WildStyle said:

You're in such denial that you have forgotten the conversation -- or is it you're trying to dodge the obvious?

1.) It was common public knowledge in the 1970s that Michael Jackson had severe acne. I remember some comedians made jokes about MJ's problem during their skits. It wasn't like MJ concealed he had severe acne and people didn't know it -- that was obvious and known to everyone.

2.) The photos I posted showed MJ's face with the same severe case of acne; those photos are no more than 18 months older than the one you posted. In both photos, his skin was darker in some places than others because of the scarring. His skin color was uneven and he had pimples prominently.

3.) Uh, where's the vitiligo? If he supposedly had it in the circa 1977 photo sans makeup you posted, where is the vitiligo in the 1979 photos sans makeup I posted?
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WildStyle said:

Well, if his acne could be so easily covered w/ makeup to look "smooth" as you remember, why would it be so widely known that he had such a severe acne problem?

And it's not as pronounced in the pics Najee posted b/c it's from further away than the ones you put up.

Fuck, I don't even know what we're going on about anymore. But that white splotch shit on the pic you posted is not vitiligo. That's really the point

CalhounSq said:

More importantly, (s)he can't have a reasonable explanation why in Michael Jackson's 1977 photo he supposedly has vitiligo and yet in the 1979 photos there is no "vitiligo" in the same locations on his face -- and both photos are showing MJ not wearing makeup.

WildStyle, you evidently forgot this picture was posted earlier:



Judging by MJ's youthful face, that picture had to have been taken in no earlier than the mid-1970s. Where's the vitiligo, WildStyle?
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I watched the world music awards and was getting excited to see mj as the hype was being built up but once he appeared, I wanted to be happy like I usually am and get an mj high but it just wasn't happening. He could barely move his mouth and eyes, they looked frozen in place and I was getting a gut feeling that the whole awards ceremony was staged. I know that award shows always created awards for him in order to attend but this time I could see right through it though I wanted to be excited. I don't hate him for it, I just feel so sad for him although I will always buy his music and cite him as one of my musical inspirations. And although chris brown was cute, I felt like he was paying tribute to mj as if he wa gone and tha made me feel sad

but yeah back to the topic. Everyone alters their appearance in some ways but it's no secret that mj took it to the extreme but that shouldn't take away from the music or accomplishments
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I wonder if Prince ever stumbles upon this shit, he'd be like

CalhounSq said:

DarlingDiana said:

he looks freaking dead.....

CalhounSq said:

Thanks for the explanation.

Wow, one goes to bed and in to morning there are 3 pages of discussion.

vitiligo - right armhttp://www.youtube.com/wa...s0e2YPTHIU


http://www.youtube.com/wa...6ncaM67lFQ
6:17 He said that vitiligo appeared during Off the wall, Thriller.

dag said:[quote]

CalhounSq said:

True. But the pic that was posted with a dodgy white thing, that didn't even look part of his face, was well before Off The Wall. The fact of the matter is I know peeps with numerous pics of MJ well before OTW, many of them where he wears no make-up and there was NEVER any white patches, acne-yes. I mean even in the pic which he takes with Latoya you can see vaguely that his face wasn't exactly really smooth, but still no patches.

whatsgoingon said:

Exactly -- that picture WildStyle posted was a decade BEFORE the "Bad" album (circa 1975 to 1977). In addition to the pictures I posted, there have been photos posted on this thread during that same period (and in the case of mine at least, AFTER 1977) and there CLEARLY ARE NO WHITE MARKS ON MICHAEL JACKSON'S FACE.

That's the hilariously sad thing about MJ zealots -- they assume that people have no idea what vitiligo is and how it works, that we all in live in some vacuum. Some even have used it to explain "that's why his kids are white." They operate with the idea we don't deal with reality-based experiences and observations.
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illimack said:

Even then, you have to consider the source -- a man who clearly has no concept of reality to the point where he has mentally created his own universe. It's not that Michael Jackson may be lying deliberately as much as he has created these illusions in his mind to where he believes them to be true.

One reason I'm skeptical of the vitiligo claim is that MJ himself cannot tell you when he contracted it. Typically, a person who has been diagnosed with a debilitating disease can tell you at least the year when (s)he got it. But MJ couldn't give a reasonable timeframe when he supposedly was diagnosed (a four-year period?) and even when he said it on that interview with Oprah Winfrey in 1993 he was as usual scatter-brained.

Most sufferers of such a diagnosis at least would know the name of the disease, and MJ didn't know or say the name during that interview -- experts and the media had to piece it together to deduce MJ may have vitiligo. And even then, there are plenty of photos from the 1970s and early 1980s that contradict MJ's timeframe.

Also, keep in mind the numerous other inconsistencies in MJ's comments before or since that interview. He's said in recent years that he has fathered three evidently white children, and in the late 1980s he said he has only had a couple of plastic surgery procedures and once denied he had his chin altered before coming forward. This is a man who has thrown sleepovers with children (young males between 8 and 13 years old) with him sleeping in the bed with them -- before and after being arrested and sued on child molestation charges.

I don't believe MJ is some deranged wack job as much as he is an incredibly emotionally immature person who still has the social development of an 8 year old. That shit may have been cute when he was 19 through 25, but he's a damn middle-aged man and people have been disturbed by his world for quite some time.
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For all those who don't believe he has vitiligo, how did he lighten his skin? and How come no other Black person (that I have seen) has been able to do it so successfully?

lilgish said:

lilgish said:

You mean besides a chemical depigmentation that is irreversible and generally ends up with complete or mostly complete depigmentation?

Najee said:

Is that how he did it?

lilgish said:

The issue is more of a case of what else has Michael Jackson done to his skin, because vitiligo doesn't fully explain his skin color. Vitiligo only turns patches of one skin a pink-like color, where MJ's skin is an unnatural whitish color.

Also, chemical depigmentation is a treatment used against vitiligo, though it's one that is generally not used or recommended much considering it's irreversible. Looking at MJ, it's apparent he had that done to his skin.
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Najee said:

Najee said:

it's a unnatural whitish color now, but during the mid to late 80's, it was a brownish, light skinned color. So was he progressively lightening? I thought depigmentation was instant unlike creams and such. I've just never seen such results with another person of color. Doesn't melanin have a reproductive quality, isn't that how people tan. Conversely, I've seen White people take melanin pills that turned their skin Black, couldn't MJ or any vitiligo patient do the same thing?
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lilgish said:

You can look at pictures from "Thriller" to "Bad" to "Dangerous" and in each phase Michael Jackson was getting progressively lighter. IMO, it looks like he was diagnosed or contracted vitiligo sometime during the recording and release of "Bad" -- among other things, vitiligo can be caused by stress, and MJ always struck me as one who put a tremendous amount of pressure on himself to top "Thriller."

Najee said:

I have said it before, Mike has a really bad memory when it comes to remembering dates and times when things has happened. He can´t even remember when some of his albums were released. That seems to be quite typical for ppl with talents of art as I found out.



He does have those pink blotches.

All of you who are crying about whether he has vitiligo or not need to get over it,

he does have vitiligo, and said it himself in the martin bashir documentary,

he said "i can't help the fact that i have vitiligo",

As for najee saying he should use brown cream to cover his whole body,

thats just ridiculous and a pretty dumb ass comment which makes no sense,

since the majority of his original skin color has gone,

it would be pretty stupid to paint his whole body every single day just to prove a point to a few people.

he has almost lost all of his original skin color, so he decided to use white makeup where the small black patches still are.

its probably very uncomfortable having all this cream over your body all day,
and sometimes MJ has on a few occasions not bothered with it.

its common sense.

as for whether his kids are biologically his or not,

only time will tell when they are about 16 or 17 and we get a clear look at their faces.

What is funny though is that Tito's kids, 3T all look amazingly similar to MJ in facial look.
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dirtyman2005 said:

Nice post.

Anyways, here´s another picture of MJ´s blotches.

dirtyman2005 said:

I thought that for the "kop" fans the bashir documentary was a piece of shit.

Najee said:

so Vitiligo destroyed his nose too?

dirtyman2005 said:

I don't believe many people have doubted whether Michael Jackson has vitiligo as much as the debate is what else has he done to his skin. IMO, he was diagnosed with vitiligo and to address it he chose the option of chemical depigmentation, which caused his skin to become its current color.

dirtyman2005 said:

EXCUSE ME, DUMB ASS -- WHERE DID I SAY THAT?!?!
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dag said:

And I'm sure you know this because you talk to Michael Jackson every day.

No, Michael Jackson is scatter-brained because among other things he has created a world where he thinks he is a white childlike creature who has lost control of his life.

dag said:

MJ's skin color is mostly a shade of a whitish-beige tone -- which suggests he's done something else to his skin. Vitiligo patients are primarily their natural skin color plus some blotches. With MJ, it's the opposite (that cadaver-like skin color with occasional brown patches).
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You will never hear Jackson's fans who pin everything on vitiligo explain:

1) why he lies about his children's paternity,
2) why his plastic surgery has erased most evidence of his ethnicity,
3) why his wigs generally are straight-haired wigs,
4) or any of the numerous lies he's been caught in over the years.

To them, he's always the vitiligo-stricken Peter Pan. Like CalhounSq said, it's good he has fans of the sort who so readily deny reality.

For that reason, however, I can't see debating Jackson's obvious mental issues any further. It just doesn't matter. It isn't moving him a step closer toward mental or spiritual healing.

jn2 said:

I'm sure vitiligo is also the reason Michael Jackson got his nose worked on so many times it looks like it's caving in. I'm also sure vitiligo is the reason this middle-aged man is holding sleepovers with kids and sleeping in the bed with him.

So Dag, this looks good to you?



My personal favorite -- the police mugshot:


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to be honest,

everyone has had this discussion a million times

who cares what he does to his nose,face and skin,

fuck it!

all people care about is some fucking new music !

after the shitfest that was invincible (apart from a few tracks)

all most people want to know is when the new music will be heard

who gives a toss whether he paints himself or paints his ass

having whining contests over it is pointless and rather disturbing

its actually disturbing when someone like najee is so concerned about what michael jackson does

i don't care whether he fucked a donkey, as the long as the music sounds good, bring it on,

same with whores like madonna, do you think people care what she looks like?
she looks like a transsexual, but as long as the music is good thats all that matters

it seems there are many nutcases around here who love to cling on to mj's balls like najee.

we all know he is a freak, and he might have white kids,

who gives a fuck !!

i dont give a fuck! Im not a big fan, i only like the classic songs he has made,


its his life!

jn2 said:

i aint a kop fan dumbass !

although it seems like you are! discussing mj having a shit probably in this thread somewhere lol

dirtyman2005 said:

No, you're simply a whining idiot. Maybe you haven't taken time to read the title of this thread, so of course the discussion is about MJ's appearance.

But look at this way, zealot -- if MJ wasn't such a self-hating person with deep-rooted issues combined with a complete loss of reality, no one would be talking about him.