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Reply #30 posted 03/27/07 8:01pm

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Mikki Howard was a one hit wonder and shouldn't be included. strong voice, but forgettable. She'd be on a list with Melissa Morgan somewhere. Joss Stone is a premature add too. i take it the list means soloists. i thought groups when i first saw it. i'd add En Vogue and TLC to the mix.
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Reply #31 posted 03/27/07 8:11pm

Tessa

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Stymie said:

GangstaFam said:


too rock?
Yep, other than What's Love Got To Do With It, I can't think of another Tina song that hit the R&B charts.



somehow you missed the first 15 years of her career when she was the lead singer half of "Ike & Tina Turner"?

Meshell, I don't know if she ever hit the R&B charts. Maybe with Dreadlocks, but I never once heard that song played on Chicago radio.



she doesn't get played on any radio. so therefore, the genre of music she performs is none? confuse
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Reply #32 posted 03/27/07 8:12pm

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datdude said:

Mikki Howard was a one hit wonder and shouldn't be included. strong voice, but forgettable. She'd be on a list with Melissa Morgan somewhere. Joss Stone is a premature add too. i take it the list means soloists. i thought groups when i first saw it. i'd add En Vogue and TLC to the mix.
Mikki has had more than one hit. Just sayhin'. shrug
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Reply #33 posted 03/27/07 8:36pm

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datdude said:

Mikki Howard was a one hit wonder and shouldn't be included. strong voice, but forgettable. She'd be on a list with Melissa Morgan somewhere. Joss Stone is a premature add too. i take it the list means soloists. i thought groups when i first saw it. i'd add En Vogue and TLC to the mix.


Mikki Howard had several hit songs ("Ain't Nobody in the World," "Baby Be Mine," "That's What Love Is," "Love Under New Management") during the late 1980s/early 1990s run, but I agree I wouldn't put her on a list.

For that matter, Howard is much more deserving than Joss Stone, who hasn't really had any success with soul music fans (call it me, but shouldn't that be a criteria?).
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Reply #34 posted 03/27/07 8:38pm

Najee

About this list: Is the requirement only to name female solo acts? What about female groups (fully or mostly female)? What about an act where a woman is the focal point, like Gladys Knight & The Pips?

If it's any and all of the above, let me name a preliminary top 10 (acts who have made consistent and enduring impacts with soul music fans):

10. Mariah Carey
9. Patti LaBelle
8. Whitney Houston
7. Chaka Khan
6. Mary J. Blige
5. Janet Jackson
4. Gladys Knight & The Pips
3. The Supremes
2. Diana Ross

1. Aretha Franklin (duh!)

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Reply #35 posted 03/28/07 12:52am

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Najee said:

datdude said:

Mikki Howard was a one hit wonder and shouldn't be included. strong voice, but forgettable. She'd be on a list with Melissa Morgan somewhere. Joss Stone is a premature add too. i take it the list means soloists. i thought groups when i first saw it. i'd add En Vogue and TLC to the mix.


Mikki Howard had several hit songs ("Ain't Nobody in the World," "Baby Be Mine," "That's What Love Is," "Love Under New Management") during the late 1980s/early 1990s run, but I agree I wouldn't put her on a list.

For that matter, Howard is much more deserving than Joss Stone, who hasn't really had any success with soul music fans (call it me, but shouldn't that be a criteria?).



criteria for personal lists of favorites are whatever the person in question wants them to be shrug
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Reply #36 posted 03/28/07 5:07pm

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Annie Lennox

What the hell is Annie Lennox doing on this list of R&B females. She's not and never was a R&B singer. You have one hit on the black charts and everybody wants to put you in the category of R&B. Give me a break. Are you drunk or high or something. I declare, since I created the list, Annie Lennox invalid due to false presentation. Think of someone else. All the famous black female artist out there and you pick a white wannabe. I'll give you Christina. I love her. She can blow. I'll give you Lisa Stansfield. Damn! You must've forgot about the one and only Teena Marie who I have on my list. She's true R&B, Jazz, and Pop. But not Annie Lennox. No Annie Lennox! Try again!
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Reply #37 posted 03/28/07 5:26pm

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Tessa said:[quote]

Stymie said:




somehow you missed the first 15 years of her career when she was the lead singer half of "Ike & Tina Turner"?

Meshell, I don't know if she ever hit the R&B charts. Maybe with Dreadlocks, but I never once heard that song played on Chicago radio.



she doesn't get played on any radio. so therefore, the genre of music she performs is none? confuse
Never mind. I should have edited my post before you responded to it.
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Reply #38 posted 03/28/07 5:49pm

Najee

Tessa said:

criteria for personal lists of favorites are whatever the person in question wants them to be shrug


So in other words, you can name acts that have no relevance in soul music (like Christina Aguilera and Joss Stone) as the greatest soul female singers of all time? That makes no sense.
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Reply #39 posted 03/28/07 8:03pm

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Annie Lennox

What the hell is Annie Lennox doing on this list of R&B females. She's not and never was a R&B singer. You have one hit on the black charts and everybody wants to put you in the category of R&B. Give me a break. Are you drunk or high or something. I declare, since I created the list, Annie Lennox invalid due to false presentation. Think of someone else. All the famous black female artist out there and you pick a white wannabe. I'll give you Christina. I love her. She can blow. I'll give you Lisa Stansfield. Damn! You must've forgot about the one and only Teena Marie who I have on my list. She's true R&B, Jazz, and Pop. But not Annie Lennox. No Annie Lennox! Try again!
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i wouldn't call Annie an r&b artist either. she's a soul singer.

but just because you don't have hits on the r&b charts doesn't mean you're not r&b.
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Reply #40 posted 03/28/07 8:03pm

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Najee said:

Tessa said:

criteria for personal lists of favorites are whatever the person in question wants them to be shrug


So in other words, you can name acts that have no relevance in soul music (like Christina Aguilera and Joss Stone) as the greatest soul female singers of all time? That makes no sense.



if they sing music in the soul style, then they are soul singers. what's so difficult to comprehend about that? just because you don't like that that's what they are doesn't mean they aren't.
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Reply #41 posted 03/28/07 8:37pm

Najee

Tessa said:

if they sing music in the soul style, then they are soul singers. what's so difficult to comprehend about that? just because you don't like that that's what they are doesn't mean they aren't.


1.) What you call "singing music in the soul style" is arbitrary, to say the least.

2.) That is further compromised by the mere fact that some of the people in question (namely, Christina Aguilera and Joss Stone) don't even have an audience in the genre in question. Namely, acts who never get their songs played in such formats and had a string of hit records or notable songs recognized by that audience (much less purchased).

I guess you can name who you want, even if it shows that not only you do not follow the genre and it comes off as being unknowledgeable about the genre and the audience in general. With that logic I guess I could list Jesse Johnson as one of the greatest rock artists (based on my arbitrary opinion), but it would come off that I'm being so condescending and insulting to the audience because of the mere fact that Johnson never made any inroads nor is recognizable by that audience.
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Reply #42 posted 03/28/07 8:38pm

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LoDog said:

Okay people, one more time with this list:
1. Whitney Houston
2. Mariah Carey
3. Aretha Franklin
4. Toni Braxton
5. Janet Jackson
6. Diana Ross
7. Teena Marie
8. Mary J. Blige
9. Chaka Khan
10. Anita Baker
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Kids today! rolleyes Anyway, let a veteran show you a better list:

1. Aretha Frankin
2. Tina Turner
3. Chaka Khan
4. Jennifer Holiday
5. Teena Marie
6. Patti LeBelle
7. Shirley Murdoch
8. Gladys Knight
9. Betty Wright
10. Phyllis Hyman
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Reply #43 posted 03/28/07 8:42pm

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Tessa said:

i can't believe i was the first person to say Tina Turner eek


.....and I'm only the second! But to me, Tina is Rock & Soul. So her name is valid as an R&B act.
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Reply #44 posted 03/28/07 8:45pm

Najee

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.....and I'm only the second! But to me, Tina is Rock & Soul. So her name is valid as an R&B act.


It's fair to say Tina Turner is a rock/pop artist, and outside of an occasional song like her remake of Al Green's "Let's Stay Together" she really has not had relevance in soul music in decades.
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Reply #45 posted 03/28/07 8:47pm

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Najee said:

Tessa said:

if they sing music in the soul style, then they are soul singers. what's so difficult to comprehend about that? just because you don't like that that's what they are doesn't mean they aren't.


1.) What you call "singing music in the soul style" is arbitrary, to say the least.

2.) That is further compromised by the mere fact that some of the people in question (namely, Christina Aguilera and Joss Stone) don't even have an audience in the genre in question. Namely, acts who never get their songs played in such formats and had a string of hit records or notable songs recognized by that audience (much less purchased).

I guess you can name who you want, even if it shows that not only you do not follow the genre and it comes off as being unknowledgeable about the genre and the audience in general. With that logic I guess I could list Jesse Johnson as one of the greatest rock artists (based on my arbitrary opinion), but it would come off that I'm being so condescending and insulting to the audience because of the mere fact that Johnson never made any inroads nor is recognizable by that audience.


actually, i think it comes down more to the primary audience of that music, and you in particular, being racist against white people singing that type of music, if you want me to put that fine a point on it. shrug
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Reply #46 posted 03/28/07 8:52pm

Najee

Tessa said:

actually, i think it comes down more to the primary audience of that music, and you in particular, being racist against white people singing that type of music, if you want me to put that fine a point on it. shrug


It's not being racist (like you can even define the word) -- Christina Aguilera and Joss Stone don't have a soul music following.

I'll say it nicely -- IT'S DUMB to consider them soul music artists when they don't even have a soul music audience. The fact you don't even know that and refuse to acknowledge that while placing them in a high standing in a genre which you apparently don't even follow, if anything, comes off as condescending.

Teena Marie and Lisa Stansfield are white females who have had success with the soul music auidence -- it makes sense to name them, and when people have named them I have not objected in the slightest. How does that reconcile with your baseless claim?

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THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS!
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Reply #47 posted 03/28/07 8:59pm

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Najee said:

TonyVanDam said:

.....and I'm only the second! But to me, Tina is Rock & Soul. So her name is valid as an R&B act.


It's fair to say Tina Turner is a rock/pop artist, and outside of an occasional song like her remake of Al Green's "Let's Stay Together" she really has not had relevance in soul music in decades.


Didn't some of the songs from the Ike & Tina catelog crossover to R&B charts? hmmm
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Reply #48 posted 03/28/07 9:05pm

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TonyVanDam said:

Najee said:



It's fair to say Tina Turner is a rock/pop artist, and outside of an occasional song like her remake of Al Green's "Let's Stay Together" she really has not had relevance in soul music in decades.


Didn't some of the songs from the Ike & Tina catelog crossover to R&B charts? hmmm



actually, their primary success was on the r&b charts, being as they were primarily an r&b act. they had some crossover to the pop charts as well.
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Reply #49 posted 03/28/07 9:05pm

Najee

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Didn't some of the songs from the Ike & Tina catelog crossover to R&B charts? hmmm


Actually, a lot of the early Ike and Tina Turner Revue were soul-oriented songs. But the fact that you have to refer to her 1960s to early 1970s songs should speak volumes to the fact that her music and her audience is hardly associated with soul music.
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Reply #50 posted 03/28/07 9:08pm

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Najee said:

Tessa said:

actually, i think it comes down more to the primary audience of that music, and you in particular, being racist against white people singing that type of music, if you want me to put that fine a point on it. shrug


[color=darkred]It's not being racist (like you can even define the word) -- Christina Aguilera and Joss Stone don't have a soul music following.



I'm sorry, but I'm not even going to read past this part of your post, because it's irrelevant to the argument which is, you do not define the style of music someone sings by who buys it. Soul and R&B are genres of popular music. By saying that these people aren't soul or r&b artists because the primary soul and r&b audience isn't buying them is putting the cart before the horse.
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Reply #51 posted 03/28/07 9:11pm

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Najee said:

TonyVanDam said:

Didn't some of the songs from the Ike & Tina catelog crossover to R&B charts? hmmm


Actually, a lot of the early Ike and Tina Turner Revue were soul-oriented songs. But the fact that you have to refer to her 1960s to early 1970s songs should speak volumes to the fact that her music and her audience is hardly associated with soul music.
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the thread does say "top ten r&b female acts of all time" does it not? not just "top ten r&b female acts of the last 25 years" correct?
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Reply #52 posted 03/28/07 9:12pm

Najee

Tessa said:

I'm sorry, but I'm not even going to read past this part of your post, because it's irrelevant to the argument which is, you do not define the style of music someone sings by who buys it.


In other words, the people who buy the music isn't a relevant factor -- only an unknowledgable person who ignores the genre's core audience in a condescending fashion is allowed to make that decision.

No soul music fans I know would call either Christina Aguilera or Joss Stone soul artists. Not only that, that audience doesn't buy and listen to their music on any appreciable level. But you're qualified more than millions of fans to make that decision for them because ...?

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Reply #53 posted 03/28/07 9:14pm

Najee

Tessa said:

the thread does say "top ten r&b female acts of all time" does it not? not just "top ten r&b female acts of the last 25 years" correct?


The thread also implies that you're going to make reasonable choices on your list.

BTW, I never said I would have a problem with Tina Turner being named. But unlike you, I have enough knowledge to make an informed opinion.

Since you're imitating the deus ex machina X-Man that is your avatar, is it fair for me to call Jesse Johnson a rock artist? BTW, nice dodge on the Teena Marie/Lisa Stansfield comment I made.

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Reply #54 posted 03/28/07 9:17pm

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Icicle said:

I see ReeRee is popular here nod Everyone`s mentioned her...




This pic is all the proof that Al Gore needs to prove the ice caps are melting and global warming is a real threat.
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Reply #55 posted 03/28/07 9:19pm

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This pic is all the proof that Al Gore needs to prove the ice caps are melting and global warming is a real threat.


No, that picture is proof that the Bush administration's emphasis on health, fitness and wellness to reduce future medical costs needs to be kicked into overdrive.
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Reply #56 posted 03/28/07 9:19pm

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sosgemini said:

Icicle said:

I see ReeRee is popular here nod Everyone`s mentioned her...




This pic is all the proof that Al Gore needs to prove the ice caps are melting and global warming is a real threat.



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Reply #57 posted 03/28/07 10:17pm

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1. Aretha Franklin
2. Diana Ross
3. Gladys Knight
4. Donna Summer
5. Teena Marie
6. Thelma Houston
7. Stephanie Mills
8. Randy Crawford
9. Melba Moore
10. Chaka Khan

I agree with, Icicle


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Reply #58 posted 03/28/07 10:26pm

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WHY HAVE SO MANY PEOPLE NEGLECTED BADU?

Erykah Badu
Tina Turner
Janet Jackson
Sade
Aretha Franklin
Aaliyah
Chaka Khan
Brandy
Whitney Houston
Lauryn Hill

Honorable:

Jill Scott
Monica
Madonna (early years)
Etta James
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Reply #59 posted 03/29/07 4:10am

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JellyBean said:

Icicle said:

1. Aretha Franklin
2. Diana Ross
3. Gladys Knight
4. Donna Summer
5. Teena Marie
6. Thelma Houston
7. Stephanie Mills
8. Randy Crawford
9. Melba Moore
10. Chaka Khan

I agree with, Icicle


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I did forget quite a few though lol
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