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Thread started 04/16/07 4:08am

rushing07

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Booo MARIAH, I'm gonna tell!

I'm not sure if that's news for yall, but I it seems that one of Mariah's signature songs is a plagiarism.

You be the judge:

I Want To Thank You - Alicia Myers
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Y-1C5zP4U4

Mariah Carey - Make It Happen
http://www.youtube.com/wa...XQYTcGUOVU

Did she or didn't she?
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Reply #1 posted 04/16/07 4:15am

Mong

"Emotions" and "Best Of My Love" is another case in point.
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Reply #2 posted 04/16/07 4:15am

Harlepolis

While you're @ it,,,throw in the Emotions' "Best Of My Love" and her song "Emotions" into the mix.

All of that is old news though lol the only difference was, Maurice White sued her big time and Alicia didn't.
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Reply #3 posted 04/16/07 4:16am

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[Edited 4/16/07 4:16am]
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Reply #4 posted 04/16/07 5:29am

IAintTheOne

and you picked this up when?...just a few YEARS too late biggrin
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Reply #5 posted 04/16/07 7:20am

CinisterCee

rushing07 said:

I Want To Thank You - Alicia Myers
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Y-1C5zP4U4


One of my favorite songs. cloud9
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Reply #6 posted 04/16/07 7:25am

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i think as long as the melody and lyrics are different and the music is in a different key, it's ok. oasis swiped the piano line from imagine to open "dont look back in anger" and didn't have to credit. just like madonna using "can you feel it" for her song "sorry." it's different enough to not have to credit MJ.
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Reply #7 posted 04/16/07 12:41pm

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And what about this.
Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._i_C7r6uqE
Madonna - Jump
http://www.youtube.com/wa...wDjijmCm7U
The background - the bass, rhythm... - are very similar.
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Reply #8 posted 04/16/07 12:54pm

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she actually mentioned very early in her career that the band Emotions has inspired a lot of her work.

though i don't know why they in particular weren't given credit in the album.
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Reply #9 posted 04/16/07 1:47pm

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IAintTheOne said:

and you picked this up when?...just a few YEARS too late biggrin


I knew about the "Emotions" (a copy of "Best of My Love") and Can't Let Go (a copy of "Right Before My Eyes") and Thank God I've Found You (a copy of some song by Xscape) lawsuits, but I've never heard any controversy about "Make It Happen."

Guess I've been living under a rock.
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Reply #10 posted 04/16/07 1:50pm

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dag said:

And what about this.
Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._i_C7r6uqE
Madonna - Jump
http://www.youtube.com/wa...wDjijmCm7U
The background - the bass, rhythm... - are very similar.


Definetly a similarity cool

What about this one smile

Diana Ross - Missin You
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Vlbbk4SPC4

Madonna - This Used To Be My Playground
http://www.youtube.com/wa...QsooCyjcv4
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Reply #11 posted 04/16/07 1:54pm

MikeMatronik

Madonna does not steal...she re-invents!

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Reply #12 posted 04/16/07 4:10pm

TonyVanDam

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rushing07 said:

I'm not sure if that's news for yall, but I it seems that one of Mariah's signature songs is a plagiarism.

You be the judge:

I Want To Thank You - Alicia Myers
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Y-1C5zP4U4

Mariah Carey - Make It Happen
http://www.youtube.com/wa...XQYTcGUOVU

Did she or didn't she?


She did. nod
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Reply #13 posted 04/16/07 4:11pm

TonyVanDam

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MikeMatronik said:

Madonna does not steal...she re-invents!

razz


no no no! Luther Vandross reinvents the classics. wink
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Reply #14 posted 04/16/07 4:21pm

TonyVanDam

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rushing07 said:

dag said:

And what about this.
Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._i_C7r6uqE
Madonna - Jump
http://www.youtube.com/wa...wDjijmCm7U
The background - the bass, rhythm... - are very similar.


Definetly a similarity cool

What about this one smile

Diana Ross - Missin You
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Vlbbk4SPC4

Madonna - This Used To Be My Playground
http://www.youtube.com/wa...QsooCyjcv4


I can hear the sample within the intro.nod
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Reply #15 posted 04/16/07 4:52pm

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dag said:

And what about this.
Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._i_C7r6uqE
Madonna - Jump
http://www.youtube.com/wa...wDjijmCm7U
The background - the bass, rhythm... - are very similar.


What about this:

Madonna singing "Billie Jean" on the "Like A Virgin" tour. I always thought the "Like A Virgin" baseline sounded very similar to Billie Jean's and it's appearent in this performance.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltx04f-Pddo

Material Girl
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nmW2XwU5dB4

The Jacksons "Can You Feel It"
http://youtube.com/watch?...ed&search=
[Edited 4/16/07 16:53pm]
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Reply #16 posted 04/16/07 5:02pm

rushing07

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Cinnamon234 said:

dag said:

And what about this.
Pet Shop Boys - West End Girls
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._i_C7r6uqE
Madonna - Jump
http://www.youtube.com/wa...wDjijmCm7U
The background - the bass, rhythm... - are very similar.


What about this:

Madonna singing "Billie Jean" on the "Like A Virgin" tour. I always thought the "Like A Virgin" baseline sounded very similar to Billie Jean's and it's appearent in this performance.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ltx04f-Pddo

Material Girl
http://youtube.com/watch?v=nmW2XwU5dB4

The Jacksons "Can You Feel It"
http://youtube.com/watch?...ed&search=
[Edited 4/16/07 16:53pm]


I can hear some resemblance between Billie Jean and Like a Virgin.

BTW Isn't The Jacksons' "Can You Feel It" one of the greatest videos of all time? I sure love it.
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Reply #17 posted 04/16/07 5:07pm

rushing07

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How about Brain McKnight stealing Meshelle's "Outside Your Door" for "Anytime." Shit, it was identical.

Brain McKnight "Anytime"
http://www.youtube.com/wa...mmKN44IqCw

Meshelle Ndegeocello "Outside Your Door"
http://vids.myspace.com/i...1295522286

That's old news. I know... cool
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Reply #18 posted 04/16/07 6:45pm

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Harlepolis said:

While you're @ it,,,throw in the Emotions' "Best Of My Love" and her song "Emotions" into the mix.

All of that is old news though lol the only difference was, Maurice White sued her big time and Alicia didn't.



really? did he win?
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Reply #19 posted 04/16/07 10:15pm

Harlepolis

sosgemini said:

Harlepolis said:

While you're @ it,,,throw in the Emotions' "Best Of My Love" and her song "Emotions" into the mix.

All of that is old news though lol the only difference was, Maurice White sued her big time and Alicia didn't.



really? did he win?


I have no idea,

The case took so long for that matter, if I'm not mistaken both agreed on a settlement.
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Reply #20 posted 04/17/07 7:42am

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http://www.youtube.com/wa...I7T2IXwiZAJanet Jackson-"that's the way love goes"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lJIEsa8IcYKaren White-"hungah"


these two have always sounded similar to me.
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Reply #21 posted 04/17/07 7:46am

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tony23k said:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...I7T2IXwiZAJanet Jackson-"that's the way love goes"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lJIEsa8IcYKaren White-"hungah"


these two have always sounded similar to me.




Daaayum. There's some definite similarities there.
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Reply #22 posted 04/17/07 7:54am

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Corinne Bailey Rae's Breathless
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search=

and

Tamia's You Put A Move On My Heart
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._o21pCHCWw

You can sing either lyrics right on top of either song.
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Reply #23 posted 04/17/07 7:54am

CinisterCee

JackieBlue said:

tony23k said:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...I7T2IXwiZAJanet Jackson-"that's the way love goes"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lJIEsa8IcYKaren White-"hungah"


these two have always sounded similar to me.




Daaayum. There's some definite similarities there.


Both built around The Honeydrippers "Impeach The President" drum loop.
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Reply #24 posted 04/17/07 7:56am

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CinisterCee said:

JackieBlue said:





Daaayum. There's some definite similarities there.


Both built around The Honeydrippers "Impeach The President" drum loop.


Hmm, I don't know that song.
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Reply #25 posted 04/17/07 8:00am

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tony23k said:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...I7T2IXwiZAJanet Jackson-"that's the way love goes"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lJIEsa8IcYKaren White-"hungah"


these two have always sounded similar to me.


Actually, that little break in Hungah reminds me of If. eek
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Reply #26 posted 04/17/07 10:13am

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tony23k said:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...I7T2IXwiZAJanet Jackson-"that's the way love goes"

http://www.youtube.com/wa...lJIEsa8IcYKaren White-"hungah"


these two have always sounded similar to me.

The same people wrote it (Jam and Lewis). What do u expect.
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Reply #27 posted 04/17/07 12:32pm

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JackieBlue said:

Corinne Bailey Rae's Breathless
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search=

and

Tamia's You Put A Move On My Heart
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._o21pCHCWw

You can sing either lyrics right on top of either song.
[Edited 4/17/07 7:54am]


Jesus. They sound almost identical.
Hrmpf...I don't like that. confused

I still prefer Tamia's track.
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Reply #28 posted 04/17/07 12:34pm

JackieBlue

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rushing07 said:

JackieBlue said:

Corinne Bailey Rae's Breathless
http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search=

and

Tamia's You Put A Move On My Heart
http://www.youtube.com/wa..._o21pCHCWw

You can sing either lyrics right on top of either song.
[Edited 4/17/07 7:54am]


Jesus. They sound almost identical.
Hrmpf...I don't like that. confused

I still prefer Tamia's track.



Thank you for listening and noticing. It’s bugged me ever since I got CBR’s album but couldn’t get any other opinions on it.
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Reply #29 posted 04/17/07 2:20pm

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No way, not even close.

How can anyone honestly say these songs are similar? Totally different production concepts. AM's cut is built around that ill rhythm guitar, the very warm spare analog live feel of the snare drum and most of all AM singing her ass off as she has never done before or since. That record was one for the ages, is totally unique, and would have been VERY obvious if someone was ripping it off. Now, I can understand if somone was inspired rhythmically be the AM cut, and started out with that rhythmic idea when they were constructing the MC song. Sure, I'll by that. The same way Miles heard some shit Bird did and got an idea for his own shit. Not that we are talking Bird and Miles here, but you get the anology. Personally, this is one of the MC records that I love -back when she she did what she did best - what the fuck she was told to. I love both these cuts. I wish this Mariah had never gone off the deep end and tried to prove herself to the hip-hop crowd. She really was something in the early 90s.
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