WildStyle said:

Because it's obvious that Michael Jackson did not father those children -- that video footage of Prince Michael's birthday was clearly a picture of a blond-haired, blue-eyed boy. That child had no racial traits of any African ancestry -- a relative darker skin tone, hair texture, hair color or facial features.

Najee said:

All I can tell you is that I got these picture directly from a press photography agency. I see no reason why they would edit these photo's in any way.

Najee said:

I'm insane because I'm not going to say they are 100% his or they are not 100% his. Awesome.

WildStyle said:

Like I said, I can pull plenty of Michael Jackson photos sans makeup from that era and a few years later and there were no such "white spots" on his face then. And like I said, I remember that picture when it was shown 30 years ago, and there was nothing on his face suggesting "white spots."
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WildStyle said:

No, just that anyone with common sense can tell that those children don't resemble Michael Jackson in any physical manner. No manner how much he has mutilated himself, MJ's genes have not been altered -- any children he produces would bear some resemblance to him in his younger days. They surely aren't going to be blond-haired and blue-eyed.

Najee said:

What I then ask you is... how many pictures from this era show his acne so graphically? Obviously he used something to cover that up. Makeup perhaps?

Najee said:

I never said they resembled him. Not once.

WildStyle said:

Michael Jackson photos from the mid- to late 1970s typically showed him with severe cases of acne, and it was commonly known he had a severe acne problem. Look at any sans makeup pictures from The Jackson 5's final year at Motown through the variety show days and into the "Destiny" album period and MJ's face had severe acne.

Najee said:

Care to show an example? I have many many photos and videos from this period and his skin looks pretty smooth. Especially compared to those 2 pictures.

WildStyle said:

You said "I don't know whether they are biologically his or not." The problem with any MJ zealot's logic in the discussion whether Michael Jackson fathered those children is refuted by the reality that virtually all of us have seen or know someone who is the product of a black parent/white parent union, and they mostly have these physical characteristics:

* relative darker skin tone compared to a Caucasian's

* thick, curly hair

* darker hair (usually black, but in some cases brown)

Those children MJ is trying to pass off as his biological offspring have very Aryan features -- skin tone, straight hair and in one child's case blond hair. Even if one parent is blond-haired and/or blue-eyed, the child isn't going to have those features -- all one has to do is look at O.J. Simpson's children and the offspring from Heidi Klum and Seal, who all share the above physical traits.

WildStyle said:

Dude, you're barking up the wrong freakin tree. Any black person who grew up in the 70's can tell you that MJ did not have any white spots on his face during that time. Even MJ himself claims that the vitiligo appeared between Thriller and BaD, so where you got that bogus photo from is beyond me. Vitilgo doesn't even look "white" like that on black people. It looks more pink or beige,like the color on the inside of our feet or hands. It is not pure white like the spot in that picture.

Damn. I wish I had a scanner. Ya'll are killing me with this doctored photo shit. Millions of people followed that fools career and know that he didn't have white patches on his face during that time. Stop with the bullshit already....please.

WildStyle said:

Here are pictures of Michael Jackson in 1979:





There is nothing smooth about his skin there; it's the same as the picture you posted. Furthermore, these are pictures of MJ without makeup, so if MJ had signs of vitiligo by this stage then it is not evident on these photos.

Najee said:

I don't know much about genetics. I'm not even gonna go there. If you are asking my opinion as to whether they are biologically his... I would say no I don't think so. Like I said, I'm not gonna say 100% either way. Is that so outrageous? Oh, and I'd appreciate it if you didn't call me a zealot. Thanks

illimack, I see you are not familiar with the concept of makeup. Maybe try a google search or something.

Even there his skin doesn't look as bad as the pics I posted. Although your pictures were taken a little later. I don't even know what we are argiung here. Is it your argument that he didn't use makeup to cover up his acne?

Najee said:

You're not looking very closely. Check out his chest in both pictures.

Anyway, the last thing I want to be thought of as is a zealot. I've made my point. I'll go back to letting other people discuss his face for the rest of eternity. I'll just focus on the music which is the thing that made me like the guy in the first place. Even though I can't remember the last time I played a Michael Jackson album.

Najee said:

I do agree with you, however I have seen mixed race children with blonde hair and blue eyes. Their is one girl I know, the mother is white and the father was much darker than MJ natural colour, closer Wesley Snipes colour and she had honey blonde hair and blue/gray eyes at first look she looked like a tan little white girl , BUT, having said that her hair was not bone straight and she did have an olive complexion.

The thing about MJ "kids" is that not one of them even looks as dark or as mixed as Lourdes (Madonna daughter) whose father isn't even black but Hispainic. As I have said before there are too many coincidences.

WildStyle said:

You don't have to be a geneticist, just have common sense via experience and observation. Unless you live in a complete vacuum, you have seen offspring of black/white unions. Look at Lenny Kravitz (black mother/white male), for example. Does he any of those similarities with Michael Jackson's children? Look at Seal's (black male) offspring with model Heidi Klum (blond-haired white German woman) or O.J. Simpson's children with his late ex-wife Nicole (antoher blond-haired white woman).

They all have those same characteristics I named -- in Kravitz's case, his are more pronounced. Yet MJ's "children" clearly don't have any of those biracial characteristics.

uPtoWnNY said:

I'm sure an excerpt from his book From Afrikan Captives to Insane Slaves: The Need for Afrikan History in Solving the "Black" Mental Health Crisis in "America" and the World (Truth & Sanity Reprint Series) would've brought this discussion to a screeching halt rather quickly.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

whatsgoingon said:

From what you're describing, the girl's hair was a brownish-yellow color. Also, her hair has some curly pattern (and African-descent people's hair is naturally curly, just in a tight pattern) and she had some color in her skin.

The thing is that Michael Jackson's children would bear some resemblance to him before his surgeries -- no matter how much he mutilated himself, the genetic code he passes on would not change. At the least, the children would look similar to Tito's children or Marlon's kids.
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WildStyle said:

WHY are you speaking on this shit without really knowing? Dude, it's WIDELY known that he had a serious acne problem. WTF?

Najee said:

I agree with you, his nephews and nieces look more like him, than his own children. But, I just want to dispell this notion that a mixed race child can't have blonde hair and blue eye in general. I mean if you can get black folks like MJ own dad with green eyes(which is the rarest eye colour) then it is quite possible that a child with one white parent can have blue eyes and blonde hair.

Najee said:

Even if someone wanted to go the "crazy" genetics route & argue that having a white looking kid is possible, I argue back that yes that kind of shit happens from time to time but there is no way in hell this mf had THREE totally white looking kids. I don't even believe he had ONE. They ain't his, mf's love to believe though

CalhounSq said:

I know I said was gone but I gotta respong to this shit.

I'm not debating his acne problem genius. Try some reading comprehension classes or something.

whatsgoingon said:

I said that typically a child from a black/white union would have darker hair, hair with a curly or coarse pattern and a relatively darker skin tone. You have to admit that it is not typical for a mixed-race child from a black/white union to have blue eyes.
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whatsgoingon said:

TRUE, but can people at least acknowledge that it's pretty rare & not the norm? & how likely is it in the case of this nose shaving, "make me white" man? Come on - y'all pointing out extremes instead of opening your eyes to what's likely (not YOU, but mf's who insist that these kids could be his)...

DarlingDiana said:

Yeah, it's called "light and shading." There is nothing on Michael Jackson's chest -- stop being ridiculous; it merely makes you look you're devoid of common sense.
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WildStyle said:

What the fuck R U talking about...I don't have to do a google search on make up. I was born and raised on the man and I know that he did not have blothches on his face during the 70's. He has said himself that the supposed condition appeared between Thriller and Bad. So why would you post a doctored picture from the 70's with white blotches????? That shit looks like some powder or something. I know What the fuck MJ looked like. I lived and breathed the man. You better try to pull that shit with some of these new school fans, cause the old School Michael Jackson heads know the real deal.
Once again, millions of people watched Michael grow up. What makes U think that I've never seen a photo of him without make-up. There was no fucking hint about any skin condition until the Oprah interview. You cant change history.
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CalhounSq said:

I agree -- and in Michael Jackson's case, all three children have straight hair and the texture looks like the kind you see with Caucasian people. One child's hair is as blond as any we stereotypically associate with a Swedish person's, and none of them have any hint of a brownish tone to their skin.
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