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Reply #60 posted 04/13/07 1:57pm

FuNkeNsteiN

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CinisterCee said:

TheKnowledge said:

I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards.


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No way I can take this guy seriously after this bs:
http://www.prince.org/msg...sg_4396666

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It is not known why FuNkeNsteiN capitalizes his name as he does, though some speculate sunlight deficiency caused by the most pimpified white guy afro in Nordic history.

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Reply #61 posted 04/13/07 2:01pm

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FuNkeNsteiN said:

CinisterCee said:



neutral

No way I can take this guy seriously after this bs:
http://www.prince.org/msg...sg_4396666

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Nirvana's Nevermind

The greatest album ever?

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Reply #62 posted 04/13/07 2:07pm

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I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards.


Oh yes, oh Caiaphas of the Music Sanhedrin, enlighten and bless us, in the name of the Nevermind, the Grohl, and Holy Cobain.

Are you serious, son?

No, no, really . . . are you serious?
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Reply #63 posted 04/13/07 2:11pm

TheKnowledge

Don't take me seriously, I certainly don't take this stuff seriously, You obviously feel the need to research me for some reason, taking me more seriously than I ever would your goodself.
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Reply #64 posted 04/13/07 2:18pm

Miles

TheKnowledge said:

I find it amusing that people try to point me in the direction of albums that might change my mind. I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards.


While I agree that Wonder songs like 'Isn't She Lovely' (Album version espec.) and 'You Are the Sunshine of my Life' are schloky MOR mush, as for the above statement -

In my long experience of this board, when you get beyond the obigatory Michael/ Janet Jackson obsessives and the like, there's some of the most interesting, good-natured and non-pompous posters and posts I've yet found anywhere on the net. smile

Oh yeah, and Weather Report's 'Heavy Weather' and 'Black Market' never cease to 'unmove' me - they are merely 'good'.
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Reply #65 posted 04/13/07 2:52pm

namepeace

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Don't take me seriously, I certainly don't take this stuff seriously, You obviously feel the need to research me for some reason, taking me more seriously than I ever would your goodself.


I didn't research you beyond this thread. And I won't take you seriously, as there are really no "right" or "wrong" opinions. Just opinions, for debate.
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Reply #66 posted 04/13/07 3:19pm

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TheKnowledge said:

And Why doesn't anyone ever point out that He hasn't do nothin is just Superstition rewritten.

Because it isn't.
"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis
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Reply #67 posted 04/14/07 2:28am

LittleSmedley

TheKnowledge said:

I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards



Yeah?... Music knowledge wise, I could tear u a new asshole The Knowledge... Let's set this motherfucker off razz
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Reply #68 posted 04/15/07 2:47am

TheKnowledge

LittleSmedley said:

TheKnowledge said:

I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards



Yeah?... Music knowledge wise, I could tear u a new asshole The Knowledge... Let's set this motherfucker off razz



Well from the language you use I would guess I am older than you maybe. I'm 44. So this would put me at an advantage.

I guess we need a quiz. What would you say your stronget era/Genre would be?
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Reply #69 posted 04/15/07 3:05am

TonyVanDam

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Radiohead - OK Computer

Nirvana - In Utero

D'Angelo - Voodoo
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Reply #70 posted 04/15/07 4:48am

calldapplwonde
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Why are people here dissing Stevie's "Isn't She Lovely?" ??? mad
That song is pure joy!
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Reply #71 posted 04/15/07 6:09am

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I never understood these:














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Reply #72 posted 04/15/07 7:05am

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Huh ?

Who ever said Justin Timberlake's album was a classic ? confused


And Revolver is great
Not to keen on Let It Be tho indeed
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Reply #73 posted 04/15/07 7:53am

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TheKnowledge said:

What about You Are The Sunshine in my Life or Isn't she lovely or Heaven is Ten Zillion miles away, cringe inducing AOR.

I have heard The so called great 1970's albums I woked in A record store for about five years and my boss was well into Wonder. I find it amusing that people try to point me in the direction of albums that might change my mind. I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards.

Back on topic they have there momemnts grated but also choc full and wishy washy stuff.

And Why doesn't anyone ever point out that He hasn't do nothin is just Superstition rewritten.

I'll Try to be Positive and the songs I remeber liking were Maybe Your Baby, Superstition, Higher Ground,Jesus Children Of America, They Wont Go when I go And some others I remeber liking Innervisons the most. Songs inthe Key of Life is AOR at it's worse. And What about Happy Birthday Come on it's just anoying.


See, if you are looking at these records as individual tracks you are missing half the point. The classic SW LPs are classic because the sum if FAR more than parts. It is unthinkable to me to listen to "you are the sunshine of my life" without listening to the entire album. SW has put down on wax some of the illest segueways known to man but that goes right by you if your focus is "songs". I think your problem is you have a brief attention span. Stevie Wonder is a spiritual master, his classic LPs cannot be evaluated from the standpoint of soundbytes. To look at his work that way is to miss the point.
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Reply #74 posted 04/15/07 8:26am

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TheKnowledge said:

What about You Are The Sunshine in my Life or Isn't she lovely or Heaven is Ten Zillion miles away, cringe inducing AOR.

I have heard The so called great 1970's albums I woked in A record store for about five years and my boss was well into Wonder. I find it amusing that people try to point me in the direction of albums that might change my mind. I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards.

Back on topic they have there momemnts grated but also choc full and wishy washy stuff.

And Why doesn't anyone ever point out that He hasn't do nothin is just Superstition rewritten.

I'll Try to be Positive and the songs I remeber liking were Maybe Your Baby, Superstition, Higher Ground,Jesus Children Of America, They Wont Go when I go And some others I remeber liking Innervisons the most. Songs inthe Key of Life is AOR at it's worse. And What about Happy Birthday Come on it's just anoying.

Those songs you talk about have an underlining meaning; "You are the Sunsine of My Life", "Isn't she Lovely" and "Mon Cherie Armour" are basically songs he sang for the birth of his daughter, and he was basically singing about what parents, friends and family feel and say at the birth of a child. "Happy Birthday" was to celebrate honouring the Late Martin Luther King's birthday becoming a National Holiday in America. His songs even the most cheesy have far more meaning than the songs by the overrated Beatles such as "I wanna hold your hand" or "she loves ya". wink I mean how cheesy and karoke are those songs.
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Reply #75 posted 04/15/07 8:57am

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calldapplwondery83 said:

Why are people here dissing Stevie's "Isn't She Lovely?" ??? mad
That song is pure joy!

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Reply #76 posted 04/15/07 9:08am

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Overrated Beatles ? disbelief


In those days you couldn't sing about sex
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Reply #77 posted 04/15/07 9:35am

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I never understood these:



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That album makes me want to cry. And not because I’m overwhelmed...
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Reply #78 posted 04/15/07 10:17am

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TheKnowledge said:

What about You Are The Sunshine in my Life or Isn't she lovely or Heaven is Ten Zillion miles away, cringe inducing AOR..


Admittedly ISL? goes on for entirely too long. Self-indulgent song about his daughter. What can you say, but I absolutlely love those other two songs despite their sappy AOR nature.



TheKnowledge said:

And Why doesn't anyone ever point out that He hasn't do nothin is just Superstition rewritten.


That's always been pretty apparent. The boat just arrive at your dock? eek

TheKnowledge said:

What about Happy Birthday Come on it's just anoying.


You've totally missed the context of commemorating MLK day as a national holiday. cool
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Reply #79 posted 04/15/07 11:58am

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PFunkjazz said:

TheKnowledge said:

What about You Are The Sunshine in my Life or Isn't she lovely or Heaven is Ten Zillion miles away, cringe inducing AOR..


Admittedly ISL? goes on for entirely too long. Self-indulgent song about his daughter. What can you say, but I absolutlely love those other two songs despite their sappy AOR nature.

AFAIC, all three are absolutely perfect songs that are sentimental without ever going anywhere close to "sappy" or "cringe-inducing."

And exactly what is it about "You Haven't Done Nothing" that makes it a re-write of "Superstition"? I can definitely see similarities (outside of them both being funky), but not enough to think he was reusing an old idea. At any rate, the final outcome was 2 amazing songs, so I'm not complaining. I actually prefer "You Haven't Done Nothing."
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Reply #80 posted 04/15/07 12:20pm

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all three are absolutely perfect songs that are sentimental without ever going anywhere close to "sappy" or "cringe-inducing."
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Reply #81 posted 04/15/07 12:30pm

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TheKnowledge said:


And Why doesn't anyone ever point out that He hasn't do nothin is just Superstition rewritten.
I'll Try to be Positive and the songs I remeber liking were Maybe Your Baby, Superstition, Higher Ground,Jesus Children Of America, They Wont Go when I go And some others I remeber liking Innervisons the most. Songs inthe Key of Life is AOR at it's worse. And What about Happy Birthday Come on it's just anoying.

it is Superstition rewritten, that's true.
Songs in the key... is a very tiring mellowish record, i agree.
Happy Birthday annoys me, too.

but

TheKnowledge said:

I am extremley well listened and would dare to say my musical knowledge far out strips the vast majority of people who frequent these boards.

i don't think it's a good attitude, man. you're very full of yourself. there are better ways to present an opinion. this way you only discredit yourself.
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Reply #82 posted 04/15/07 12:38pm

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exactly what is it about "You Haven't Done Nothing" that makes it a re-write of "Superstition"? I can definitely see similarities (outside of them both being funky), but not enough to think he was reusing an old idea. At any rate, the final outcome was 2 amazing songs, so I'm not complaining. I actually prefer "You Haven't Done Nothing."


It's such a common and tiresome complaint, I don't even bother but it's actually a blending of the beat fom "Superstition" and the theme from "Big Brother". Overall, I'm not so sure which album his complaint is about.
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Reply #83 posted 04/15/07 12:55pm

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This thread needs to be locked, damnit! If I have to read another negative comment about any of Stevie's 70s albums, I will raise hell! mad
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Reply #84 posted 04/15/07 2:12pm

Miles

mancabdriver said:

silverchild said:

I never understood these:



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That album makes me want to cry. And not because I’m overwhelmed...


I'm with you all the way. I've have never, ever seen what's so special about the Velvet Underground or Lou Reed. John Cale's had the odd moment, but he left the Velvets to do them biggrin . Proto-punk whatever-they're-supposed-to-be's. The Kinks and the Who had more to do with (or are more to blame for wink ) Punk's origins imo.
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Reply #85 posted 04/15/07 2:17pm

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Miles said:

mancabdriver said:



That album makes me want to cry. And not because I’m overwhelmed...


I'm with you all the way. I've have never, ever seen what's so special about the Velvet Underground or Lou Reed. John Cale's had the odd moment, but he left the Velvets to do them biggrin . Proto-punk whatever-they're-supposed-to-be's. The Kinks and the Who had more to do with (or are more to blame for wink ) Punk's origins imo.


What about Nico biggrin just kidding, and Lou Reed, don't you think Walk on the Wild side is like a great pop song?
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Reply #86 posted 04/15/07 2:49pm

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AlexdeParis said:

PFunkjazz said:



Admittedly ISL? goes on for entirely too long. Self-indulgent song about his daughter. What can you say, but I absolutlely love those other two songs despite their sappy AOR nature.

AFAIC, all three are absolutely perfect songs that are sentimental without ever going anywhere close to "sappy" or "cringe-inducing."

And exactly what is it about "You Haven't Done Nothing" that makes it a re-write of "Superstition"? I can definitely see similarities (outside of them both being funky), but not enough to think he was reusing an old idea. At any rate, the final outcome was 2 amazing songs, so I'm not complaining. I actually prefer "You Haven't Done Nothing."


I'll just come to this guy's defense SOMEWHAT by saying that apart from Innervisions, all of Stevie's albums grew on me rather than wowing me the first time I heard them.

That however is all the more proof of their greatness to me. Yes, even in his prime Stevie was pretty sentimental but it was SINCERE, heartfelt sentimentality and positivism but that's different from "sap" if you ask me. Yes, some of his ballads or love songs come across as sappy or MOR the first time you hear them, butI think it's just because they're almost TOO accesible and melodic and actually hide a lot of their musical merit: sophisticated chord progressions, complex harmonies, interesting rhythms (Sunshine for example has much more rhythmic character than any other song of that nature I can think of). Even the sappiest songs in his prime era have very well-written melodies and arrangements. Love's in Need of Love Today is probably my least favorite song on SITKOL and even it has a lot of interesting dynamics and I remember hearing that many symphonic musicians were surprised at how complex its chords really were when they actually had to play them.

And yes, I do think the albums are also more than the sum of their parts, which again is all the more proof of how great an album artist Stevie is (or was). For example, I know for a fact that I would listen to Sunshine much less without knowing that Maybe Your Baby is right after it-both songs complement each other in their contrast so well, same with "all in love is far" and "don't you worry bout a thing" or "Pasttime Paradise" and "summersoft" or "Love Having You Around" and "Superwoman".
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Reply #87 posted 04/15/07 3:33pm

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AlexdeParis said:


AFAIC, all three are absolutely perfect songs that are sentimental without ever going anywhere close to "sappy" or "cringe-inducing."

And exactly what is it about "You Haven't Done Nothing" that makes it a re-write of "Superstition"? I can definitely see similarities (outside of them both being funky), but not enough to think he was reusing an old idea. At any rate, the final outcome was 2 amazing songs, so I'm not complaining. I actually prefer "You Haven't Done Nothing."


I'll just come to this guy's defense SOMEWHAT by saying that apart from Innervisions, all of Stevie's albums grew on me rather than wowing me the first time I heard them.

That however is all the more proof of their greatness to me. Yes, even in his prime Stevie was pretty sentimental but it was SINCERE, heartfelt sentimentality and positivism but that's different from "sap" if you ask me. Yes, some of his ballads or love songs come across as sappy or MOR the first time you hear them, butI think it's just because they're almost TOO accesible and melodic and actually hide a lot of their musical merit: sophisticated chord progressions, complex harmonies, interesting rhythms (Sunshine for example has much more rhythmic character than any other song of that nature I can think of). Even the sappiest songs in his prime era have very well-written melodies and arrangements. Love's in Need of Love Today is probably my least favorite song on SITKOL and even it has a lot of interesting dynamics and I remember hearing that many symphonic musicians were surprised at how complex its chords really were when they actually had to play them.

And yes, I do think the albums are also more than the sum of their parts, which again is all the more proof of how great an album artist Stevie is (or was). For example, I know for a fact that I would listen to Sunshine much less without knowing that Maybe Your Baby is right after it-both songs complement each other in their contrast so well, same with "all in love is far" and "don't you worry bout a thing" or "Pasttime Paradise" and "summersoft" or "Love Having You Around" and "Superwoman".

Outside of the fact that I liked the albums immediately, I agree wholeheartedly with your entire post. nod
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Reply #88 posted 04/16/07 2:11am

LittleSmedley

TheKnowledge said:

LittleSmedley said:



Yeah?... Music knowledge wise, I could tear u a new asshole The Knowledge... Let's set this motherfucker off razz



Well from the language you use I would guess I am older than you maybe. I'm 44. So this would put me at an advantage.

I guess we need a quiz. What would you say your stronget era/Genre would be?


lol i am a very uncouth 33 year old, but yes, a quiz would be an excellent idea. I'm into Nirvana, btw. I'm on one of their albums, "by the muddy banks of the wishkah"...i'm in the 40,000 strong crowd on "tourette's". If u listen closely, u can just about pick out my voice, it's the high falsetto smile still waiting for the royalty cheque
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Reply #89 posted 04/16/07 7:27am

CinisterCee

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TheKnowledge said:




Well from the language you use I would guess I am older than you maybe. I'm 44. So this would put me at an advantage.

I guess we need a quiz. What would you say your stronget era/Genre would be?


lol i am a very uncouth 33 year old, but yes, a quiz would be an excellent idea. I'm into Nirvana, btw. I'm on one of their albums, "by the muddy banks of the wishkah"...i'm in the 40,000 strong crowd on "tourette's". If u listen closely, u can just about pick out my voice, it's the high falsetto smile still waiting for the royalty cheque


I thought you were one of the "Another Brick In The Wall" kids. smile
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