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Sugar: The Best Unknown Band Ever After Husker Du, Bob Mould created Sugar, an amazing pop rock band that was ignored greatly. If anyone remembers If I Can't Change You Mind, you have to back me up when I say they died off too fast. | |
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i remember sugar, though i prefer bob mould's early solo stuff. i think 'black sheets of rain' and 'workbook' are killer albums. | |
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I have File Under Easy Listening and the Beaster lp and I liked them both a lot. I particularly loved Believe What You're Saying from FUEL. I don't think I'm familiar with the song you mentioned, though - that must be from their first album, which I don't believe I've ever heard.
i think 'black sheets of rain' and 'workbook' are killer albums.
I never quite got into Black Sheets of Rain, but I thought Workbook was a really great album. [Edited 4/13/07 20:06pm] | |
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brodiebanks said: After Husker Du, Bob Mould created Sugar, an amazing pop rock band that was ignored greatly. If anyone remembers If I Can't Change You Mind, you have to back me up when I say they died off too fast.
They weren't unknown in the UK. Copper Blue and Beaster sold very well here, and If I Can't Change Your Mind was a Top 20 hit. I don't think they died off too fast. They were on the wane with FUEL. Mould killed them before they turned, well, Mouldy. I rate both Copper Blue and the incendiary Beaster VERY highly. FUEL is good, but falls short of the first two albums, which are every bit as good as Husker Du's finest. Got to admit, Bob Mould is one HELL of an interesting artist. Dunno what to make of his latest excursions into dance music, but you've got to give him credit for obeying his muse. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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brodiebanks said: After Husker Du, Bob Mould created Sugar, an amazing pop rock band that was ignored greatly. If anyone remembers If I Can't Change You Mind, you have to back me up when I say they died off too fast.
I loved that song! I remember I had the song on a mixtape. I wish I had it on CD. Was there a video for it as well? I am trying to remember. I used to watch that alternative video show "120 Minutes" on MTV to hear music like this. | |
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Shapeshifter said: brodiebanks said: After Husker Du, Bob Mould created Sugar, an amazing pop rock band that was ignored greatly. If anyone remembers If I Can't Change You Mind, you have to back me up when I say they died off too fast.
They weren't unknown in the UK. Copper Blue and Beaster sold very well here, and If I Can't Change Your Mind was a Top 20 hit. I don't think they died off too fast. They were on the wane with FUEL. Mould killed them before they turned, well, Mouldy. I rate both Copper Blue and the incendiary Beaster VERY highly. FUEL is good, but falls short of the first two albums, which are every bit as good as Husker Du's finest. Got to admit, Bob Mould is one HELL of an interesting artist. Dunno what to make of his latest excursions into dance music, but you've got to give him credit for obeying his muse. Funny, I think FUEL's their best. It doesn't feel like its chasing the tail of grunge as much as those other albums. Your Favorite Thing  [Edited 4/14/07 8:48am] | |
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MendesCity said: Shapeshifter said: They weren't unknown in the UK. Copper Blue and Beaster sold very well here, and If I Can't Change Your Mind was a Top 20 hit. I don't think they died off too fast. They were on the wane with FUEL. Mould killed them before they turned, well, Mouldy. I rate both Copper Blue and the incendiary Beaster VERY highly. FUEL is good, but falls short of the first two albums, which are every bit as good as Husker Du's finest. Got to admit, Bob Mould is one HELL of an interesting artist. Dunno what to make of his latest excursions into dance music, but you've got to give him credit for obeying his muse. Funny, I think FUEL's their best. It doesn't feel like its chasing the tail of grunge as much as those other albums. Your Favorite Thing
[Edited 4/14/07 8:48am] CHASING THE TAIL OF GRUNGE! WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT WITH CARBOLIC ACID!!!! 
Bob Mould never chased anything in his life - except butch bald guys. Creatively the guy has never followed trends. He was and is and always will be his own man. Oh, and before you forget, no Husker Du, NO GRUNGE. If you doubt me, check out Candy Apple Grey or New Day Rising or Zen Arcade. [Edited 4/14/07 11:42am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: Bob Mould never chased anything in his life - except butch bald guys. Creatively the guy has never followed trends. He was and is and always will be his own man. Oh, and before you forget, no Husker Du, NO GRUNGE. If you doubt me, check out Candy Apple Grey or New Day Rising or Zen Arcade. I loves me some Husker Du, New Day Rising is a fave. But that's why Copper Blue seemed kind of trend-chasing to me...HD practically invented sludge and then when Nirvana went and made a mint from it, Sugar sort of tried to get a piece of that--not that I blame him for it! [Edited 4/14/07 12:08pm] | |
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MendesCity said: Shapeshifter said: Bob Mould never chased anything in his life - except butch bald guys. Creatively the guy has never followed trends. He was and is and always will be his own man. Oh, and before you forget, no Husker Du, NO GRUNGE. If you doubt me, check out Candy Apple Grey or New Day Rising or Zen Arcade. I loves me some Husker Du, New Day Rising is a fave. But that's why Copper Blue seemed kind of trend-chasing to me...HD practically invented sludge and then when Nirvana went and made a mint from it, Sugar sort of tried to get a piece of that--not that I blame him for it! I can see what you mean, but Sugar were only popular because they were at the right place at the right time, not by design. The last two Husker Du albums were fairly similar, soundwise, to the first two Sugar albums. Most of the songs were accessible too. Bob's two solo albums were VERY accessible, radio-friendly affairs. Ok, Black Sheets of Rain was the flipside to workbook, but it wasn't as bleak as In Utero. Grunge benefitted its other forebears - Henry Rollins went from small cult attraction to big cult attraction (for about ten minutes), and it effectively ressucitated Neil Young's career (the resurgence had started with El Dorado and Freedom, but he caught the wave with Ragged Glory), but he and not Bob Mould , decided to go the whole hog and ride the gravy train. Remember Mirrorball, cut with Pearl Jam? And Sleeps with Angels? [Edited 4/14/07 14:27pm] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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damosuzuki said: I have File Under Easy Listening and the Beaster lp and I liked them both a lot. I particularly loved Believe What You're Saying from FUEL. I don't think I'm familiar with the song you mentioned, though - that must be from their first album, which I don't believe I've ever heard.
i think 'black sheets of rain' and 'workbook' are killer albums.
I never quite got into Black Sheets of Rain, but I thought Workbook was a really great album. [Edited 4/13/07 20:06pm] Black Sheets is Workbook's flipside. It was also made in response to record company problems. Vrgin dropped him mid-way through the accompanying tour and he dropped his backing musicians and finished the tour solo, before going off and forming Sugar. It's a bleak, dark album, as its title suggests, but you should give it another go. On a rainy day. When you're feeling low. [Edited 4/14/07 14:27pm] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: MendesCity said: I loves me some Husker Du, New Day Rising is a fave. But that's why Copper Blue seemed kind of trend-chasing to me...HD practically invented sludge and then when Nirvana went and made a mint from it, Sugar sort of tried to get a piece of that--not that I blame him for it! I can see what you mean, but Sugar were only popular because they were at the right place at the right time, not by design. The last two Husker Du albums were fairly similar, soundwise, to the first two Sugar albums. Most of the songs were accessible too. Bob's two solo albums were VERY accessible, radio-friendly affairs. Ok, Black Sheets of Rain was the flipside to workbook, but it wasn't as bleak as In Utero. Grunge benefitted its other forebears - Henry Rollins went from small cult attraction to big cult attraction (for about ten minutes), and it effectively ressucitated Neil Young's career (the resurgence had started with El Dorado and Freedom, but he caught the wave with Ragged Glory), but he and not Bob Mould , decided to go the whole hog and ride the gravy train. Remember Mirrorball, cut with Pearl Jam? And Sleeps with Angels? [Edited 4/14/07 14:27pm] This conversation's made me want to dig out ALL these albums, to see how they've held up. | |
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