Najee said: WildStyle said: I never said (Michael Jackson's children) resembled him. Not once.
You said "I don't know whether they are biologically his or not." The problem with any MJ zealot's logic in the discussion whether Michael Jackson fathered those children is refuted by the reality that virtually all of us have seen or know someone who is the product of a black parent/white parent union, and they mostly have these physical characteristics: * relative darker skin tone compared to a Caucasian's * thick, curly hair * darker hair (usually black, but in some cases brown) Those children MJ is trying to pass off as his biological offspring have very Aryan features -- skin tone, straight hair and in one child's case blond hair. Even if one parent is blond-haired and/or blue-eyed, the child isn't going to have those features -- all one has to do is look at O.J. Simpson's children and the offspring from Heidi Klum and Seal, who all share the above physical traits. I used to work with a girl who looked white with European features, and her dad was black like Eddie Murphy or Wesley Snipes. It is possible for a bi-racial person to look white. It's not common, but not as uncommon as you may think. There is the racial streotype of bi-racial people, that the they are black because the black gene is suppossed to be dominant and the white gene weak. Which is why people have a hard time accepting the fact white looking bi-racial people of black descent exist. Michael Jackson's son Prince has the same shape face (ie jawline and cheek bones) Michael had as kid. And he has Michael Jackson's big soulfull brown eyes. In Michael Jackson's fathers autobiography, he father Joesph reveals the family are also of Native American and descent. Joesph Jackson is lighter than all his children, with green eyes | |
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DarlingDiana said: Najee said: Here are pictures of Michael Jackson in 1979: There is nothing smooth about his skin there; it's the same as the picture you posted. Furthermore, these are pictures of MJ without makeup, so if MJ had signs of vitiligo by this stage then it is not evident on these photos. You're not looking very closely. Check out his chest in both pictures. The photos are from 1978. Michael's nose was slimmer at the start of The Jacksons Destiny Tour in January 1979. | |
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Najee said: WildStyle said: I don't know much about genetics. I'm not even gonna go there. If you are asking my opinion as to whether they are biologically his... I would say no I don't think so. Like I said, I'm not gonna say 100% either way. Is that so outrageous?
You don't have to be a geneticist, just have common sense via experience and observation. Unless you live in a complete vacuum, you have seen offspring of black/white unions. Look at Lenny Kravitz (black mother/white male), for example. Does he any of those similarities with Michael Jackson's children? Look at Seal's (black male) offspring with model Heidi Klum (blond-haired white German woman) or O.J. Simpson's children with his late ex-wife Nicole (antoher blond-haired white woman). They all have those same characteristics I named -- in Kravitz's case, his are more pronounced. Yet MJ's "children" clearly don't have any of those biracial characteristics. Not all black/white biracials look racially like Lenny Kravitz. Also Lenny Kravitz is a black/jewish biracial. | |
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Isolar said: There is the racial streotype of bi-racial people, that the they are black because the black gene is suppossed to be dominant and the white gene weak. Which is why people have a hard time accepting the fact white looking bi-racial people of black descent exist.
I don't call a biracial child from a black/white union "black" -- that has roots in slavery, where anyone who is 1/16th African ancestry was considered "black." IMO, they are equally of both ancestry. Isolar said: Michael Jackson's son Prince has the same shape face (ie jawline and cheek bones) Michael had as kid.
You can't be serious. The child has no racial commonality with MJ at all -- unless you think obivously white skin with no brown tone and straight blond hair is similar to MJ. Isolar said: And he has Michael Jackson's big soulfull brown eyes.
Young children have proportionately larger eyes at birth. Isolar said: In Michael Jackson's fathers autobiography, he father Joesph reveals the family are also of Native American and descent. Joesph Jackson is lighter than all his children, with green eyes
You evidently are not black, because you can't seem to distinguish between black people's skin color (which is more of a testament of overlooking black people in general vs. being blind). Here is a picture of the Jackson clan, with Joseph on the far right: He is basically the same skin tone as all his children save for LaToya (who is not pictured, but is fairer) and Michael (who obviously has altered his skin). You may want to run that by someone who hasn't seen pictures of Joseph Jackson for some 30 years. There are quite a few Afro-American people in the United States with Native American ancestry, so that is not anything unusual. Of course, that also doesn't explain why MJ's "children" are outright Caucasian. [Edited 4/8/07 16:31pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Isolar said: Not all black/white biracials look racially like Lenny Kravitz. Also Lenny Kravitz is a black/jewish biracial.
People born in Israel are Caucasian, like Lenny Kravitz's father. Jewish (or more specifically, Judaism) is a religious faith, not a racial designation. I never said all biracial children resembled Lenny Kravitz. And while it's possible that one child of a black/white union may have more dominant genes than the other, the odds of such a union producing THREE CHILDREN WITH NO RACIAL RESEMBLANCE TO THE FATHER is virtually impossible. [Edited 4/8/07 17:39pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Isolar said: The photos are from 1978. Michael's nose was slimmer at the start of The Jacksons Destiny Tour in January 1979.
The photo caption identifies it as 1979. The "Destiny" album wasn't released until December 1978. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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dag said: dirtyman2005 said: All of you who are crying about whether he has vitiligo or not need to get over it,
he does have vitiligo, and said it himself in the martin bashir documentary, he said "i can't help the fact that i have vitiligo", As for najee saying he should use brown cream to cover his whole body, thats just ridiculous and a pretty dumb ass comment which makes no sense, since the majority of his original skin color has gone, it would be pretty stupid to paint his whole body every single day just to prove a point to a few people. he has almost lost all of his original skin color, so he decided to use white makeup where the small black patches still are. its probably very uncomfortable having all this cream over your body all day, and sometimes MJ has on a few occasions not bothered with it. its common sense. as for whether his kids are biologically his or not, only time will tell when they are about 16 or 17 and we get a clear look at their faces. What is funny though is that Tito's kids, 3T all look amazingly similar to MJ in facial look. [Edited 4/8/07 13:24pm] Nice post. Anyways, here´s another picture of MJ´s blotches. That bitch got a ribbon in his hair Always trying to be like Prince | |
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CalhounSq said: That bitch got a ribbon in his hair
I didn't notice that before! OMG, Michael Jackson wants to be a white woman so badly! What kind of man walks around with a ribbon in his head! THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! | |
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Najee said: What kind of man walks around with a ribbon in his head!
CalhounSq said: Always trying to be like Prince | |
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lilgish said: Najee said: What kind of man walks around with a ribbon in his head!
CalhounSq said: Always trying to be like Prince | |
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dirtyman2005 said: to be honest,
everyone has had this discussion a million times who cares what he does to his nose,face and skin, fuck it! all people care about is some fucking new music ! after the shitfest that was invincible (apart from a few tracks) all most people want to know is when the new music will be heard who gives a toss whether he paints himself or paints his ass having whining contests over it is pointless and rather disturbing its actually disturbing when someone like najee is so concerned about what michael jackson does i don't care whether he fucked a donkey, as the long as the music sounds good, bring it on, same with whores like madonna, do you think people care what she looks like? she looks like a transsexual, but as long as the music is good thats all that matters it seems there are many nutcases around here who love to cling on to mj's balls like najee. we all know he is a freak, and he might have white kids, who gives a fuck !! i dont give a fuck! Im not a big fan, i only like the classic songs he has made, its his life! my feeling exactly ! Right on ! | |
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Najee said: DarlingDiana said: You're not looking very closely. Check out his chest in both pictures. Yeah, it's called "light and shading." There is nothing on Michael Jackson's chest -- stop being ridiculous; it merely makes you look you're devoid of common sense. [Edited 4/8/07 6:40am] It's doesn't look like lighting. It's far too light too be just a lighting or shading glitch. It definately looks like the tone of his skin is lighter on his chest. | |
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DarlingDiana said: Najee said: Yeah, it's called "light and shading." There is nothing on Michael Jackson's chest -- stop being ridiculous; it merely makes you look you're devoid of common sense. [Edited 4/8/07 6:40am] It's doesn't look like lighting. It's far too light too be just a lighting or shading glitch. It definately looks like the tone of his skin is lighter on his chest. You people know jack shit about photography | |
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CalhounSq said: DarlingDiana said: It's doesn't look like lighting. It's far too light too be just a lighting or shading glitch. It definately looks like the tone of his skin is lighter on his chest. You people know jack shit about photography You poeple know jack shit about Michael Jackson. | |
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DarlingDiana said: CalhounSq said: You people know jack shit about photography You poeple know jack shit about Michael Jackson. I might have to put that shit in my sig! | |
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CalhounSq said: DarlingDiana said: You poeple know jack shit about Michael Jackson. I might have to put that shit in my sig! Gotta love the Michael Jackson Mafia. I say put them all in a rubber room. | |
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Najee said: jn2 said: so Vitiligo destroyed his nose too?
I'm sure vitiligo is also the reason Michael Jackson got his nose worked on so many times it looks like it's caving in. I'm also sure vitiligo is the reason this middle-aged man is holding sleepovers with kids and sleeping in the bed with him. So Dag, this looks good to you? My personal favorite -- the police mugshot: [Edited 4/8/07 15:12pm] najee, uptownny - you obviously love to hate him. This is like a neverending story. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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We don't have blinders and aren't afraid to tell it like it is. | |
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uPtoWnNY said: We don't have blinders and aren't afraid to tell it like it is.
You seem extremely keen on "telling it the way it is". You don´t miss a single Mj thread that gives you a space to display some negativity about him. Shows something about your obsession with him as well. And I don´t know what is worse, whether a positive obsession or a negative one. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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dag said: uPtoWnNY said: We don't have blinders and aren't afraid to tell it like it is.
You seem extremely keen on "telling it the way it is". You don´t miss a single Mj thread that gives you a space to display some negativity about him. Shows something about your obsession with him as well. And I don´t know what is worse, whether a positive obsession or a negative one. The irony is -- again, for us Jackson critics -- his staunchest defenders here have a disturbingly zealous commitment to reality as he defines it. It seems that, and pardon the hyperbole, however Jackson chooses to whitewash a thing (pun intended), is the way some of his fans will see it. So, the surgeries, sleepovers and lies are excused, because 20 years ago he moonwalked and sang about "Billie Jean" (another song about being victimized by a woman). Maybe we critics represent a demographic tired of fairy tales from someone we still consider family (even if he no longer does). | |
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...and at least we critics don't live in fantasyland("Michael looks good", lol). I hope these reality-challenged maniacs don't have jobs involving public safety. Scary people.
They are dedicated, I'll give them that. I didn't think anyone's more devoted & nuttier than hardcore Elvis fans. After reading these mind-boggling posts, Wacko Jacko's hardcore fans take the cake, especially the non-black fans. Would they still say Michael's attractive if by some miracle, he went back to his 70s look? | |
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ThreadBare said: So, the surgeries, sleepovers and lies are excused, because 20 years ago he moonwalked and sang about "Billie Jean" My Legacy
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PANDURITO said: That n.o.s.e.
Wonder how he keeps his Raybans in place They staple them to his head every morning He's been cut so many times he don't even feel it now | |
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At times it seems like some of his fans are all about defending him more than anything. They want to show the world and anti-Jackson folks that he still has plenty of fans, he's somehow still relevant, his music is still innovative and he doesn't look much different than he did 20 years ago. And they'll defend him at all costs no matter what the situation. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: At times it seems like some of his fans are all about defending him more than anything. They want to show the world and anti-Jackson folks that he still has plenty of fans, he's somehow still relevant, his music is still innovative and he doesn't look much different than he did 20 years ago. And they'll defend him at all costs no matter what the situation.
No, I think our goal is to defend him against claims that he is a completely "f****d-up" individual at every possible human level. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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JackieBlue said: At times it seems like some of his fans are all about defending him more than anything. They want to show the world and anti-Jackson folks that he still has plenty of fans, he's somehow still relevant, his music is still innovative and he doesn't look much different than he did 20 years ago. And they'll defend him at all costs no matter what the situation.
I don't defend him, but if I still loved him it definitely would be frustrating to hear how people talk about him, kind of like O.J. What if O.J didn't do it? He'd have been done a really serious injustice by society. My Legacy
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NDRU said: JackieBlue said: At times it seems like some of his fans are all about defending him more than anything. They want to show the world and anti-Jackson folks that he still has plenty of fans, he's somehow still relevant, his music is still innovative and he doesn't look much different than he did 20 years ago. And they'll defend him at all costs no matter what the situation.
I don't defend him, but if I still loved him it definitely would be frustrating to hear how people talk about him, kind of like O.J. What if O.J didn't do it? He'd have been done a really serious injustice by society. Thanks. Well, it is really, really, really frustrating. Just check youtube. You can have there some of the greatest performances from bad tour and others and the discussion below is how he "f****d himself up" - "Allert paedo". I remember once that idiot Roger wrote a stupid story about MJ abusing animals at his ranch that they are not properly taken care of and I read one discussion on a czech forum where everyone believed it saying "oh, now he´s raping even animals". You, "non-MJ-fans", have NO idea what he have to hear about him. Is it any wonder that we are so "over-protective"? "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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