"I do think she evolves and I like that every album is different"

Precisely.I appreciate artists who at least take chances and don't make the same album over and over.'I'm Breathless' was something totally different from 'Like A Prayer'....'Bedtime Stories' didn't sound anything like 'Erotica'...and of course,'Ray Of Light' was different from anything she had done previously.Her albums always seem to have a different style and focus (musically and lyrically).The upcoming album promises to be a cool mixture of dance,R&B,rock and who knows whatever else.

DarlingDiana said:

madonna's changing style doesn't involve having surgery to make her resemble skeletor.

SoulAlive said:

I actually do believe if Michael hadn't had such huge success with "Thriller" he would have evolve musically alot more. Let's face it what other mainstream artist would have thought of using a Jazz Producer to produce their first, adult solo album.? Not many. I just think after the success of Thriller his main aim was to reach even more people, therefore the only way he felt he could do this was to go as mainstream, watering down his original style, both physically and musically and just hope with lots of hype he would outsell Thriller.

I think Michael has evolved. Even if it's just been slightly. Off The Wall was an R&B record through and through. Thriller was too, but it had more pop and even some rock. Bad wne teven further way from R&B and had even more pop and rock. Dangerous went back to R&B, but also was more versatile then any other album he had done up to that point. It had rock, gospel, sampled orchestras, and Mike even came close to rapping in the title song. Then on HIStory he just went all out and made his most personal, un-conventional album ever. I see Invincible as an attempt to capture everything that made his music up to that point great. Some say it worked, some say it didn't. I like listenting to it, so I guess it worked for me. But he has evolved. Not only in style, but also his involvement on the records. He wrote more songs on Thriller than on OTW. He wrote almost all the songs on Bad. He wrote, produced and played instruments on HIStory. Same goes for Invincible. He kept having more to do on each album as he progressed. I think know he's at the point where he could write, produce, perform, record and mix an album entirely by himself. But will he ever do such a thing?

DarlingDiana said:

Michael evolvement had nothing to do with developing his own style, he just went more mainstream because he wanted to sell even more records than Thriller. Bad and Dangerous were just ways of trying to capture a wider audience, trying to be all things to all people, that's why Dangerous had a little bit of everything, but hardly anything was groundbreaking or on a different level to anything he had done before. Infact Dangerous sounds disjointed, it hasn't got that wonderful flow of either Thriller, Off The Wall or even Bad(which I am not a fan of).

skyecute said:

Are you serious ?

In 2001, he showed us that he lost his voice. HE JUST CANNOT SING LIVE NO MORE.

And with this whole generation of "wannabes", he never gonna be able to entertain us like in the 80's. He's just too old.

And he looks horrendous. How can you defend his scary looking ? Everybody hates his ugly face.

I think he should retire for good.

Wasn't there something in his contract about taking time off between albums?

SoulAlive said:

Nobody´s defending it. Sleepovers are unusual, but not hurtful unless you molest those kids, which none of these trials managed to prove. I think those kids got more hurt by what their parents put them through than by what MJ has ever done to them.
MJ has paid for that more than he deserved. And he paid for it not only by having to do go through these trials, but he will continue paying for it for the rest of his life thanks to people like you, who cannot get over something "slightly unusual" although not hurtful in any way. By pointing to Madonna, I wanted to show how much others are able to get away with without slightest punishment - quite the contrary, they are admired for it.


One intelligent journalist once said:
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. This man is just utterly magic onstage. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."

dag said:

The sleepovers are hurtful, if you are putting yourself and the children in an awkward position. As I said before the prosecution really didn't have much on Michael, they definetly didn't have the type physical evidence they have got with R.kelly They couldn't even do him on possession of child porn, something that they usually do child abusers for, if they can't actually prosecute them for child abuse itself. But the sleepovers were their biggest weapon against him, whether he was guilty or not, and it has been used ever since to beat him over the head. The fact of the matter is to most rational people it doesn't look right for adult male to consistently to be sleeping in the same bed with pre-teen children that are not related to him, just for the sake of it.

And I do believe once upon Michael was the best thing on stage, but over more recent years that has faded. The fact he rarely sings live anymore tells you something is wrong somewhere. No one can take away the talent he has or had, because it's out there for the world to see, but it was in the pass. Michael reached his peaked a long time ago, his time has pass.

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cborgman said:

damn!



then











now






tripod hosting pic edit..
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So you pic the best possible picture of Madonna, and the worst picture of MJ that is 4 years old! Let's turn the tables...

Then...




Now...

CHIC0 said:

Man, I don't care if his nose falls off and his skin turns blue, I'd still pick Michael Jackson over Madonna any day. And if you're gonna post a picture of how he looks like today, try using a pic that wasn't taken 4 years ago.

Just on a side note, these photos are almost 20 years apart...



Spot the difference.
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oh piss off!!!

i wasn't trying to make Michael look bad....he did that to himself. it's not about bad pictures. sure everyone's got A FEW. but some people act like the man looks the same as he did in the jackson 5. i didn't look for a bad picture of MJ, just one that shows how much fucking work he had done!! and don't give me this MADONNA fan over MJ fan shit. i listened to him about as much as most people on here. ok maybe a little less but whatever. and own his albums. so if you want to post ugly pics go ahead. but get your head of the dude's ass and meet his face.

DarlingDiana said:

why do fans always compare pics of when MJ had already changed drastically with more recent pics. He is not going to look much different between 1990 and 2006, because he had already drastically changed his look by 1990. Why don't you compare him between 1980 and 1990.? You can't because the change is too drastic.

This thread can be summed up in a matter of a few words:

Michael Jackson has a God-given gift, Madonna doesn't.

Madonna is better at adapting to changing trends more convincingly than Michael.

I'd still take a new MJ album over whatever Madonna has to offer in a heartbeat. Natural, God-given talent wins out every time for me.

skyecute said:

I would much rather have MJs face than your dispicable attitude.
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Nothing wrong with Michael Jackson's face.

Sure, he has a skinny nose. Big deal...

He also has some of the greatest albums ever under his belt, and a talent Madonna can only dream of. I'm sure he doesn't care what you think of his face. Why should he? He's Michael Jackson.The most talented artist on our planet right now.
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After 6 years of waiting I've reached the point where I will except almost anything new from MJ music-wise, except collaborating with Akon and Chris Brown of course.

DarlingDiana said:

Just when I thought you were becoming an obssesive MJ-fan you come up with a realistic, great story like this.

DarlingDiana said:

Hm, not much difference. Although I think his eyes are totally different now compared to the 80s and 90s.

BT11 said:

it does seem that mj has aged better than madonna

who looks like a transsexual

then again, if only michael had kept his nose with a little more meat on it

he would have been ok

he had to go chop it off

wheres papa joe when you need him?

MattyJam said:

Good one



And it doesn´t look right for a lady to be burbing in the public.
The sleepovers may be hurtfull only in the eye´s of the public. But they are not hurtful for none of these parties. That´s why that "biggest weapon" didn´t work. And it will NEVER work because if you watch the Bashit documentary, it was the kid who wanted to stay in his room and it was also him who said "it was fun that night", which I am sure he wouldn´t have said and he also wouldn´t have looked so relaxed sitting next to MJ if something nasty had really happened. And this comment should cool everyone down unless you want him to be weird.
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Michael hasn't changed much at all.

The denial levels of fans are amazing. That pic is of a 20 year old Michael, he was already an adult and look at the difference. Even between the ages of 20 and 29 he looked like a completely different person...
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MattyJam said:

when was the last time burbing in public made someone file sex assualt charges against said burber?

when an almost 50 year man is sleeping with 13 year olds there is a problem

ehuffnsd said:

I don´t know why the fact that it went to court is so important to you. Nowadays ppl sue for anything. Here are just two examples from the last month.

http://www.eonline.com/ne...dfccc442e0

Jackson's Would-Be Baby Mama Still Rocking the Cradle

by Natalie Finn
Wed, 28 Mar 2007 04:51:18 PM PDT

It turns out that the London woman looking to have a say in Michael Jackson's custody arrangement wouldn't mind if a little child support was thrown her way, as well.

Nona Paris Lola Jackson kept on keepin' on Tuesday, filing papers in Los Angeles Superior Court in which she asks for child support payments and shared physical custody that would allow her and the self-proclaimed King of Pop to both spend several hours a day with his three children, together. She even submitted a tentative schedule demonstrating how easy it would be to make that happen.

In the meantime, Jackson would retain full legal custody of 10-year-old Prince, 9-year-old Paris and 5-year-old Prince II, aka Blanket, the court documents state.

Meanwhile, the court has already shot down two attempts on Nona Jackson's part to fiddle with the undisclosed agreement Jackson has with ex-wife Deborah Rowe, who is the birth mother on record of Paris and the elder Prince.

L.A. Superior Court Judge Robert Schnider refused last month to hear her motion, stating that Nona Jackson had failed to properly notify her wannabe baby daddy and Rowe of her intentions and that, even if she had followed procedure, she had still "failed to submit any credible evidence she gave birth to the minor children."

So while Jackson doesn't appear to be in the market for another mama for his children, with his rep Raymone Bain calling Nona Jackson's actions "ludicrous," perhaps he could still use a groundskeeper.

In her latest filing, Nona Jackson also requested that the singer's Neverland Ranch and one of his Encino, California, homes be turned over to her.

Make that Never-Neverland.

Anyway, per Tuesday's motion, Nona Jackson also asked Schnider to forgive her for her past procedural errors, explaining, "I am not a qualified lawyer and have little or no capacity to serve the papers accurately, but from the previous indicated rulings I have tried to find the flaws and fix them."

Similarly to her two previous court filings, she maintains that Rowe and Jackson never consummated their three-year marriage, which ended in 1999, and that she is the mother of all three children.

"Debbie's hospital records will prove that my kids are not hers because of DNA," Nona Jackson states in court documents. "I gave birth through the means of water birth because I am technically a [sic] herbalist."

Technically, this woman is in need of a wakeup call. Hearings on her motion have been set for May 2 and May 30.



April 17th, 2007. / source: www.michaeljackson.hu
Another Jackson Case Dismissed
Yesterday a Los Angeles Judge dismissed the case brought by Helen Harris-Scott against Michael Jackson.

The bizarre case, filed by Harris-Scott, alleged that she began sending Jackson cards and letters in 1986, declaring her "love and admiration" for the singer. The plaintiff claimed Jackson was "shy" and communicated with her through others and through his music.

Harris-Scott claimed things turned ugly around 1987 when Jackson, who was "connected with criminals," flattened her tires and tampered with her brake system. She also said a GPS tracking device was secretly installed in her car, tracking her every move. She said her phone was also wiretapped.

Harris-Scott demanded an immediate apology from Jackson, also she wanted $100 million.

This case is another good example that in America you can sue anyone for anything. As well this is another victory for Jackson and his excellent legal team.


Does this sound credible to you?

The child-abuse case was just as ridiculous. And everybody who has followed it and read the transcripts knows that. The family´s depositions were ridiculous, they had recorded history of different legal freuds, they were changing accusations as they wished - first it was an abuse, than an attempt to abuse and after a month they suddenly remembered they were abducted. Plus, there was no evidence. It´s just embarrasing allegation! Period.
Wanna know why the two stories that I posted don´t get that much news covarege? It´s not because they are ridiculous. The press doesn´t mind reporting on ridiculous stories, cause they know the public is stupid enough to buy it. It is because they connect MJ to women! That´s not as interesting as little boys. And I think you might realize by now how much we want him to be weird.
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Many child abusers chose "silly" victims who won't sound credible at all.

dag said:

as an adult survior of child molestation my flags go up when i hear that a 50year old man not related to the child is throwing sleep over parties.

whatsgoingon said:

MJ didn't go out on a limb & work with a jazz producer by pairing with Q.
Q was already producing pop hits when he teamed up with MJ. Q was producing Brothers Johnson before he teamed up with MJ. In fact I bought Off The Wall when it was released because it was produced by Q.
Working with Q was going with a producer that was hot at that time.
It wasn't anything radical.