Najee said:

Same here.

ElectricBlue said:

Really, I've never thought MJ was that dark, to me he was more of a toffee complexion, I could never compare his natural complexion with someone like Wesley Snipes or even Eddie Murphy. I mean the pics of him before all the surgery being posted proves that.

whatsgoingon said:

I never thought he was that dark either. The only time he looked very dark was in "Thriller" & "Say Say Say" but other than that I would say his natural complexion is a medium brown.

AlexdeParis said:

this pic was after the FIRST surgery.

look at J5 pics... all the Jacksons hard wide noses.

prodigalfan said:

I think most folks including Alexdeparis realize this, but agree his plastic surgery still looked "natural" (ie. human) after the first surgery.

CinisterCee said:

True. I am not making a big deal about a couple of nose jobs, lets face it over 90% of peeps in showbiz has had some surgery, so a couple of nose jobs is nothing to get hysterical about. Infact he did his first nose job around OTW, but I notice that his trade-mark afro had gone, rather than his nose at the time. The thing is, up to Thriller you could more or less tell that was Michael Jackson, but from the Bad era it was like he had been replaced by a different person. The reason why peeps now can tell its the same person is due to the fact that he has more or less the same body shape he had when he was 20 and certain expressions and mannerism never change regardless how much surgery one does.

WildStyle said:

I'm sure that was interesting when Lisa-Marie found out that Michael Jackson's hoo-ha was larger than hers.

Se7en said:

I agree.He looked okay during the 'Thriller' era.Everyone could tell that he had some work done,but it didn't look outrageous.He still looked human.If he had stopped there,he would have been okay.

CinisterCee said:

ThreadBare said:

Thank you. The dude went from handsome black man to scary white woman, and these maniacs think that's cool.

CalhounSq said:

What? No kidding!?! I thought they would call him something nicer.

Calhoun, I know where you are coming from, but it´s not my fault, that I was born when Off the wall was released. To me his weirdness is normal. That´s why I have no problem with it. I understand that your memories are different and that you have harder times accepting it, but hey, you have had over 20 years to do so. You could have gotten used to it by now.

Najee said:

omg!! This is where Michael should have stopped!
It is proof that the man has mental problems like anorexics have a mental problem. how could he look in the mirror and think there was ANYTHING that needed to be changed???

whatsgoingon said:

I think some people can't detect the differences in shades of brown. MJ is not the same brown of Eddie Murphy who is not the same brown of Wesley Snipes who in my opinion is not "brown" at all.

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CalhounSq said:

I'd say, for many of the black people who recoil at the suggestion MJ looks good, it's because that statement is made (and we live) within a context that rewards those who cleave to Eurocentric standards of beauty. Blond Beyonce and Mary J. Blige are but two examples. MJ stands as the most extreme.example, with Lil' Kim nipping at his heels in a close second.

So, when we remark at what Jackson has done to himself, it often is within the context of seeing what used to be one of black America's biggest successes distance himself -- quite literally -- from that blackness that informed a lot of that success.

Michael Jackson is a grotesque, walking renunciation of a person's ethnic identity. For those of us, to hear someone suggest that he looks good -- in any other context than one where someone compliments a hospital patient, "Hey, he looked good... today" -- is nauseating.

He doesn't look good to us. He just ... doesn't.

ThreadBare said:

Awesome post.

dag said:

I was born in the Bad era. Michael's always been Michael to me. Being black, I've had thoughts. "Why the changes? What did he hate about himself? Was he that unhappy?" But at the end of the day, he's still Michael Jackson. Even though I believe he has vitiligo(Did research papers in high school and college) and reading things he's said in the past, I don't think him hating being black wasn't the problem.....it had and still has to be something else, but I don't know what.

Anyway, that's just my POV. Don't kill me for it

CinisterCee said:

add me in too

bboy87 said:

That would be almost plausible, if his change in complexion weren't accompanied by 1) plastic surgery that made his features keener and less African-American, and 2) white children he likes to pass of as biologically his.

Those two factors refute your position, I'm afraid.

CinisterCee said:

That pic was NOT after the first surgery - this was his second or third. Had surgery before Off the Wall, another nose job for the album cover shoot, & another nose job during Thriller time. So this pic was either the 2nd or 3rd nose - y'all must need more pictures

CalhounSq said:

I never knew this. dang!

ThreadBare said:

Also factor in what women who have been linked to Michael Jackson, by association or in some sort of personal relationship -- all white women. Whether it's been Brooke Shields, Tatum O'Neal, Lisa-Marie Presley or Debbie Rowe, anything that has passed for an MJ liason has been with a white woman or children.

prodigalfan said:

Not according to Moonwalk:

ThreadBare said:

Exactly. Michael Jackson today would be perfectly cast in the next Spider-Man movie as the wall-crawler's enemy Morbius:



People who say MJ looks good either are equally disconnected with reality as MJ (because they can't find another human being who has mutilated himself quite the way MJ has) or it's a tacit way of saying they prefer a man looking like a distorted caricature of a Caucasian woman than his God-given appearance.
[Edited 4/7/07 2:22am]

CinisterCee said:

ROFL!

Najee said:

Ahh yes, he was super fine there! I think he'd had ONE nose job here but I'd take him - it's basically what he'd look like today had he not continued to fuck w/ himself. And anyone who prefers his present day appearance to this picture is fucking nuts

ThreadBare said:

Awesome post, Threaddy

Najee said:

Exactly - look at those kids he supposedly "fathered". Let's get real here.

For some f-d up reason, Michael Jackson rejected his blackness - that's why I rejected his ass years ago. F--k him.

Some pretty good posts.

I always found it odd that there are some who thinks he looks good now but show them a pic of him from the 70s and they turn their nose up at it. Are you serious? I think some find him more palatable as Euro looking with feminine featurs and style, read: less threatening, than as the obvious black man he used to be.

I have a hard time falling all over someone who doesn't seem to love himself for who he is.

uPtoWnNY said:

Michael Jackson plays the race card when it suits him -- even when it makes him look contradictory. I remember after his arrest during the child molestation saga that MJ went on the NAACP awards talking about he was accused because he was black and cried racial discrimination by the LAPD (shades of Rodney King). MJ also has played that card when it came to his pissing match with Tommy Mottola, with his "(Mottola) doesn't care about black people" statement.

It's just so hard to take MJ seriously talking about race issues adversely affecting black Americans when he looks like a man who deliberately tried to remove himself from being a black American.
[Edited 4/8/07 0:32am]

Najee said:

oh my gosh. Yes, he would.