ladygirl99 said:

Co-sign.

JackieBlue said:

That what I been thinking is vitiligo genetic. I am not saying Michael lied about it but...

theAudience said:

I've had the privilege of hearing a lecture by Dr. Ben. That man is THE TRUTH!

What if a mental illness is the reason for all the surgery? Can we really hate the guy for having a mental illness? Shouldn't we feel sadness and empathy for him rather than hate?

To me when I say MJ looks good... I mean in comparison to the early 2000's. If I see a new picture of MJ where he resembles late 80's or even mid 90's MJ... I say he looks good. If I'm going to be comparing every picture of him to pre 1984 MJ, I'll just be depressed. It just means I've moved on and come to terms with what he has done to himself.

dag said:

It is ironic that a person who had started removing physical characteristics associated with African-descent people was diagnosed with a skin disorder that changed the pigmentation on parts of his skin.

Even if you do believe Michael Jackson has vitiligo, it still doesn't explain his skin color fully. Vitiligo occurs on patches of the skin and MJ's skin is completely pale. Given that there is makeup that allows vitiligo suffers to cover up their skin and today there are treatments that work to counteract its effects, it is reasonable to assume that MJ's choice of fighting it was to bleach his skin.

dirtyman2005 said:

That video is so grainy and that part of Michael Jackson being in the mirror was so brief (less than one second) that you can't make out anything, much less make that assertion.

The only thing that is obvious is that MJ's son is NOT his biologically. There is no way that MJ can produce a blue-eyed, blond-haired child with his genes.

I must add that I don't think MJ is ugly. He has a very strange look. Almost like he is his own species. If you look at him and take all thoughts of what he used to look like out of your mind, you will see he is not an ugly guy. Although there are exceptions to this. Like when the makeup is really bad, the wig is really bad, the complexion is too pale and the face looks too thin. Really, he has his good days and his bad.



For the record... I think he lookd his mst attractive in the Thriller video. Although he was always a good looking guy even before that.

WildStyle said:

Concerning this post and your previous one, why is it hard for non-black Michael Jackson to accept that MJ chose to have his current appearance? Why is it so difficult to come to grips that the reason why he looks the way he does is because he didn't want to look like a black male? The only people I have heard trying to rationalize MJ's freakishly androgynous, Caucasian-ish look are non-black (and mostly white) people who are current fans.
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I have been sitting on these pics for a while. I've had them but never posted them for some reason or another...

Here are 2 pictures from the same shoot of MJ in his late teens, with obviously no makeup on. Make of them what you will.

Najee said:

Because it's one thing to turn your features into that of a white man. It's another thing to turn your features into that of a cartoon character. Hence the mental illness.

WildStyle said:

I see a handsome Black man with acne.
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Don't know what that shit is on the side of his temple but the boy just needed some serious acne meds - other than that he's super cute here

But I assume you don't agree, w/ the "make of them what you will" comment. Are these supposed to justify his present look or something?

WildStyle, no one is saying Jackson doesn't have vitiligo. Most detractors (such as I) say that his response to that vitiligo (as in bleaching his whole body white) is peculiar -- lamentable, even -- when coupled with plastic surgery to adopt white features, straight-haired wigs and white children that he claims are his progeny.

Again, most black vitiligo patients opt for concealing makeup such as the kind sold here.

CalhounSq said:

One word... vitiligo.

If you had read my previous posts, you wouldn't even have to ask that question.
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WildStyle said:

The fact that Michael Jackson turned his features into that of a Caucasian shows he has a racial inferiority complex. To that degree you could say MJ has a mental illness, but it's also coupled with his manchild behavior and his seeming inability to deal with reality.

It's the combination of all those things that make MJ a sad person -- that he willingly destroyed himself because of a complex where he belived wholly that another racial group is his standard of beauty.

P.S. I didn't see anything in those 1970s photos save MJ had bad acne. The marks on his nose are apparently the result of wearing glasses or shades.
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WildStyle said:

That ain't vitiligo, looks like powder or some makeup that didn't come all the way off. & yes, I read your previous posts - they told me nothing

WildStyle said:

And, I'd appreciate it, if you'd respond to my post. Thanks, WS.

CalhounSq said:

Not only that, but Michael Jackson's brother Jermaine openly challenged MJ's claims of having vitiligo several times in the 1990s. It was evidently news to him, so if MJ's own brother doesn't buy it (and he should know as well as anyone) what does that say?

ThreadBare said:

He's thinking, he's thinking

Najee said:

It says his fans will buy ANY excuse to avoid the reality of his sick mind

Never mind, WildStyle.

It doesn't matter, actually.

Peace to you.

Najee, look at the right side of his head.

Calhoun... that is what vitiligo looks like. Powder or makeup? He isn't wearing makeup which is why you can see his pimples more clearly here then in any other pictures.

My previous posts would have told you that I think Michael Jackson was good looking before he had any surgery.

WildStyle said:

WildStyle, I believe you to be full of shit. But continue to enjoy

ThreadBare said:

There is no bleaching is all. As his own mother said, he had a depigmentation procedure that many vitiligo sufferers undergo. He didn't want to "look like a spotted cow" as hi mother put it.

The surgery, the guy just has a problem. The one thing you gotta understand is that if he never had vitiligo, the thought of changing his complexion would probably have never occured to him. His heroes are black. He has never distanced himself from the black community in any way other then the surgery.

As for the children... I suppose he wants us to think the children are white because of the mother. I don't know whether they are biologically his or not.

WildStyle said:

The problem is I have seen that photo of Michael Jackson before and that was during the mid- to late 1970s. There was nothing like that on the photo then, which leads me to say that is a Photoshop-edited photo trying to give MJ the appearance of vitiligo.

Unfortunately, some MJ zealots have taken it upon themselves to edit some late 1970s to early 1980s MJ photos with the appearance he had vitiligo then. The problem is that not only can I pull plenty of MJ photos sans makeup that don't show a trace of vitiligo, but the photos that "prove" the vitiligo claims I have seen before and had no such traces 25 to 30 years ago.

WildStyle said:

& you've just classified yourself as insane

CalhounSq said:

Thanks for that informative post.

Lol @ photoshop edited. These pictures are not from any fan, but from a proffessional photo agency.

CalhounSq said:

Why? Because I can't say 100% whether they are his or not? Who the fuck can other then him and Debbie? And what other reason would he want us to think his kids are white while being biologically his, other than that they are bi-racial?

I'm not saying they are his. As I said, I don't know for certain so I'm not going to say anything.

WildStyle said:

That's interesting, because I saw that photo in the mid 1970s and there was nothing "white-looking" on Michael Jackson's face then. Care to explain that?