DarlingDiana said:

Based on what facts? MJ could take years to record another cd.
You don't know - you just have feelings.
God I love how you state your thoughts as facts.
You are so blindly loyal to MJ it is amazing.

SoulAlive said:

Invincible could have been tight but instead it's a tad too long and a bit all over the place.

After the initial excitement wore off, I realized there were a lot of songs that I just didn’t care for.

SoulAlive said:

I actually agree about the uptempo songs on Vince. It's the ballads that I love. Infact, looking through the producers credited on Vince, it's the Teddy stuff I like and the Darkchild stuff I don't like. Which is interesting.

It would have been great if MJ recorded Rock Your Body, but I guess he just didn't like it.

DarlingDiana said:

the slow songs on Invincible are great.I like:

Heaven Can Wait
Butterflies
Break Of Dawn
Whatever Happens

"Speechless" and "Cry" are decent too.


The problem is with the uptempo tracks.Stuff like "2000 Watts" and "Heartbreaker" are whack The title track comes and goes without leaving a trace.I think he should have ditched Rodney Jerkins and Teddy Riley,kept "Rock Your Body" and the ballads I listed above and did several dance tracks produced by Jamiroquai

SoulAlive said:

Yep, I often think that Canned Heat and Little L would be great sung by MJ.

thedoorkeeper said:

That shit is FACT. It took 4 years to make Invincible. That's a stone cold fact.

SoulAlive said:

No, keep Teddy Riley because he produced two of the best songs on the album (Heaven and Whatever). I agree, keep Body and the (good) ballads. But screw Jamiroquai, just keep the songs Michael did with Jermaine Dupri. That would've been a great album (maybe even his best) if he did it like that.

pjh1972 said:

I remember in the fall of 2001,Jamiroquai's 'A Funk Odyssey' CD came out around the same time as 'Invincible' (maybe a few weeks earlier).I heard it and I thought "This is the album that MJ should have made!".

DarlingDiana said:

I'm not disputing that it took 4 years to record Invincible - I'm saying you have no idea if the next cd will take 4 months to record or 4 years. You don't know. Yet you state as a fact that Invincible was a one-off incident that you doubt will ever happen again. Well what facts make you think it will never happen again? What facts tell you that Invincible was a one-off incident? No facts - just your love for MJ.

thedoorkeeper said:

The fact that all his other albums took less than a year to make.

Lets be all honest, except for the hardcore Michael fans, Michael needs Quincy . With Q you got none of this over-produce, sappy crap like "Lost Children". They should bury their differences and get back together, and Q should use every ounce of his Jazz background to put Michael back on track.

bboy87 said:

THIS IS IT!!! the pic I've been looking for Thanks for posting it.I think this picture is from 1983 or 1984? Classic photo!!!!! Madonna looks thrilled to be sitting next to one of her idols.


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It's from 1984. She was at a Victory Tour concert with Jellybean Johnson. In all the other pictures I've see, she's looks laid back like she usually does but THIS one picture, she looks happy. I don't care what anyone says, I think those 3 (Michael, Prince, and Madonna) have always been cool with each other

SoulAlive said:

I like both of those.

Cloudbuster said:

Of course!

bboy87 said:

they are old, damn people still live in the past...

DarlingDiana said:

Well then how about the fact that he was recording a song for the Katrina Victims & never could pull it together. If thats any indication of his work habits these days you will be waiting a long time. FACT!

FunkyBrotha said:

Applause!!! I agree with every word of this post.My sentiments exactly!

ehuffnsd said:

Seriously, I don't know of ANY teenager-black,white, Hispanic,etc.- that is influenced or talks about Madonna. I hear and hear of people talking about Michael's moves, music on almost a daily basis. Now, whether that translates into MJ selling more than Madonna is another matter. I also know that there are those in the media and music industry who will do everything in their power to try and diminish Michael's sales and will come up with some contrived piece of negativity to try and stall his sales. They won't do that to Madonna and will do everything in their power to boost her sales.FTR, Madonna is not popular as popular with the public as the media/music industry would have you think. I don't anyone who is a Madonna fan or who buys her albums. Virtually every pop, rap, hip-hop,R&B artist out there at the moment was/is influenced by Michael Jackson. Again, whether this translates into mega-sales for MJ is another matter. I do think that if the media doesn't have double standards and ALLOWS Michael's music to speak for itself, he will do well. If another fake allegation or lawsuit doesn't occur then he will do fine. Of course, there are many in the media and industry who are hoping that he will fail because he refuses to give up. One thing that I know for sure, Michael's music will be GREAT-it always it. Let's just hope that they give him a chance to promote it and not stifle it with the expected negativity.

SoulAlive said:

Hmmm,some of you seem to forget that starting in 2003, Michael was fighting for his LIFE. Therefore, only an idiot would think that was at the forefront of his mind. He took one year off to get himself together-emotionally and physically. Even during that time of recuperation, MJ was STILL working. To compare his situation with Madonna's-who has never been FRAMED for a crime- is ridiculous. The fact that he still wants to release an album after what he went through is commendable. He has my total respect and support, whenever he decides to release his album. I will buy it on the day that it is released.

SoulAlive said:

As usual, people get it wrong. It is not Michael who is focusing on his sales; it is people like you, the media,the industry, and even SOME of his fans. Whatever Michael does is blown out of proportion by the media, yet people blame Michael for that. If this album is hyped, and we know that it will be, it will be others doing it more than Michael. Michael is STILL the KING OF POP. It doesn't matter if he ever releases another album. He earned that title. His fans bestowed it on him. He didn't give it to himself. His musical record(which no else has reached) speaks for itself. He has nothing to prove. He has already proven himself many times over. I think that Michael wants to retire on a positive note;instead of the one that the fake allegations left. Michael doesn't need a Comeback. He has never left. He still outsells his peers with every release. Again, he has nothing to prove.

Michael's either going to need to drop alot of songs from the album, or make it a double disc album (which would be so f-ckin cool).

He's working with Teddy Riley, Rodney Jerkins, will.i.am, Sean Garret, Neff-U, Big Chuck, Akon, Ne-Yo, Chris Brown and probably more. How is he going to fit all that on one disc?

Riley wont want to produce with Jerkins. He didn't on Invincible so I doubt he will on the album. I can't see will.i.am producing with anybody else (except Michael), and same goes for Sean Garret. So there's four producers with too big of egos to produce with anyone else. So there's four seperate tracks. But, could you imagine these guys producing only one song each?

Rolling Stone said will.i.am and Mike have already produced 8 songs together. Riley produced 4 songs on Vince. Jerkins produced 6 songs on Vince. Jerkins had a big role on Vince, so it's not likely he will have the same amount of contribution on the album because will.i.am is the "jerkins" of this album. So just say Riley and Jerkins do 3 songs each. Will does 6-8. That's atleast 12 songs. But then Garret will add a couple of songs to the album. Same with Neff-U and that Big Chuck guy. Although, they are probably more willing to collaborate with other producers. But you've got atleast 15 songs when you put all the names into the mix.

Don't forget guys like Akon, Ne-Yo and Chris Brown who reckon they are writing songs for Michael, or contributing in some way. Neff-U is Ne-Yo's producer. So I dare say whatever song Ne-Yo writes for Michael will be produced by Neff-U. I have no idea who Big Chuck is. I think he is Neff-U's co-producer (sidekick). So Ne-Yo, Neff-U and Big Chuck come in the same package. Chris Brown has worked with Sean Garrett alot, so I guess whatever song Chris Brown is involved in will be produced by Garrett. So again, they come in the same package. Akon produces his own music, so his song will be another addition to the track list. So we've got atleast 16 tracks.

Michael has always written and produced quite a few songs on his album (except for Invincible were he only wrote and produced 2 songs by himself). Say he has the same sort of contribution on this album. He might chuck in 2 or 3 of his own songs (100% written and produced by him). So now he's upped the tracklist to 18 songs. And I'm talking the very minimum. It's more likely there are going to be 20-22 songs made for this album.

He's going to have drop some fools (like Akon and Chris Brown) or do a double-disc album. Fingers crossed for the latter.

skyecute said:

EXACTLY!!! I agree with all of that:

Also The King of Pop Title- My gawd that irritates me to no end when people say "Self-Proclaimed King of PoP". First of all, Michael never called himself that. It was Elizabeth Taylor who said it @ The Soul Train Awards and here is the clip of that.

http://jetzis-mjvideo.com...rpt27.html


If Elvis Presley is still the King of Rock 'n' Roll after all these years then I don't see why Michael can't still be The King Of Pop. NOBODY BUT NOBODY has surpassed his achievements or has even come close. What in the hell does Michael have left to prove? NOT A DAMN THING! He's done it all, he's broken down color barriers, he's broken countless records. He's been in this business since he was a kid.

This is a man who has the biggest selling album EVER. That is a HUGE feat and that's a bigger accomplishment than anything any artist in history has ever achieved. He has nothing left to prove whatsoever. Most artists would be lucky to have even half the success he's had. Michael just doesn't want to go out with these stupid ass fake ass allegations being the last thing people associate with him so a good album would help but that's it. That man has nothing left to prove when it comes to his music and career. Nobody in their right mind could say otherwise.
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Cinnamon234 said:

But MJ himself up until History at least was obsesse with record sales too, it's been said his aim after to Thriller was to outsell Thriller, I have no reason to disbelieve that. And I wouldn't be surprise if he did call himself the KOP, Liz Taylor probably went a little further, but he probably laid the ground work.

What people have to realize is that especially after Thriller Michael's persona changed, even his friend David Gest has said his personality changed(although he put it down to the pain killers he started to take after he had that accident with Pepsi) The fact of the matter is whereas once upon a time Michael would release an album including Thriller, with very little funfare, since Bad everything has been over-hype even before the album has been release. Fans complain that Vince didn't get that much promotion on it's release, it got more Promotion than Thriller and Off The Wall, put together.!!

The fact of the matter is whereas before Michael only demanded attention whilst on stage, now he demands attention when he goes to a hotel, when he goes shopping and wraps his children faces his scarfs. He only turns up at award shows if they are giving him an award or if they are celebrating his achievements. He seems to live for the hysteria and attention of the fans he has left, it's like that's the only way he seems relevant. The fact of the matter is that he has spent the last 20 years making only 3 and a half albums and the rest of the time he has been in the news for his more bizarre antics, which is ashame because in my book Michael is one of the very last, truely great artist out there, but it seems that the music will only be a side not in his life story.
[Edited 4/22/07 4:46am]

skyecute said:

The problem for MJ is,his music has become secondary.These days,when people talk or think about him,it's not really the music they're focusing on.It would be great if people could let the "music speak for itself",but there always seems to be so many distractions in the way.He is not totally blameless,either.He has created the media circus that surrounds him.


As for your assertion that Madonna isn't popular anymore,consider this: "Hung Up" was a Number One single in many countries. Last year,she went on a successful world tour that grossed over $200 million.It is now officially the most successful tour by a female artist.And that was the third tour that she did in this decade! Unlike MJ,she stays focused on her art without all the scandals,distractions and nonsense.She's just making music and performing for her fans.That's really what it's all about.Somewhere along the way,Michael forgot about that.

SoulAlive said:

Well, unlike Madonna, Mike has decided to be a full-time dad´and take break from his 35 full-time years in showbusiness.

But I must say there is a huge difference between how the media treat MJ and Madonna. The articles that were released when she had her concert in Prague treated her like the perfect Goddess, while Mj is treated like s**t. The last article that I´ve read entitled MJ planning to make a comeback was more about his plastic surgery and alleged "failures" like that he is desperately walking round Vegas clubs asking for some contract and that everybody is turning him down and other stupid stuff like that than just simple news on what he is doing.)

skyecute - nice post.

Good post Dag. You're a dead right. Michael Jackson is treated like shit by the media. Just because he didn't cave in when they first started attacking him in the late 80s and early 90s. They expected him to crash and burn then, but he's still staying strong and it pisses them off something chronic!

And I definately agree that Michael Jackson is a father first, and then a recording artist. I think the only thing that is keeping him in the studio is his love for music. It's not like he needs the money. He's got his huge Sony/ATV catalogue that would no doubt rake in millions (possibly billions) every year. If he wanted to he could stay at home collecting cheques everytime the Beatles music is played on a commercial and raising his children 24/7. But he just loves music too much to leave it. Anyone else would just collapse under the pressure of the trial and just say "fuck it" and be a stay-at-home parent with a big business. But Michael Jackson is not "anyone else". He's really impressed me the way he has stepped up after the trial. I thought for sure he would just go into break-down mode after the trial. I'm just so thankful he is prepared to share his music with the world once again, after the way the world treated him for all these years (like, as Dag said, shit).
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