purplecam said:

Lol well for me it was. I mean the majority of the audience were teenage girls and they all seemed to be enjoying themselves but I aint no teenager so that could be one of the reasons why I just don't "get" her music or her appeal. I will admit though that she sounds good live-she can sing.

I just enjoy music,period.I don't like to compare one artist to another because every artist is different.All of my favorite artists have something different to offer.I agree with pfunkjazz.As much as I enjoy Prince's music,I don't consider him the barometer by which I judge other artists.

Fury said:

so you ran to listen to Jill Scott because of prince? WTH??

Jill doesn't need Prince to say yay or nay.


I don't base my musical interest on Prince.


but since (mainstream) music sucks nowadays....it sucks because it sucks...not because I'm a prince fan.

purplecam said:

haha same here. i love the Shuffle Songs too. (i just discovered it recently as well ) its like my own station, without commercials and annoying DJs. i just have alot of 40s-80s music, plus BSB and foreign artists. and after my finals, i'm starting to put all my mix CDs on my iPod.

Rhondab said:

yeah,it's silly to base everything around Prince.When I go see an artist in concert,I'm going to see them and what they have to offer.I'm not gonna expect it to be like a Prince concert.Prince is Prince,Jill Scott is Jill Scott.

Rhondab said:

that's not what i said. i went to see jill scott because everybody i knew was barking about what a great show she gives. it had nothing to do with prince. not that i'm expecting every show i see to feature somebody doing splits, playing guitar and running from side to side on the stage, but damn...do something besides stand in front of the damn mic. case in point--i love going to see the stylistics and frankie beverly/maze because every time i get a great show filled with showmanship. therefore, i keep going to see them over and over (despite the fact that neither one has released anything new in years). hell, i can predict the next song before they sing it (much like a prince concert )

Rhondab said:

Ain't that the truth.

TonyVanDam said:

no...but there are vocalist and singers who are. Bette Midler/ Barbara Streisand/ Sade/ Anita Baker/ Eryka Badu/ Frank Sinatra/ Ella...

and on and on...

I'm somewhat less impressed with what's going on with some of the recording artist.

There's too much of the same sound going around, there's nothing unique about most of the recording artist signed to major labels. Blame it on "Tha Seduction" work - the process of deliberately enticing a person into an act , better known today as "Production".

Everybody's jockeying for the same " 1,2,3,4, or 5 Seducer's " ( producer's ). I'm a fan of the Underdog, the raw... unmolested by the "seducer's" ( producer's ).

Very few great artists came out after 1985. By the time the 1990s came, there were practically none.

Fury said:

actually, that's what you implied. Maybe you should have left the prince reference out of your original post.

jill scott is a vocalist. You go to hear her SING not to shake her ass.

The stylistics and frankie beverly/maze are quite different than Jill scott so your expectation should be different. That's like going to listen to the symphony and expecting EWF.

Rhondab said:

why are they different? they're all vocalists. perhaps gladys knight or sade are better examples. they're vocalists, but have that "old school" sense of performing skills and they don't shake their asses either. and of course i wasn't expecting jill scott to be prince, i used prince as a barometer of the level of showmanship and satisfaction i generally expect when i pay $$$$$ to see a show. erykah badu gives a much better show than jill scott in my opinion because she connects with the audience. so if you're a jill scott fan (as it seems you are), sorry i don't feel her that way, but i'm happy fo anybody that does really get into her. mmmkay?

Fury said:

Why especially as a prince fan ?

Fury said:

Actually, I'm more of an Erykah badu.

I generally don't brush folks off because of one show. There have been ppl who've seen Erykah and hated her performance.

Rhondab said:

Erykah rocks. I've only seen her live once, but it was one of the best shows I've seen.

vainandy said:

Agreed. At the risk of sounding like an old man, imo, almost all commercial popular music since 1990-ish has been tired retreads (and retreads of retreads) of stuff from the '60s-'80s. (Even a lot of the supposed 'underground' stuff is nothing very new.) And I'm so tired of that that I now barely take notice of any so-called 'new sensation', and when I see them, I think, 'Who's he/ she trying to fool? They're reheating old stuff that was done better in the past. Where's my good old good ones?'

Actually, Bjork and the Flaming Lips ain't bad. And give ol' Princey time. He'll roll onstage in his wheelchair one day and out 'Machine Gun' Hendrix. You never know when he's gonna pull something good out of that trilby of his.

Ah, my nurse Pam Grier tells me it's time for my bedtime 'Coffy'. And so I hobble into my vinyl time machine, and return to the comfort of my Louis Armstrong Hot Five cylinders.

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vainandy said:

I think our glasses are all tinted by our experiences, and I try to combat that. After all, my parents told me that, though they enjoyed Prince, he reminded them of Sly. I'm kind of the same way you are, except in recent years, I've tried to give more types of music a chance and/or revisit music that I skipped earlier.

I find that, since 1985, there have been several very good artists come out, like Terrence Trent D'Arby, Jamiroquai, Radiohead, Lewis Taylor, Erykah Badu, Jill Scott, D'Angelo, Maxwell, et al. A few, like Beck, Public Enemy, A Tribe Called Quest, and Me'Shell Ndegeocello, I would consider to be great artists. Other very good artists, like OutKast, Lauryn Hill, Madvillain and Jazzanova, have made albums I consider to be "great."

But it's hard for me too, Miles, to find music or musicians I'd identify as great. Thank goodness for the internet, message boards, word of mouth, and in-store scans, because I haven't listened to the radio since I got out of school!

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Miles said:

Well, Sly and the Family/ GCS is probably Prince's single biggest influence, so they weren't far wrong!

I was slightly exaggerating for effect in my last post re. only liking good ol' music, and I do like certain 'newer' artists (ie. who've come up over the last 20 years or so). For example, I think TTD on form is one of the truly great soul singers, I also dig D'Angelo (lazy fellow that he is when it comes to releasing records ) and Femi Kuti.

There've been a few radio pop singles I've liked over recent years, from the likes of Moloko and Sophie Ellis Bextor among others - decent disposable pop stuff.

In fact, to broaden out my thoughts, I'd say the west African and Middle Eastern music scenes in recent years have been one of the most vibrant I know, with fantastic instrumentalists, singers and sounds. I also dig me some cool Indo-Electronica in a post-Miles vein from the Bill Laswell/ Zakir Hussain outfit 'Tabla Beat Science' among others. I don't care if it's 'pop' or not, but I like it.

I also like some of the more experimental Radiohead stuff (tho the whole 'bleak but beautiful' vibe gets a bit tedious over a whole album, and Thom Yorke is no great singer), the Flaming Lips, early Massive Attack and the Prodigy, also most of U2's '90s albums. And I will occasionally play a little prime era Public Enemy (for me, Last Poets/ Gil Scott Heron updated with a savage Bootsy era JB attitude), as well as OutKast and Common. And I must check out Lewis Taylor, who is much raved about in these parts.

And there's been the odd good jazz artist/ album over the last decade that I thought showed signed of genuine originality - such as the first couple of albums by Norwegian trumpeter Nils Petter Molvaer, which took the feel of Miles Davis' 'Get Up With It' album, espec.'He Loved Him Madly', and added Brian Eno-isms, more modern drum and bass beats and a crazed guitarist called Eivind Aarset, who is like the new Pete Cosey (Miles' mid-'70s guitar noise god) and the American trumpeter Dave Douglas's 'Freak In' album from a few years back too.

Whether any of this stuff will last is anyone's guess - Bjork imo is perhaps the nearest there has been to a pop genius in recent times and, with the exception of much of Bjork, TTD and some of Bill Laswell's outputs, I wouldn't call much of it 'great', but at least most of it is 'progressive' and creative.

I suppose it's a lot harder to be innovative when so much has already been done, and the current music industry scene and audience so fragmented and probably at its most conservative since the early 1950s, with no real signs of immediate change.

And as you say, there's always tons of old stuff to explore/ re-explore. For me, over the last two weeks, the Beatles' 'Abbey Road' has been welded into my CD player, after years of feeling a little so-so about it.

And to totally destroy any 'cool' credibility I may have, I also like country/ classic pop pastichers the Mavericks and their singer Raul Malo, a much underrated singer in the vein of early '60s Elvis in his 'Latin' style and Roy Orbison .

So, you could say I have multiple musical personalities, but I'm proud of it!!

Miles said:

I can get to that.



I can see TTD getting the greatness nod on his voice alone, he's got an incredible one. D'Angelo is disqualified for only putting out 2 albums in 12 years.



Yeah, I kinda dig the occasional single, too.



Got me there. Beyond some African 70's collections and Bebel Gilberto, my world music knowledge is limited.



I like Radiohead, and I think you'd also like their electronica counterpart, Jazzanova. I've revisited some 90's rock (Nirvana, Jeff Buckley), though the vast majority of what I've heard recently strikes me as twangy and boring (Wilco, Modest Mouse). On the hip-hop tip, I am more into it than I was in earlier years, having (re-)discovered cats like MF Doom, J Dilla, Madlib, and Lupe Fiasco. But the late 80's/early 90's is my favorite era.

You'd like Lewis' debut the best, I would guess.



I really liked Marc Cary's new album and I hear Glasper's album is good as well. Otherwise, I'm a hard-bop guy who is just starting to branch out into the post-bop world of the mid-to-late 60's and 70's.



I'd give Me'Shell the nod with Bitter and Beck the nod with Sea Change and Guero. Jazzanova's in between and Van Hunt's On The Jungle Floor may hold up over time, as well. My top vote to classic album for this decade has to go to Madvillainy, which comes closer than most any album since PE's Nation of Millions to completely reinventing hip-hop.



True indeed.



Still in that phase of digging through the "catalogues," particularly on the jazz side.



Far be it for a guy with Andy Gibb, the Bee Gees, Little River Band and The Soggy Bottom Boys on his iPod to question your "cool" credibility. And I also have a "Sybil"-type personality when it comes to music.

Since 1985, In the late 1980s, I liked Madame X, Trinere, LA Dream Team, The Egyptian Lover, Jody Watley's first solo album, the Prince protegees that went solo, etc.

In the 1990s, I loved Black Box, The 49ers, Crystal Waters, etc.

In the 2000s, I love Jamiroquai and that's about it. However, I didn't care for Jamiroquai's stuff from the 1990s. I mainly like his stuff from "A Funk Odyssey" to the present.

Jams have much more scarce than they were before 1985. As for midtempo stripped down shit hop, stripped down accoustical music, or artsy/fartsy jazz/R&B type artists, they bore the hell out of me. If it don't make my ass move, I ain't got no use for it. And that's what we need more of that we haven't in a long time.....music for the ass, not the mind.
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vainandy said:

Man, you've had a long, hard slog for the last 20 years, haven't you? Man, if you can't get to tracks like Soho's "Hot Music (Pal Joey Remix)," Me'Shell's "Pocketbook (Rockwilder Remix), Lisa Shaw's "Let It Ride" and "Cherry," and Talib Kweli's "Waitin' For The DJ," I feel for you. And those are tracks that I just listed off the dome!

I'd humbly commend this site. It might provide hope for you.

http://www.naked-music.com/

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namepeace said:

Yes, I sure have.




Thanks for the link, but the page that comes up on this computer is "Blocked By Websense". I only have access to computers at my job. I don't have a computer of my own.

Are those songs you listed uptempo? If so, do they have either real drums and bass? If they don't have real drums and bass, are the drum machines strong sounding drum machines (like Prince used to use or even the type of drum machines that were used in house music)? If they have those weak shit hop sounding drum machines or any shit hop influences whatsoever in the music, I already know I won't like the songs before I even hear them. I grew up on steak and I don't lower my standards and settle for hamburger, or even potted meat, just because the rest of the world does.

vainandy said:

A lot of it is uptempo, house-laced. It's not quite house, but if you like the old Black Box/Ten City stuff, you'll like a lot of the blue six, lisa shaw, miguel migs stuff as well.

I love Black Box so I'll be on the lookout for those folks.

Maybe this had already been said but personally it has nothing to do with me being a Prince fan.
I never gauge music I listen to based on Prince (or anyone else for that matter). For what?

I'm generally not impressed with anyone the public deems great.
Especially not in the last few decades.


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