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phunkdaddy said: Toni toni tone did better mixing their style with the hip hop element and reaching that crowd but mint condition is way better live than toni toni tone ever was. In fact just last year, mint, the tonies, rftw, and silk did a show in atlanta and raphael sadiqq wasn't even a part of the tonies they had some other dude named cousin something singing lead.
So we're using performances a decade after their primes as a barometer? That's laughable -- especially Raphael Saddiq doesn't perform with Tony! Toni! Tone! any more (the band itself reformed recently). phunkdaddy said: When you go see mint perform live, they give you far more than what you get on the album.
The one time I have seen Mint Condition live (1996 in CHarlotte, N.C.), people were more than happy to get them off the stage. Stokely went into some wild-sounding rock tirade and people were looking like "WTF?" phunkdaddy said: The tonies would not even have the balls to put rock songs on their album. Mint Condition is far more creative than the tonies.
That must be why every Mint Condition hit song was a ballad, and as the group's career progressed it started becoming more tame. Compare that with a group that mixed hip-hop, old school soul, gospel and other forms of popular black music. phunkdaddy said: Also let's not forget the jazz and latin infusion that mint adds to some of their songs and ewf like interludes in between songs which the tonies weren't adept at.
It certainly doesn't show in their most memorable songs -- "Forever in Your Eyes," "Breakin' My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes)," "U Send Me Swinging," "Someone to Love," etc. -- mostly typical R&B ballads. The reality is Mint Condition were only good at making ballads. The majority of their other stuff was stiff and rather generic -- if you like generic influences. [Edited 4/22/07 19:45pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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ThePunisher said: I agree with you. Mint Condition was a better band. But the Tonies had the hits, and that's what counts in the business. It could be that their record company worked harder for them then Mint Condition's did.
How about that people liked Tony! Toni! Tone! better overall, based on the response to their music? Mint Condition had hit songs, but the problem is they showed very obviously they were less than enthusiastic making anything besides a ballad. With Tone! Tony! Tone!, the group made some great uptempo songs. And the sampling thing is being overplayed here. The sampling was little more than sonic tweaks to the prodcution; the group played instruments on all their songs. Songs like "Feels Good" used sequencing, but you're acting like their sound had no originality to stand on its own. The majority of their songs were performed without sampling and could stand on their own. Like I said, call me when Mint Condition can make a fast song ... the group only has had 15 years to prove it can. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: phunkdaddy said: Toni toni tone did better mixing their style with the hip hop element and reaching that crowd but mint condition is way better live than toni toni tone ever was. In fact just last year, mint, the tonies, rftw, and silk did a show in atlanta and raphael sadiqq wasn't even a part of the tonies they had some other dude named cousin something singing lead.
So we're using performances a decade after their primes as a barometer? That's laughable -- especially Raphael Saddiq doesn't perform with Tony! Toni! Tone! any more (the band itself reformed recently). That must be why every Mint Condition hit song was a ballad, and as the group's career progressed it started becoming more tame. Compare that with a group that mixed hip-hop, old school soul, gospel and other forms of popular black music. phunkdaddy said: Also let's not forget the jazz and latin infusion that mint adds to some of their songs and ewf like interludes in between songs which the tonies weren't adept at.
It certainly doesn't show in their most memorable songs -- "Forever in Your Eyes," "Breakin' My Heart (Pretty Brown Eyes)," "U Send Me Swinging," "Someone to Love," etc. -- mostly typical R&B ballads. The reality is Mint Condition were only good at making ballads. The majority of their other stuff was stiff and rather generic -- if you like generic influences. [Edited 4/22/07 19:45pm] Well the one time you saw them in charlotte in 1996 they may have been opening for some bullshit artist like keith sweat or playing along side dru hill whose audience can't appreciate mint condition anyway since you seem to be going back 10 years yourself. I just saw mint condition in charlotte jan.2007 and charlotte appreciated the hell out of them. Also saw them in Atlanta twice since 2005. Yes forever in your eyes does have a jazz element to it even more so live because jeff allen breaks into a 8 to 10 minute solo on sax. If you actually listened to some of mint's albums you could easily here the jazz elements on album interludes as well as their latest living the luxury brown. Yes most of mint hit songs were ballads because that's what their previous record companies had been pushing and that's what a lot of their female fan base had been accustomed to. Remember mint condition never catered to the hip hop audience and any knowledgeble music fan should know that. The tonies did cater to the hip hop audience and that is why sales wise the tonies have been more successful. I know for a fact that some older women did not like the tonies except for a few of their ballads like anniversary and it never rains in southern california. They like myself did not care for wack shit they did like baby doll, little walter, and if i had no loot. Just because mint condition did not have a chart topping uptempo songs doesn't mean the band don't funk. The band plays some of their funk jams in concert as well as the ballads that their fans want to hear. I am not saying you or the majority has to agree with me but most music lovers will agree that mint is the better band and has more diversity than the tonies. In fact mint is relevant right now while the tonies are not. Mint Condition is currently touring and fans are traveling to see the band while the tonies are still in hibernation. Don't laugh at my funk
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phunkdaddy said: Well the one time you saw them in charlotte in 1996 they may have been opening for some bullshit artist like keith sweat or playing along side dru hill whose audience can't appreciate mint condition anyway since you seem to be going back 10 years yourself.
Mint Condition opened for The Isley Brothers -- and I doubt anyone would call Ronnie, Ernie and Marvin (before diabetes forced his legs to be amputated) a bullshit act. You're simply talking out of turn in order to make some weak point -- thus officially losing credibility. This sounds obviously like a case of someone trying to revise history (and assuming people are so oblivious to it that you can manufacture one -- for instance, not listening to all their albums) in the classic "I'm the smartest person in the room/people who don't like what I like are mindless cows" mindset. In your myopic universe, it's one where Mint Condition was more than a marginally successful soul band who could score hits only with ballads (albeit some good ones). [Edited 5/7/07 19:37pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: phunkdaddy said: Well the one time you saw them in charlotte in 1996 they may have been opening for some bullshit artist like keith sweat or playing along side dru hill whose audience can't appreciate mint condition anyway since you seem to be going back 10 years yourself.
Mint Condition opened for The Isley Brothers -- and I doubt anyone would call Ronnie, Ernie and Marvin (before diabetes forced his legs to be amputated) a bullshit act. You're simply talking out of turn in order to make some weak point -- thus officially losing credibility. This sounds obviously like a case of someone trying to revise history (and assuming people are so oblivious to it that you can manufacture one -- for instance, not listening to all their albums) in the classic "I'm the smartest person in the room/people who don't like what I like are mindless cows" mindset. In your myopic universe, it's one where Mint Condition was more than a marginally successful soul band who could score hits only with ballads (albeit some good ones). [Edited 5/7/07 19:37pm] I suppose you studied music in college. You are the one who comes on this forum and argue every little point to prove something. All i stated was mint condition was just more than a ballad band. Just because most of their hit singles were ballads doesn't mean they were strictly a ballad band. I don't have to manufacture anything dude, it ain't that important. This is just a forum, not a college course where i am being graded especially by the likes of you. And speaking of not listening to all their albums, if you listen to mint's debut album they were only 3 ballads on that album and 2 of them which happened to be singles. The first single from the album are you free was an uptempo song that flopped because it had the minneapolis sound which was all but dead in 1991-1992. The rest of the album was strictly uptempo. Trust me any true mint condition fan like me knows that. Their first album was funkier than the rest of their cd's because by the second cd, ballads had become their niche. This thread had been dead for a couple of weeks dude, don't you have something else to talk about like crying about why someone called beyonce a whore.  [Edited 5/7/07 19:58pm] Don't laugh at my funk
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That must be why you're whining about Mint Condition on a thread dedicated to Tony! Toni! Tone! -- and emphasis on the whining part, son. I'm sorry, I missed the disclaimer on this site regarding when is it too late to comment on threads -- I work for a living, so excuse me if I didn't respond to your lame rationale earlier.
Your final remark about some thread where I and several people commented months ago -- in a conversation that didn't involve you, I might add -- only reinforces your pettiness and childishness. Maybe instead of being unprofessional, you should concentrate on comments relevant at hand. But I guess the anonymity of the Internet affords you a protection intrinsic with not having to face anyone in person. Maybe instead of trying to come with some childish rationalization on why people at a concert you didn't attend didn't go ga-ga over Mint Condition (and playing yourself in the process by trying to explain how "exquisite" your taste is), maybe you can ask Mint Condition to make a decent fast song once in their career (and yes, son, I have all their albums). And after all, it's not like you can do anything about what and when I post -- can you, son? [Edited 5/7/07 20:36pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! For starting this thread for one of the greatest groups, period, of all time. I have every Tony, Toni, Tone' album(or cd) including the hits cd. I love their style and grace. My favorite album is Sons of Soul by far. Leading the way for me is "Anniversary", "Leavin", "Slow Wine", "My Ex Girlfriend", and "Lay Your Head on My Pillow". Revival would be 2nd on my list then House of Music and Who. I love them all though. To me there's not a band who is more creative than TTT. Some of you mentioned Mint Condition and Guy. They're good but they can't diverse in genres as well as TTT. So TTT gets my applause  and a bow  for bringing us great music and I hope they bring us more.  Peace and be wild! | |
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it's funny how this thread, for the most part, has turned into a debate over TTT vs. Mint Condition. To me, I love both, but I prefer TTT over the Mint anyday. I can listen to more songs of the 4 albums that TTT put out than the Mint even though they have put out more albums than TTT. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Najee said: That must be why you're whining about Mint Condition on a thread dedicated to Tony! Toni! Tone! -- and emphasis on the whining part, son. I'm sorry, I missed the disclaimer on this site regarding when is it too late to comment on threads -- I work for a living, so excuse me if I didn't respond to your lame rationale earlier.
Your final remark about some thread where I and several people commented months ago -- in a conversation that didn't involve you, I might add -- only reinforces your pettiness and childishness. Maybe instead of being unprofessional, you should concentrate on comments relevant at hand. But I guess the anonymity of the Internet affords you a protection intrinsic with not having to face anyone in person. Maybe instead of trying to come with some childish rationalization on why people at a concert you didn't attend didn't go ga-ga over Mint Condition (and playing yourself in the process by trying to explain how "exquisite" your taste is), maybe you can ask Mint Condition to make a decent fast song once in their career (and yes, son, I have all their albums). And after all, it's not like you can do anything about what and when I post -- can you, son? [Edited 5/7/07 20:36pm] Just who the hell you think you are dude. All i did was respond to a thread with my opinion. You seem to have a personal problem shakespeare. You got your ass so far on your shoulder, you think you are the only person that has knowledge about anything on this board. Oh you work for a living! No shit! I guess the rest of us just sit here and watch football games and pick our noses. Dude you are a waste of time. Just for the record, the internet doesn't afford me anything dude.I don't come here looking to pick a cyber fight. I am a married man and have far better things to do. The internet affords you anonymity since you act as though you are Ali on the forum. You are the only one that argue everyone's opinion on the forum and you go digging for information that most people could care less about. I don't know or care what planet you come from but don't come talking trash like i am or anyone else on this forum supposed to be afraid of you. I don't know you or care to know you. You are the one that's being petty and i would appreciate it if you didn't respond to anymore of my posts since you seem incapable of having a decent conversation on this forum without woofing some nonsense. C Ya wouldn't wanna b Ya! [Edited 5/8/07 9:28am] Don't laugh at my funk
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bboy87 said: Dwayne is ALWAYS around Oakland. I think he got a special award at this year's Black Music Awards and showed up with an entourage
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phunkdaddy said: Najee said: That must be why you're whining about Mint Condition on a thread dedicated to Tony! Toni! Tone! -- and emphasis on the whining part, son. I'm sorry, I missed the disclaimer on this site regarding when is it too late to comment on threads -- I work for a living, so excuse me if I didn't respond to your lame rationale earlier.
Your final remark about some thread where I and several people commented months ago -- in a conversation that didn't involve you, I might add -- only reinforces your pettiness and childishness. Maybe instead of being unprofessional, you should concentrate on comments relevant at hand. But I guess the anonymity of the Internet affords you a protection intrinsic with not having to face anyone in person. Maybe instead of trying to come with some childish rationalization on why people at a concert you didn't attend didn't go ga-ga over Mint Condition (and playing yourself in the process by trying to explain how "exquisite" your taste is), maybe you can ask Mint Condition to make a decent fast song once in their career (and yes, son, I have all their albums). And after all, it's not like you can do anything about what and when I post -- can you, son? [Edited 5/7/07 20:36pm] Just who the hell you think you are dude. All i did was respond to a thread with my opinion. You seem to have a personal problem shakespeare. You got your ass so far on your shoulder, you think you are the only person that has knowledge about anything on this board. Oh you work for a living! No shit! I guess the rest of us just sit here and watch football games and pick our noses. Dude you are a waste of time. Just for the record, the internet doesn't afford me anything dude.I don't come here looking to pick a cyber fight. I am a married man and have far better things to do. The internet affords you anonymity since you act as though you are Ali on the forum. You are the only one that argue everyone's opinion on the forum and you go digging for information that most people could care less about. I don't know or care what planet you come from but don't come talking trash like i am or anyone else on this forum supposed to be afraid of you. I don't know you or care to know you. You are the one that's being petty and i would appreciate it if you didn't respond to anymore of my posts since you seem incapable of having a decent conversation on this forum without woofing some nonsense. C Ya wouldn't wanna b Ya! [Edited 5/8/07 9:28am] okay you two, now now, let's let bygones be bygones. It's not that serious okay, bottom line is TTT is a great band, the Mint is a great band as well. Everybody has a preference. Okay, let's squash this already huh????  I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Afronomical said: bboy87 said: Dwayne is ALWAYS around Oakland. I think he got a special award at this year's Black Music Awards and showed up with an entourage
Don't he have a coffee shop up there? does he? gosh what i wouldn't give to meet those guys in person  I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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missfee said: Afronomical said: Don't he have a coffee shop up there? does he? gosh what i wouldn't give to meet those guys in person Yeah I heard he does. Make Afros not War | |
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Afronomical said: missfee said: does he? gosh what i wouldn't give to meet those guys in person Yeah I heard he does. He's always around here. I have to look into the coffee shop but I do know he gets paid  Whenever there's a youth/local festival or celebration, he's there. I think one of his kids(I think his daughter) is starting a music career"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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bboy87 said: Afronomical said: Yeah I heard he does. He's always around here. I have to look into the coffee shop but I do know he gets paid Whenever there's a youth/local festival or celebration, he's there. I think one of his kids(I think his daughter) is starting a music careerYeah I heard he throws like a soul music fest up that way, is that true? Make Afros not War | |
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missfee said: phunkdaddy said: Just who the hell you think you are dude. All i did was respond to a thread with my opinion. You seem to have a personal problem shakespeare. You got your ass so far on your shoulder, you think you are the only person that has knowledge about anything on this board. Oh you work for a living! No shit! I guess the rest of us just sit here and watch football games and pick our noses. Dude you are a waste of time. Just for the record, the internet doesn't afford me anything dude.I don't come here looking to pick a cyber fight. I am a married man and have far better things to do. The internet affords you anonymity since you act as though you are Ali on the forum. You are the only one that argue everyone's opinion on the forum and you go digging for information that most people could care less about. I don't know or care what planet you come from but don't come talking trash like i am or anyone else on this forum supposed to be afraid of you. I don't know you or care to know you. You are the one that's being petty and i would appreciate it if you didn't respond to anymore of my posts since you seem incapable of having a decent conversation on this forum without woofing some nonsense. C Ya wouldn't wanna b Ya! [Edited 5/8/07 9:28am] okay you two, now now, let's let bygones be bygones. It's not that serious okay, bottom line is TTT is a great band, the Mint is a great band as well. Everybody has a preference. Okay, let's squash this already huh???? Fair enough. I'm cool with that. I'll pass on the group hug though dawg.
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phunkdaddy said: missfee said: okay you two, now now, let's let bygones be bygones. It's not that serious okay, bottom line is TTT is a great band, the Mint is a great band as well. Everybody has a preference. Okay, let's squash this already huh???? Fair enough. I'm cool with that. I'll pass on the group hug though dawg.
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I've been digging 3T since way back. My mom used to book the entertainment for San Jose's Juneteenth (back when it used to be about something early 80's) I remember them saying that they were gonna make it big. I thought at the time that they would do something great. This was still around when they were pushing demos everywhere. Just Call Me Afrochick
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alot of drama on this thread! There's no need to turn this into a heated argument.It's just a difference of opinion.Both bands are well-respected and greatly admired by people on this site.I think we have too many comparison threads on this site....too many "my favorite band is better than your favorite band"-type discussions.Come on,we're supposed to be having FUN! | |
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