol
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Reply #20 posted 04/20/07 7:15am

Rhondab

2elijah said:

Rhondab said:




WTH? eek


Lawdly...shake


I think one2three watches too many episodes of "Cops" apparently....what a dumbass statement. Like African-Americans are sitting around twiddling our fingers waiting for approval from other races so we could get on with our daily lives...please, give me a break lol



lol

ya know...the days of "yessa massa boss" are over....
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Reply #21 posted 04/20/07 7:46am

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twink69 said:

one2three said:

And they wonder why other races has no respect for black people as a whole.


umm your comment so ignorant i have to laugh lol


How is it ignorant? Please explain.
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Reply #22 posted 04/20/07 7:55am

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Please...do not let the avatar fool you.


These same people, like Cam, shucking and jiving, acting like he is hood and has to "keep his street cred" are the same ones complaining how we as black people don't get any respect and "the man" is holding them down.
"It's not what they call you, it's what you respond to." - Mabel "Madea" Simmons
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Reply #23 posted 04/20/07 8:05am

ThePunisher

Harlepolis said:

lastdecember said:

I saw an interview with ICE CUBE recently and even he admitted that the Rap Game now is just full of actors,posers, almost none of them are living the life they rap about, all their cars,jewels and girls are rented and so is their lifestyle.


Perfect "pot calling the kettle black" case. Cube had been an 'oreo' for a long time, like the ones he talked about in his music, so I don't think he have a room to talk the "holier than thou" talk.

In fact Cube is exactly like Cam, both are modern day jungle bunnies in a modern white owned plantation, who think they got relevance in the black community by "being down"(I.E. ignorant).
Easy E had a name for them. "Video Gangsta's". Man was he ever proven right.
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Reply #24 posted 04/20/07 8:12am

ThePunisher

Prospect said:

PLATINUM SELLING RAPPER TELLS '60 MINUTES': WOULDN'T HELP POLICE CATCH EVEN A SERIAL KILLER BECAUSE IT WOULD HURT HIS BUSINESS AND VIOLATE HIS 'CODE OF ETHICS'
Thu Apr 19 2007 12:47:1 ET

Rap star Cam'ron says there's no situation -- including a serial killer living next door -- that would cause him to help police in any way, because to do so would hurt his music sales and violate his "code of ethics." Cam'ron, whose real name is Cameron Giles, talks to Anderson Cooper for a report on how the hip-hop culture's message to shun the police has undermined efforts to solve murders across the country. Cooper's report will be broadcast on 60 MINUTES Sunday, April 22 (7:00-8:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.

"If I knew the serial killer was living next door to me?" Giles responds to a hypothetical question posed by Cooper. "I wouldn't call and tell anybody on him -- but I'd probably move," says Giles. "But I'm not going to call and be like, 'The serial killer's in 4E.' " ( For an excerpt of Giles' interview, click here

Giles' "code of ethics" also extends to crimes committed against him. After being shot and wounded by gunmen, Giles refused to cooperate with police. Why? "Because...it would definitely hurt my business, and the way I was raised, I just don't do that," says Giles. Pressed by Cooper, who says had he been the victim, he would want his attacker to be caught, Giles explains further: "But then again, you're not going to be on the stage tonight in the middle of, say, Raleigh-Durham, North Carolina, with people with gold and platinum teeth and dreadlocks jumping up and down singing your songs, either," says Giles. "We're in two different lines of business."

"So for you, it's really about business?" Cooper asks.

"It's about business," Giles says, "but it's still also a code of ethics."

Rappers appear to be concerned about damaging what's known as their "street credibility," says Geoffrey Canada, an anti-violence advocate and educator from New York City's Harlem neighborhood. "It's one of those things that sells music and no one really quite understands why," says Canada. Their fans look up to artists if they come from the "meanest streets of the urban ghetto," he tells Cooper. For that reason, Canada says, they do not cooperate with the police.

Canada says in the poor New York City neighborhood he grew up in, only the criminals didn't talk to the police, but within today's hip-hop culture, that's changed. "It is now a cultural norm that is being preached in poor communities....It's like you can't be a black person if you have a set of values that say 'I will not watch a crime happen in my community without getting involved to stop it,'" Canada tells Cooper.

Young people from some of New York's toughest neighborhoods echo Canada's assessment, calling the message not to help police "the rules" and helping the police "a crime" in their neighborhoods. These "rules" are contributing to a much lower percentage of arrests in homicide cases -- a statistic known as the "clearance rate" -- in largely poor, minority neighborhoods throughout the country, according to Prof. David Kennedy of the John Jay College of Criminal Justice. "I work in communities where the clearance rate for homicides has gone into the single digits," says Kennedy. The national rate for homicide clearance is 60 percent. "In these neighborhoods, we are on the verge of -- or maybe we have already lost -- the rule of law," he tells Cooper.

Says Canada, "It's like we're saying to the criminals, 'You can have our community....Do anything you want and we will either deal with it ourselves or we'll simply ignore it.' "


http://drudgereport.com/flash1.htm

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Okay, first of all, let me just say that Cam'ron is fucking idiot, an he DOES NOT represent hiphop as a whole nor is he a spokesman for it. And the reason I say this is because its very rare that you see a rapper on a show like 60 Mintues, and people who watch that show and dont know much about hiphop (other than the false representations they see on TV or radio) might see this and assume that all rappers share Cam's opinion on this shit - yes, most rappers are against cooperating with police, but they do have morals. And I do not understand why of all the intelligent hiphop rappers, they would choose Cam'ron be on the show. Cam was also on Bill O Reilly a few years ago (Ill admit he did alright on there, tho).

Now, me, even if I personally chose not to cooperate with the police for whatever reason and I knew that a serial killer lived next door or anywhere, I would kill that muthafucka my damn self. I would murder that son of a bitch and leave no evidence other than the evidence of the murders they committed. But I certainly wouldnt be a big, pussy-ass studio-gangster and move away.

And speaking of Cam'ron this is the same guy who went a files a lawsuit against some individuals when him and his buddy got jumped at the Ruckers years ago. But anyway, in the future, disregard any dumbass comments made my Cam'ron.
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[Edited 4/19/07 12:23pm]
Cam'ron is a liar. He's just saying that to generate publicity. He must have a cd ready to drop in a few weeks or something. Controversy sells records.
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Reply #25 posted 04/20/07 8:16am

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lilgish said:

banks said:

And for the record... Cam has no street cred... He can't give away his music..
plus whenever someone does something and the hood finds out about it (who do you think tell the cops who they are and where to find them ?)


serious? I know plenty of people still talking about dip set.




yeah... That last cd didn't do well at all... even with the Jay-Z dis single on it... Jim Jones did alright though
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Reply #26 posted 04/20/07 10:38am

Rhondab

one2three said:

Please...do not let the avatar fool you.


These same people, like Cam, shucking and jiving, acting like he is hood and has to "keep his street cred" are the same ones complaining how we as black people don't get any respect and "the man" is holding them down.



So basically Cam represents you as a black person?
He's your voice?
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Reply #27 posted 04/20/07 11:29am

TotalAlisa

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one2three said:

Please...do not let the avatar fool you.


These same people, like Cam, shucking and jiving, acting like he is hood and has to "keep his street cred" are the same ones complaining how we as black people don't get any respect and "the man" is holding them down.

why didn't blacks get respect 200 years ago... why were they made slaves... and even after slavery was over they still did NOT get treated well... it doesnt have to do with what a few bad blacks have said or done... its because someone is racist.....

YOU can't just see one person of a race do something and then not respect their race as a whole... that is what racism is.... and if you are black.. you sound like you have self-hate issues...or you are just plain racist...

only a person with serious issues..who can NOT reason... thinks the way you do...
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Reply #28 posted 04/20/07 11:37am

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In the words of Riley from The Boondocks:

"That's a BITCH MOVE!"
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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Reply #29 posted 04/20/07 12:43pm

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Rhondab said:

one2three said:

Please...do not let the avatar fool you.


These same people, like Cam, shucking and jiving, acting like he is hood and has to "keep his street cred" are the same ones complaining how we as black people don't get any respect and "the man" is holding them down.



So basically Cam represents you as a black person?
He's your voice?


No where in my statement did I say he represented me.
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