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Printablelet's not blame only the media.Michael created the media circus that surrounds him.Beginning in the mid-80s,he played games with the media....having his manager "plant" crazy stories to the press,just to keep his name in the news.As a result,they turned on him.He could have prevented this,if he had behaved like a serious artist and did more interviews,explaining himself.Furthermore,how can the media focus on the music when there is always so much else going on?? The surgeries,the allegations,the two high-profile marriages and divorces,the baby dangling incident,the odd behavior,etc. | |
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SoulAlive said: let's not blame only the media.Michael created the media circus that surrounds him.Beginning in the mid-80s,he played games with the media....having his manager "plant" crazy stories to the press,just to keep his name in the news.As a result,they turned on him.He could have prevented this,if he had behaved like a serious artist and did more interviews,explaining himself.Furthermore,how can the media focus on the music when there is always so much else going on?? The surgeries,the allegations,the two high-profile marriages and divorces,the baby dangling incident,the odd behavior,etc.
That was 20 muthatruckin years ago! How long does he have to pay for his mistakes? He surrounded himself with the wrong people. A PR team that were out to exploit Michael and build his career on controversy and scandal rather than music. He fired the mofos long ago. Long, long ago. It's just fucking cruel and unfair to be still pounding this man after 20 years. Granted there is still alot that is controversial and news-worthy in Michael's life, but it's the extent to which the media pounds him for it. Sure, tell everyone that Michael showed his baby to his fans from a hotel balcony. But don't pound him for years and years for it. Get the fuck over it. Have your fun. For the weeks following the incident, pound the shit out of him if you want. But give it a rest after a year or two. Geez. It's just ridiculous what Michael has to endure. Instead of being a f-head about it. Imagine what he must feel like. I hate to have to say it, but... "before you judge me, try hard to love me". | |
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DarlingDiana said: SoulAlive said: let's not blame only the media.Michael created the media circus that surrounds him.Beginning in the mid-80s,he played games with the media....having his manager "plant" crazy stories to the press,just to keep his name in the news.As a result,they turned on him.He could have prevented this,if he had behaved like a serious artist and did more interviews,explaining himself.Furthermore,how can the media focus on the music when there is always so much else going on?? The surgeries,the allegations,the two high-profile marriages and divorces,the baby dangling incident,the odd behavior,etc.
That was 20 muthatruckin years ago! How long does he have to pay for his mistakes? He surrounded himself with the wrong people. A PR team that were out to exploit Michael and build his career on controversy and scandal rather than music. He fired the mofos long ago. Long, long ago. It's just fucking cruel and unfair to be still pounding this man after 20 years. Granted there is still alot that is controversial and news-worthy in Michael's life, but it's the extent to which the media pounds him for it. Sure, tell everyone that Michael showed his baby to his fans from a hotel balcony. But don't pound him for years and years for it. Get the fuck over it. Have your fun. For the weeks following the incident, pound the shit out of him if you want. But give it a rest after a year or two. Geez. It's just ridiculous what Michael has to endure. Instead of being a f-head about it. Imagine what he must feel like. I hate to have to say it, but... "before you judge me, try hard to love me". Wouldn't it be great if he could release the new CD,go out there and do numerous interviews to promote it,do some kickass live performances and keep the focus on the MUSIC??? I really think that if he he did the Unplugged CD,he wouldn't have as many problems.He would be turning the attention back to his voice. | |
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How about he just continues making the album he's making. Shoot the video for it. Release it in November. And go on world tour next year. Just like he's been planning all along. He's on the right track and I think he is going to be successful if he continues on the path he is taking. | |
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DarlingDiana said: SoulAlive said: let's not blame only the media.Michael created the media circus that surrounds him.Beginning in the mid-80s,he played games with the media....having his manager "plant" crazy stories to the press,just to keep his name in the news.As a result,they turned on him.He could have prevented this,if he had behaved like a serious artist and did more interviews,explaining himself.Furthermore,how can the media focus on the music when there is always so much else going on?? The surgeries,the allegations,the two high-profile marriages and divorces,the baby dangling incident,the odd behavior,etc.
That was 20 muthatruckin years ago! How long does he have to pay for his mistakes? He surrounded himself with the wrong people. A PR team that were out to exploit Michael and build his career on controversy and scandal rather than music. He fired the mofos long ago. Long, long ago. It's just fucking cruel and unfair to be still pounding this man after 20 years. Granted there is still alot that is controversial and news-worthy in Michael's life, but it's the extent to which the media pounds him for it. Sure, tell everyone that Michael showed his baby to his fans from a hotel balcony. But don't pound him for years and years for it. Get the fuck over it. Have your fun. For the weeks following the incident, pound the shit out of him if you want. But give it a rest after a year or two. Geez. It's just ridiculous what Michael has to endure. Instead of being a f-head about it. Imagine what he must feel like. I hate to have to say it, but... "before you judge me, try hard to love me". and people still think of Madge as a slut. once you get a title it's hard to shake You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Why do people believe he can come back ?
he can't sing no more, he cant dance no more and he looks scary.  | |
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krayzie said: Why do people believe he can come back ?
he can't sing no more, he cant dance no more and he looks scary. I believe he can "come back" because he doesn't need to. He can sing. Better now than ever before. He can dance. Maybe not as well because of his age, but he still shits all over anyone else in the field. And he looks great compared to recent years. | |
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DarlingDiana said: Good post Dag. You're a dead right. Michael Jackson is treated like shit by the media. Just because he didn't cave in when they first started attacking him in the late 80s and early 90s. They expected him to crash and burn then, but he's still staying strong and it pisses them off something chronic!
And I definately agree that Michael Jackson is a father first, and then a recording artist. I think the only thing that is keeping him in the studio is his love for music. It's not like he needs the money. He's got his huge Sony/ATV catalogue that would no doubt rake in millions (possibly billions) every year. If he wanted to he could stay at home collecting cheques everytime the Beatles music is played on a commercial and raising his children 24/7. But he just loves music too much to leave it. Anyone else would just collapse under the pressure of the trial and just say "fuck it" and be a stay-at-home parent with a big business. But Michael Jackson is not "anyone else". He's really impressed me the way he has stepped up after the trial. I thought for sure he would just go into break-down mode after the trial. I'm just so thankful he is prepared to share his music with the world once again, after the way the world treated him for all these years (like, as Dag said, shit). [Edited 4/23/07 4:57am] Darling Diana, you are correct.It pisses them(media,music industry pundits, detractors,etc.) that Michael has NOT given up. I can almost guarntee that anyone else who have had a 1/10th of Michael's non-stop negativity would have given up, killed themselves or lost their minds. These same people were so sure that Michael would give up during the trial and run or run before the trial even started. He fooled them all. He withstood all of the lies,manipulations, rumors, innuendo and bullshit from this fake trial. I think that he is a stronger man from what he went through. Sadly, there are people who wanted MJ to run or fall apart. They can't understand that he is still standing. These same people know that Michael is not a child molester. However,this is the only thing that they THOUGHT would destroy him. He will prove them wrong, again. | |
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dag said: SoulAlive said: The problem for MJ is,his music has become secondary.These days,when people talk or think about him,it's not really the music they're focusing on.It would be great if people could let the "music speak for itself",but there always seems to be so many distractions in the way.He is not totally blameless,either.He has created the media circus that surrounds him. As for your assertion that Madonna isn't popular anymore,consider this: "Hung Up" was a Number One single in many countries. Last year,she went on a successful world tour that grossed over $200 million.It is now officially the most successful tour by a female artist.And that was the third tour that she did in this decade! Unlike MJ,she stays focused on her art without all the scandals,distractions and nonsense.She's just making music and performing for her fans.That's really what it's all about.Somewhere along the way,Michael forgot about that. Well, unlike Madonna, Mike has decided to be a full-time dad´and take break from his 35 full-time years in showbusiness. But I must say there is a huge difference between how the media treat MJ and Madonna. The articles that were released when she had her concert in Prague treated her like the perfect Goddess, while Mj is treated like s**t. The last article that I´ve read entitled MJ planning to make a comeback was more about his plastic surgery and alleged "failures" like that he is desperately walking round Vegas clubs asking for some contract and that everybody is turning him down and other stupid stuff like that than just simple news on what he is doing.) skyecute - nice post. Thanks, dag. I agree that the media treats Michael worst than any other celebrity. Every single time that he releases an album, the critics review him instead of his music. I have actually talked to and written critics and asked them why they concentrate on Michael and not his music. This is what happened with Invincible. 99% of the critics reviewed Michael's personal life and that had shit to do with the album. All of their reviews were based on their dislike or opinion of him. They don't do anyone else like that and people have the nerve to wonder why we "over-react". I remember Madonna's fans saying that the media didn't treat her fair in their assesment of American Life. The ironic thing is that Madonna fans are some of Michael's harshest "critics". Strange they can't see why MJ fans get so upset at the double standards that he receives in EVERYTHING. I am tired of the crap when people say that Michael brings it on himself. BUlLSHIT. I have seen the time that Michael intentionally stays of the public's eye for almost a year and when he does make an appearance,people claim that he craves attention. He is not on every talk show, magazine cover,radio station and these people claime that he craves attention. The double standards that this man has to endure would break a weak person. Thank God, he is strong. | |
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skyecute said: Thanks, dag. I agree that the media treats Michael worst than any other celebrity. Every single time that he releases an album, the critics review him instead of his music. I have actually talked to and written critics and asked them why they concentrate on Michael and not his music. This is what happened with Invincible. 99% of the critics reviewed Michael's personal life and that had shit to do with the album. All of their reviews were based on their dislike or opinion of him. They don't do anyone else like that and people have the nerve to wonder why we "over-react". I remember Madonna's fans saying that the media didn't treat her fair in their assesment of American Life. The ironic thing is that Madonna fans are some of Michael's harshest "critics". Strange they can't see why MJ fans get so upset at the double standards that he receives in EVERYTHING. I am tired of the crap when people say that Michael brings it on himself. BUlLSHIT. I have seen the time that Michael intentionally stays of the public's eye for almost a year and when he does make an appearance,people claim that he craves attention. He is not on every talk show, magazine cover,radio station and these people claime that he craves attention. The double standards that this man has to endure would break a weak person. Thank God, he is strong. I'm a Madonna fan myself but a lot of her fans are full of s**t. The biggest hypocrites i've ever come across. People say that MJ fans are oversensitive, but we see the double standards. Take for example the fact that Madonna is working with Timbaland and Justin Timberlake on her new album. The media will say that what she's doing is "innovative" and "one step ahead of everyone else". CAN YOU IMAGINE IF MICHAEL JACKSON EVER WORKED WITH JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE?!!! He would be ripped to shreads!!!!! The press would have a filed day and the whole media and public would go on about how desperate he is for a hit, but because it's Madonna it's seen as something "new and innovative". Give me a f***ing break. I agree with the rest of what you said as well. A weaker person would have long killed themselves or hid in seclusion for the rest of their life. The guy gets more hate than most serial killers. I mean people constantly talk about the change in his physical appearence,allegations, questioning whether those kids are his or not, people saying he's broke all the time,etc. He is constantly being ridiculed for every damn thing. If this had been anyone other than Michael Jackson who had gone through all the things he's gone through-he wouldn't even have any supporters left. Only Michael could still have this many people who still love and support him after all that mess. I honestly can't wait for the new album though. I love MJ and am one of his biggest fans. I hope the new album is great. [Edited 4/23/07 20:25pm] "And When The Groove Is Dead And Gone, You Know That Love Survives, So We Can Rock Forever" RIP MJ 
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I definately agree with that. Michael works with will.i.am and Akon and he is desperate for a hit. But Madonna works with Timbaland and JT and she is a genius. I hope they both do well, but I am more on Michael's side. Just because everyone expects him to fail. I actually think it's going to be a very interesting and exciting album. I listen to songs penned or produced by will.i.am, Akon or Ne-Yo and I just get so excited thinking about what MJ could do with those songs. Take "Let Me Love You" by Mario (written by Ne-Yo). Michael could turn something like that into a classic. I listen to the stuff will.i.am did with Sergio Mendes, like "That Heat" for example. Could you imagine that beat with Michael's musical sensibilities? They could create something like "Remember The Time". Michael's classic/old-school approach to song-writing, blended with a modern hip-hop beat. Just like RTT. And don't forget Teddy Riley (the guy who co-produced that song) is also on the new album. So, the album could very well be a classic. People hear names like will.i.am, Akon and Ne-Yo and shake their heads. But they forget that these guys are working with Michael Jackson. So you aren't going to get songs like "Smack That", "Sexy Love" and "Fergalicious". You are going to get what Michael Jackson would do with those songs. IMO, Michael could make those songs all-time classics. | |
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Cinnamon234 said: skyecute said: Thanks, dag. I agree that the media treats Michael worst than any other celebrity. Every single time that he releases an album, the critics review him instead of his music. I have actually talked to and written critics and asked them why they concentrate on Michael and not his music. This is what happened with Invincible. 99% of the critics reviewed Michael's personal life and that had shit to do with the album. All of their reviews were based on their dislike or opinion of him. They don't do anyone else like that and people have the nerve to wonder why we "over-react". I remember Madonna's fans saying that the media didn't treat her fair in their assesment of American Life. The ironic thing is that Madonna fans are some of Michael's harshest "critics". Strange they can't see why MJ fans get so upset at the double standards that he receives in EVERYTHING. I am tired of the crap when people say that Michael brings it on himself. BUlLSHIT. I have seen the time that Michael intentionally stays of the public's eye for almost a year and when he does make an appearance,people claim that he craves attention. He is not on every talk show, magazine cover,radio station and these people claime that he craves attention. The double standards that this man has to endure would break a weak person. Thank God, he is strong. I'm a Madonna fan myself but a lot of her fans are full of s**t. The biggest hypocrites i've ever come across. People say that MJ fans are oversensitive, but we see the double standards. Take for example the fact that Madonna is working with Timbaland and Justin Timberlake on her new album. The media will say that what she's doing is "innovative" and "one step ahead of everyone else". CAN YOU IMAGINE IF MICHAEL JACKSON EVER WORKED WITH JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE?!!! He would be ripped to shreads!!!!! The press would have a filed day and the whole media and public would go on about how desperate he is for a hit, but because it's Madonna it's seen as something "new and innovative". Give me a f***ing break. The difference is,Madonna doesn't make "commercial" albums everytime.She doesn't always work with trendy,mainstream producers.The last time she did that was in 1994.Her last three albums ('Music','American Life' and 'Confessions On A Dancefloor') didn't exactly cater to American music tastes.There was no Neptunes,no Rodney Jerkins,no Timbaland on those albums at all.Producers like William Orbit,Mirwais,and Stuart Price weren't exactly household names.After all this time,I think she simply wanted to make a big,commercial album that's in sync with the American music scene.It won't sound anything like her last few albums,which is why Madonna gets more respect (as an artist) than MJ.She evolves with each album,tries new things.This upcoming album will be commercial and radio friendly,but in a few years,she may do an underground,non-commercial rock album.That's how she is....always exploring new sounds and styles.I can't say the same about MJ. | |
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SoulAlive said: Cinnamon234 said: I'm a Madonna fan myself but a lot of her fans are full of s**t. The biggest hypocrites i've ever come across. People say that MJ fans are oversensitive, but we see the double standards. Take for example the fact that Madonna is working with Timbaland and Justin Timberlake on her new album. The media will say that what she's doing is "innovative" and "one step ahead of everyone else". CAN YOU IMAGINE IF MICHAEL JACKSON EVER WORKED WITH JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE?!!! He would be ripped to shreads!!!!! The press would have a filed day and the whole media and public would go on about how desperate he is for a hit, but because it's Madonna it's seen as something "new and innovative". Give me a f***ing break. The difference is,Madonna doesn't make "commercial" albums everytime.She doesn't always work with trendy,mainstream producers.The last time she did that was in 1994.Her last three albums ('Music','American Life' and 'Confessions On A Dancefloor') didn't exactly cater to American music tastes.There was no Neptunes,no Rodney Jerkins,no Timbaland on those albums at all.Producers like William Orbit,Mirwais,and Stuart Price weren't exactly household names.After all this time,I think she simply wanted to make a big,commercial album that's in sync with the American music scene.It won't sound anything like her last few albums,which is why Madonna gets more respect (as an artist) than MJ.She evolves with each album,tries new things.This upcoming album will be commercial and radio friendly,but in a few years,she may do an underground,non-commercial rock album.That's how she is....always exploring new sounds and styles.I can't say the same about MJ. Well, yes Madonna can change a lot, but my problem with her is that I have hard times figuring out who the real Madonna is. But sorry I see MJ and Madonna being the same commercial. But MJ´s albums are not also the same. None of his albums is like the other, so he does change a lot as well. What I love about MJ is the same thing I love about Prince. They do a lot of different styles, yet they manage to have their own sound. You just know it´s them. They both are able to do rock, pop, funk and still be themselves, which is great, I think. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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DarlingDiana said: SoulAlive said: let's not blame only the media.Michael created the media circus that surrounds him.Beginning in the mid-80s,he played games with the media....having his manager "plant" crazy stories to the press,just to keep his name in the news.As a result,they turned on him.He could have prevented this,if he had behaved like a serious artist and did more interviews,explaining himself.Furthermore,how can the media focus on the music when there is always so much else going on?? The surgeries,the allegations,the two high-profile marriages and divorces,the baby dangling incident,the odd behavior,etc.
That was 20 muthatruckin years ago! How long does he have to pay for his mistakes? He surrounded himself with the wrong people. A PR team that were out to exploit Michael and build his career on controversy and scandal rather than music. He fired the mofos long ago. Long, long ago. It's just fucking cruel and unfair to be still pounding this man after 20 years. Granted there is still alot that is controversial and news-worthy in Michael's life, but it's the extent to which the media pounds him for it. Sure, tell everyone that Michael showed his baby to his fans from a hotel balcony. But don't pound him for years and years for it. Get the fuck over it. Have your fun. For the weeks following the incident, pound the shit out of him if you want. But give it a rest after a year or two. Geez. It's just ridiculous what Michael has to endure. Instead of being a f-head about it. Imagine what he must feel like. I hate to have to say it, but... "before you judge me, try hard to love me". Agreed, It´s not that we, the MJ fans, would mind when ppl critisize him for stuff that he deservees it for - like dangling the baby. But hell, I´ve done so many mistakes in my life as well and I am not sure how I would handle if the whole world would keep reminding me of my every single mistake my whole life. That takes a lot of strength. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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I don't think Madonna gets more respect as an artist. She gets more respect as a human being. But Michael is still a very respected artist. Even on Invincible, critics didn't like his choice of producers or his failed attempts to conform to the standards of the time, but they admitted he sung most tracks wonderfully and couldn't deny certain tracks like "You Rock My World", "Butterflies" and "Whatever Happens". He hasn't lost any respect as an artist. Infact, Madonna's the only one I see not getting respect as an artist. I see her getting bucket loads of respect as a human being, a celebrity and an entertainer, but as a musical artist I don't see much respect at all. Infact most critics find her music laughable and hardly at all credible. Madonna's not a musician. That's just her platform for becoming popular and staying popular. | |
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DarlingDiana said: I don't think Madonna gets more respect as an artist. She gets more respect as a human being. But Michael is still a very respected artist. Even on Invincible, critics didn't like his choice of producers or his failed attempts to conform to the standards of the time, but they admitted he sung most tracks wonderfully and couldn't deny certain tracks like "You Rock My World", "Butterflies" and "Whatever Happens". He hasn't lost any respect as an artist. Infact, Madonna's the only one I see not getting respect as an artist. I see her getting bucket loads of respect as a human being, a celebrity and an entertainer, but as a musical artist I don't see much respect at all. Infact most critics find her music laughable and hardly at all credible. Madonna's not a musician. That's just her platform for becoming popular and staying popular.
I beg to differ.Madonna gets tremendous respect as an artist.In the early part of her career,she was largely dismissed by critics,mainly because her songs were little more than bubblegum pop.But when she started doing serious songs like "Papa Don't Preach","Live To Tell" and "Like A Prayer",things changed.I started reading more positive reviews of her albums.In the 90s,she received alot of positive reviews for career-defining projects like 'Evita' and 'Ray Of Light'(which won 4 Grammys).She is respected as someone who evolves with each album and is not afraid to try new things.You can look back at her catalog and see alot of artistic growth. | |
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dag said: SoulAlive said: The difference is,Madonna doesn't make "commercial" albums everytime.She doesn't always work with trendy,mainstream producers.The last time she did that was in 1994.Her last three albums ('Music','American Life' and 'Confessions On A Dancefloor') didn't exactly cater to American music tastes.There was no Neptunes,no Rodney Jerkins,no Timbaland on those albums at all.Producers like William Orbit,Mirwais,and Stuart Price weren't exactly household names.After all this time,I think she simply wanted to make a big,commercial album that's in sync with the American music scene.It won't sound anything like her last few albums,which is why Madonna gets more respect (as an artist) than MJ.She evolves with each album,tries new things.This upcoming album will be commercial and radio friendly,but in a few years,she may do an underground,non-commercial rock album.That's how she is....always exploring new sounds and styles.I can't say the same about MJ. Well, yes Madonna can change a lot, but my problem with her is that I have hard times figuring out who the real Madonna is. But sorry I see MJ and Madonna being the same commercial. But MJ´s albums are not also the same. None of his albums is like the other, so he does change a lot as well. What I love about MJ is the same thing I love about Prince. They do a lot of different styles, yet they manage to have their own sound. You just know it´s them. They both are able to do rock, pop, funk and still be themselves, which is great, I think. I disagree.Every Michael Jackson album since 'Dangerous' has used the same formula...mostly R&B tracks,a few pop/rock tracks,and several syrupy "save the world" ballads thrown in.I don't see his last three albums being that much different.And now it looks like he is making the same type of album. For her part,I think Madonna tries a new approach with each album.'Confessions On A Dancefloor' didn't sound anything like 'American Life'.Based on early reports,the upcoming album won't sound anything like 'Confessions'. | |
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DarlingDiana said: SoulAlive said: let's not blame only the media.Michael created the media circus that surrounds him.Beginning in the mid-80s,he played games with the media....having his manager "plant" crazy stories to the press,just to keep his name in the news.As a result,they turned on him.He could have prevented this,if he had behaved like a serious artist and did more interviews,explaining himself.Furthermore,how can the media focus on the music when there is always so much else going on?? The surgeries,the allegations,the two high-profile marriages and divorces,the baby dangling incident,the odd behavior,etc.
That was 20 muthatruckin years ago! How long does he have to pay for his mistakes? He surrounded himself with the wrong people. A PR team that were out to exploit Michael and build his career on controversy and scandal rather than music. He fired the mofos long ago. Long, long ago. It's just fucking cruel and unfair to be still pounding this man after 20 years. Granted there is still alot that is controversial and news-worthy in Michael's life, but it's the extent to which the media pounds him for it. Sure, tell everyone that Michael showed his baby to his fans from a hotel balcony. But don't pound him for years and years for it. Get the fuck over it. Have your fun. For the weeks following the incident, pound the shit out of him if you want. But give it a rest after a year or two. Geez. It's just ridiculous what Michael has to endure. Instead of being a f-head about it. Imagine what he must feel like. I hate to have to say it, but... "before you judge me, try hard to love me". "That was 20 muthtruckin years ago". ALLRIGHT,Darling Diana!!!! I love your quote. People really do need to get over this $#@% and stop acting as it MJ is a criminal. They don't treat murderers, er accused murders,like Phil Spector like that. Anything that Michael does, these morons hold it over his head forever and not a damn thing was criminal. I am so sick of the double standards that this man has to endure.What pisses me off even more are the people who say that he brought it on himself. I say BULLSHIT. 90% of this was brought on by a biased media, and people who can't except "difference" in a person. Walking to your own drumbeat is not a crime and Michael Jackson has never committed a crime; no matter how some people want him to have committed one. | |
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krayzie said: Why do people believe he can come back ?
he can't sing no more, he cant dance no more and he looks scary. He can still sing and dance rings around 99% of the people who consider themselves artists or entertainers.I would be willing to bet that the people who say that he looks "scary" look like #$%^ themselves. Usually, ugly people call others ugly. At least, that has always been my experience. I often wonder:"Have these people even looked in a mirror?" | |
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SoulAlive said: Cinnamon234 said: I'm a Madonna fan myself but a lot of her fans are full of s**t. The biggest hypocrites i've ever come across. People say that MJ fans are oversensitive, but we see the double standards. Take for example the fact that Madonna is working with Timbaland and Justin Timberlake on her new album. The media will say that what she's doing is "innovative" and "one step ahead of everyone else". CAN YOU IMAGINE IF MICHAEL JACKSON EVER WORKED WITH JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE?!!! He would be ripped to shreads!!!!! The press would have a filed day and the whole media and public would go on about how desperate he is for a hit, but because it's Madonna it's seen as something "new and innovative". Give me a f***ing break. The difference is,Madonna doesn't make "commercial" albums everytime.She doesn't always work with trendy,mainstream producers.The last time she did that was in 1994.Her last three albums ('Music','American Life' and 'Confessions On A Dancefloor') didn't exactly cater to American music tastes.There was no Neptunes,no Rodney Jerkins,no Timbaland on those albums at all.Producers like William Orbit,Mirwais,and Stuart Price weren't exactly household names.After all this time,I think she simply wanted to make a big,commercial album that's in sync with the American music scene.It won't sound anything like her last few albums,which is why Madonna gets more respect (as an artist) than MJ.She evolves with each album,tries new things.This upcoming album will be commercial and radio friendly,but in a few years,she may do an underground,non-commercial rock album.That's how she is....always exploring new sounds and styles.I can't say the same about MJ. Let's stop with the hypocrisy! Just because an album doesn't sell doesn't mean that it is not commercial. Every album that Madonna has released was MEANT to be "commercial". The same with Prince albums. These artists want to sell as many copies as possible. Of course, when they don't the pundits and fans claim that is wasn't meant to be "radio friendly". Madonna fans whined and pissed all over themselves when radio did'nt play songs from "American Life". The hollered "sabotage" and every other word. These same whiners came on MJ boards and dissed MJ fans for saying that Invincible was sabotaged. Again, "double standards" rears its ugly head. When Michael released HIStory is was definently NOT a radio friendly album. This was his most innovative and personal album. Of course,most critics failed to see that because they were so busy reviewing his personal life. Every album that Michael releases is different from the previous. So, let's stop with the crap. Cinnamon, I agree with EVERTHING that you said. Great Post!! | |
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skyecute said: DarlingDiana said: That was 20 muthatruckin years ago! How long does he have to pay for his mistakes? He surrounded himself with the wrong people. A PR team that were out to exploit Michael and build his career on controversy and scandal rather than music. He fired the mofos long ago. Long, long ago. It's just fucking cruel and unfair to be still pounding this man after 20 years. Granted there is still alot that is controversial and news-worthy in Michael's life, but it's the extent to which the media pounds him for it. Sure, tell everyone that Michael showed his baby to his fans from a hotel balcony. But don't pound him for years and years for it. Get the fuck over it. Have your fun. For the weeks following the incident, pound the shit out of him if you want. But give it a rest after a year or two. Geez. It's just ridiculous what Michael has to endure. Instead of being a f-head about it. Imagine what he must feel like. I hate to have to say it, but... "before you judge me, try hard to love me". "That was 20 muthtruckin years ago". ALLRIGHT,Darling Diana!!!! I love your quote. People really do need to get over this $#@% and stop acting as it MJ is a criminal. They don't treat murderers, er accused murders,like Phil Spector like that. Anything that Michael does, these morons hold it over his head forever and not a damn thing was criminal. I am so sick of the double standards that this man has to endure.What pisses me off even more are the people who say that he brought it on himself. I say BULLSHIT. 90% of this was brought on by a biased media, and people who can't except "difference" in a person. Walking to your own drumbeat is not a crime and Michael Jackson has never committed a crime; no matter how some people want him to have committed one. When people say "Michael brought this on himself",this is what they mean... ***HE is the one who had all those crazy nose jobs ***HE is the one who had all that plastic surgery ***HE is the one who had "sleepovers" with young boys,setting himself up to be accused. ***HE is the one who admitted on national TV that he shares his bed with young boys. ***HE is the one who dangled a baby from a hotel balcony These issues go a whole lot deeper than just being "different" and "walking to your own drumbeat".It's not the media who told him to do all of these questionable things.He's been in the business long enough to know that,when a celebrity fucks up,they're gonna make a big deal about it.Obviously if someone who is known as "the King of Pop" gets accussed of molesting a teenage boy,it can't easily be ignored by the media.Yes,the media can be cruel and vicious,but ask yourself this: WHY DID HE DO THESE THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE?. | |
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Exactly. Madonna wants every album to be commercial successful. Anytime an album of hers isn't commercially successful her fans or her self claim it wasn't supposed to be mainstream. What BS. | |
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skyecute said: SoulAlive said: The difference is,Madonna doesn't make "commercial" albums everytime.She doesn't always work with trendy,mainstream producers.The last time she did that was in 1994.Her last three albums ('Music','American Life' and 'Confessions On A Dancefloor') didn't exactly cater to American music tastes.There was no Neptunes,no Rodney Jerkins,no Timbaland on those albums at all.Producers like William Orbit,Mirwais,and Stuart Price weren't exactly household names.After all this time,I think she simply wanted to make a big,commercial album that's in sync with the American music scene.It won't sound anything like her last few albums,which is why Madonna gets more respect (as an artist) than MJ.She evolves with each album,tries new things.This upcoming album will be commercial and radio friendly,but in a few years,she may do an underground,non-commercial rock album.That's how she is....always exploring new sounds and styles.I can't say the same about MJ. Let's stop with the hypocrisy! Just because an album doesn't sell doesn't mean that it is not commercial. Every album that Madonna has released was MEANT to be "commercial". The same with Prince albums. These artists want to sell as many copies as possible. Of course, when they don't the pundits and fans claim that is wasn't meant to be "radio friendly". Madonna fans whined and pissed all over themselves when radio did'nt play songs from "American Life". The hollered "sabotage" and every other word. These same whiners came on MJ boards and dissed MJ fans for saying that Invincible was sabotaged. Again, "double standards" rears its ugly head. When Michael released HIStory is was definently NOT a radio friendly album. This was his most innovative and personal album. Of course,most critics failed to see that because they were so busy reviewing his personal life. Every album that Michael releases is different from the previous. So, let's stop with the crap. 'History' featured production by Jam and Lewis,R.Kelly,Dallas Austin,plus guest artists like Janet Jackson and Notorious B.I.G.,and you're tellin' me it's not a "radio friendly" album?? 
'American Life' was not a commercial album at all.There are no guest artists,no trendy,well-known producers,no R&B/hip-hop at all...hell,it doesn't even contain hardly any dance tracks! If Madonna truly wanted it to be "commercial",why didn't she simply follow Michael's formula and call up every hot producer at the time? | |
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DarlingDiana said: Exactly. Madonna wants every album to be commercial successful. Anytime an album of hers isn't commercially successful her fans or her self claim it wasn't supposed to be mainstream. What BS.
How do you know what Madonna wants? If you listen to her albums,you would see that she's not always interested in being "commercial".She takes chances. | |
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SoulAlive said: skyecute said: "That was 20 muthtruckin years ago". ALLRIGHT,Darling Diana!!!! I love your quote. People really do need to get over this $#@% and stop acting as it MJ is a criminal. They don't treat murderers, er accused murders,like Phil Spector like that. Anything that Michael does, these morons hold it over his head forever and not a damn thing was criminal. I am so sick of the double standards that this man has to endure.What pisses me off even more are the people who say that he brought it on himself. I say BULLSHIT. 90% of this was brought on by a biased media, and people who can't except "difference" in a person. Walking to your own drumbeat is not a crime and Michael Jackson has never committed a crime; no matter how some people want him to have committed one. When people say "Michael brought this on himself",this is what they mean... ***HE is the one who had all those crazy nose jobs ***HE is the one who had all that plastic surgery ***HE is the one who had "sleepovers" with young boys,setting himself up to be accused. ***HE is the one who admitted on national TV that he shares his bed with young boys. ***HE is the one who dangled a baby from a hotel balcony These issues go a whole lot deeper than just being "different" and "walking to your own drumbeat".It's not the media who told him to do all of these questionable things.He's been in the business long enough to know that,when a celebrity fucks up,they're gonna make a big deal about it.Obviously if someone who is known as "the King of Pop" gets accussed of molesting a teenage boy,it can't easily be ignored by the media.Yes,the media can be cruel and vicious,but ask yourself this: WHY DID HE DO THESE THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE?. Yadda yadda yadda.... BORING!!! Come on. We've all heard this shit a million times now. It's so old and so boring. People trying to analyse Michael Jackson and pick apart his own mistakes. Geez. How much more obsessed can some people get? | |
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skyecute said: krayzie said: Why do people believe he can come back ?
he can't sing no more, he cant dance no more and he looks scary. He can still sing and dance rings around 99% of the people who consider themselves artists or entertainers.I would be willing to bet that the people who say that he looks "scary" look like #$%^ themselves. Usually, ugly people call others ugly. At least, that has always been my experience. I often wonder:"Have these people even looked in a mirror?" Now you're being silly  Look,I get that you love Michael and that's fine.But are you seriously gonna sit up here and try to defend his ever-changing looks?? | |
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DarlingDiana said: SoulAlive said: When people say "Michael brought this on himself",this is what they mean... ***HE is the one who had all those crazy nose jobs ***HE is the one who had all that plastic surgery ***HE is the one who had "sleepovers" with young boys,setting himself up to be accused. ***HE is the one who admitted on national TV that he shares his bed with young boys. ***HE is the one who dangled a baby from a hotel balcony These issues go a whole lot deeper than just being "different" and "walking to your own drumbeat".It's not the media who told him to do all of these questionable things.He's been in the business long enough to know that,when a celebrity fucks up,they're gonna make a big deal about it.Obviously if someone who is known as "the King of Pop" gets accussed of molesting a teenage boy,it can't easily be ignored by the media.Yes,the media can be cruel and vicious,but ask yourself this: WHY DID HE DO THESE THINGS IN THE FIRST PLACE?. Yadda yadda yadda.... BORING!!! Come on. We've all heard this shit a million times now. It's so old and so boring. People trying to analyse Michael Jackson and pick apart his own mistakes. Geez. How much more obsessed can some people get? So you at least admit that he made mistakes?? We're making progress here! | |
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SoulAlive said: dag said: Well, yes Madonna can change a lot, but my problem with her is that I have hard times figuring out who the real Madonna is. But sorry I see MJ and Madonna being the same commercial. But MJ´s albums are not also the same. None of his albums is like the other, so he does change a lot as well. What I love about MJ is the same thing I love about Prince. They do a lot of different styles, yet they manage to have their own sound. You just know it´s them. They both are able to do rock, pop, funk and still be themselves, which is great, I think. I disagree.Every Michael Jackson album since 'Dangerous' has used the same formula...mostly R&B tracks,a few pop/rock tracks,and several syrupy "save the world" ballads thrown in.I don't see his last three albums being that much different.And now it looks like he is making the same type of album. For her part,I think Madonna tries a new approach with each album.'Confessions On A Dancefloor' didn't sound anything like 'American Life'.Based on early reports,the upcoming album won't sound anything like 'Confessions'. well, he does repeat certain themes, which shows to me it comes from the heart. But the music does not seem so same to me. Invincible is sweet. History is aggresive. History is nothing like Dangerous and Dangerous is nothing like Thriler etc. But of course you can feel it´s him. No matter what style Prince does, it is still him. That´s what I was talking about earlier. But Prince, even though you can recognise his style, you can´t say his albums are the same either. Skyecute, Cinnamon - nice posts. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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SoulAlive said: DarlingDiana said: Exactly. Madonna wants every album to be commercial successful. Anytime an album of hers isn't commercially successful her fans or her self claim it wasn't supposed to be mainstream. What BS.
How do you know what Madonna wants? If you listen to her albums,you would see that she's not always interested in being "commercial".She takes chances. Just because a song is crap, doesn't mean it's not meant to be commerical. Making a really bad song is not "taking a chance". It's so obvious that all her music is meant for commerical success. The only reason she changes her style is because that's what she thinks will make her successful. I wonder how many songs on Madonna's new album will rip-off old Michael Jackson songs. So far she's ripped of Billie Jean (Like a Virgin) and Can You Feel It (Material Girl, Sorry). I wonder which MJ song she'll go for next. | |
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SoulAlive said: DarlingDiana said: Yadda yadda yadda.... BORING!!! Come on. We've all heard this shit a million times now. It's so old and so boring. People trying to analyse Michael Jackson and pick apart his own mistakes. Geez. How much more obsessed can some people get? So you at least admit that he made mistakes?? We're making progress here! Yes. He's a human being. He makes mistakes. | |
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