pezdispenser said:

Riiiiight...
Uncle Sam has somethin' for ya,


theAudience is not just some "funk fan", dear boy. He is one of the most knowledgeable orgers when it comes to most forms of black music, be it jazz, blues, black rock, or whatnot. Show some respect, newbie

theAudience is not just some "funk fan", dear boy. He is one of the most knowledgeable orgers when it comes to most forms of black music, be it jazz, blues, black rock, or whatnot. Show some respect, newbie

Soulive is pretty meh, but I wouldn't go as far as saying they suck.

bellanoche said:

You're welcome.

I know the main members of Soulive (Alan, Neal & Kraz).
The drummer (Alan) has a side project that's a straight Rock Group.
One of the Soulive shows I was at, they were blasting Led Zeppelin in the dressing room prior to going onstage.

So much for the noise from the peanut gallery.

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431
[Edited 3/28/07 10:04am]

"...And BTW, Adult Contempoary didn't kill the funk....Technology did....When people started using beat machines and synths, the band structure died..And more importantly this gave rise to hip-hop, which had as much to do with the death of the Funk Bands as we knew them..."

Thanks for the backup fellas.

As for Mr. pezdispenser (How appropriate, an empty headed plastic vessel that randomly spews vapid pellets devoid of any nutritional value whatsoever.), I must say that I can usually sniff out a baiter and avoid them like the plague.
But because I know Alan, I took it personally. My bad.

It's amazing how our friend here can gleen so much information from someone's appearance.
I'm sure with his wizard-like intuition, he's surely destined to overtake Dionne Warwick as the next great superstar of the Psychic Friends Network.

I believe he was here once before and got dressed down rather handily.

On that note i'll simply say, Rock On Dude...


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

theAudience said:

Well, it looks like you and your buddies sure ganged up and showed me. Wow, you're so knowledgable! I'll think twice before having an opinion that differs from yours in the future

pezdispenser said:

If you had actually had a valid basis for your opinion instead of just talkin' shit, you might've actually gotten your message thru.

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Thanks, you told me straight. Looks like you know how to tell me where I'm wrong! Thanks, I'll be sure to not form any opinions based on experience again, without consulting you first. I'm sure glad there are people out there to make me conform to their rules and tastes. Individuality is way over-rated.

Thanks, I'll be sure to not form any opinions based on experience again

Well, it looks like you and your buddies sure ganged up and showed me. Wow, you're so knowledgable! I'll think twice before having an opinion that differs from yours in the future!

Najee said:

What's funny about vainandy's hatred of Whitney Houston is that the USS Crossover was well into the water by the time she came on the scene (I admit, I love the term "Shitney"). Lionel Richie is arguably the most egregious culprit with both his latter-day Commodores stuff and his first two solo albums.

Michael Jackson and Prince also went down that road and like Richie enjoyed tremendous success.

pezdispenser said:

Here's the deal.

Your first post on this thread had valid points and made a lot of sense.
Then for some reason, after viewing the Soulive pic I posted, you offered the following...

1) "An AC/DC Tshirt! That shit is hilarious. As IF he listens to AC/DC, there isn't an ounce of balls out rock about him. Poser."

"Yeah I know. The guy has absolutley NO balls out ac/dc rock influence about him. AT ALL. I bet he couldn't even tell me what his favourite song on Black In Black was, yet he's wearing the t-shirt."

"You can just tell the dude saw an ac/dc tshirt in the shop and thouht "yeah, rock!" and picked it up."

a) Your statements are based on what facts?
b) Do you know him or his listening habits?
c) What do you know of his playing abilities outside of Soulive?

From another perspective there many folks, musicians and non-musicians, who wear band t-shirts simply as a fashion statement.
What's wrong with that? Is there some unwritten rule that anyone who wears a band t-shirt has to have some connection or knowledge of the band?


2) "If he thinks soulive is innovative or creative at all then he needs some exposure to much more music. And if he thinks it's balls out AC/DC influenced rock he's full of shit."

a) Where in this thread did I claim that Soulive is "balls out AC/DC influenced rock"?
b) For the record, I do think that Soulive is creative in the sense that in their original configuration (organ, drums & guitar) they've taken a modern slant on the traditional Jazz organ trio concept.


3) "I'll think twice before having an opinion that differs from yours in the future!"

"Thanks, I'll be sure to not form any opinions based on experience again, without consulting you first. I'm sure glad there are people out there to make me conform to their rules and tastes."

a) There's nothing wrong with having an opposing opinion. It happens here all the time and folks discuss those differences in a civil manner.
The problem starts when one tries to present an opinion as fact.

For example...
"As IF he listens to AC/DC, there isn't an ounce of balls out rock about him."

"You can just tell the dude saw an ac/dc tshirt in the shop and thouht "yeah, rock!" and picked it up."

b) What specific "experience" are these "opinions" about Alan Evan's musical abilities based upon?


Finally, I could care less whether you think i'm musically knowledgeable or not.
I don't foolishly come here to try and establish any kind of reputation on a message board.
The occasional civil discussion of music is where it begins and ends for me.


Case closed.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

pezdispenser said:

You've only been here since September of 2006 so how would you know? The Audience is very knowledgeable about many types of music such as funk, blues, rock, jazz, and I think maybe even some classical. His knowledge doesn't begin with the 1970s, like so many of us here, his knowledge goes back to the 1950s and 1960s, hell maybe even further back. He is probably the most knowledgeable member on this board.

vainandy said:

Really?

Very true but while he was going down his crossover path in the early 1980s, there were also funk groups like Cameo, The Barkays, and several others that were going on strong. Funk was still the most dominant thing on R&B radio, regardless of Lionel's crossover success.



Oh, hell to the naw! I wasn't too happy when I saw "Little Red Corvette" being played on MTV and on pop radio stations but, crossover or not, Prince was still throwing down hard with jams like "Lady Cab Driver", "D.M.S.R.", "Irresistable Bitch", "Erotic City", etc. Even his rock jams were hard. Prince could take either rock or funk and still keep it strong without watering it down and making it weak trying to please both sides. Lionel Richie's music is absolutely no comparison to Prince's.

Even after Prince's major success with "Purple Rain", it's kinda "iffy" as to whether he sold out. On one hand, I say no because pop fans were just as pissed with the artsy/fartsy style he incorporated beginning with "Around The World In A Day" as the R&B fans. Prince pissed both worlds off. On the other hand, I say he did because he sure as hell wouldn't have tried that shit when he had an R&B audience only. They would have dropped his ass quick.

As for Michael Jackson, Lord knows he didn't know what the hell he wanted to be but at least his crossover stuff didn't sound weak. Shitney Houston was as weak as they come. Even her fast songs sounded weak. I hated her image also....the sweet little wholesome all American virgin cheerleader pulling off rose petals wondering if the football captain loves her or loves her not. She just took every bit of strength and rebellion she could out of music. Even later when she married Bobby Brown, he would beat her ass, go to jail, and like a weak ass fool, she would meet him at the prison gates when he was released and jump into his arms. I can't stand weak ass people and I could sense she was weak from day one, not only in her weak ass music, but her image as well.
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phunkdaddy said:

Prince's artsy fartsy around the world in a day. That's hilarious stuff there
man.

Graycap23 said:

Hell yeah. I'll never forget the day I bought that album. I said "What the hell is this? Where the hell is the badass Prince I grew up with? This shit sounds like it came from India or some foreign country or something. I can't relate to this shit at all!".

However, I really started to like "Around The World In A Day" after I heard "Parade". Prince had gone even further off the deep end. He had classical music and orchestras and shit. Hell, I thought maybe the record company had mistakenly put a Lawrence Welk record in a Prince album cover.

Yep. He even knows about some of the local bands from my area back in the day....and he lived nowhere near me. Now that's some knowledge there.

pezdispenser said:

So every single black guy in a AD/DC or whatever rock t-shirt is just some retarded funk fan who doesn't know shit about rock?

vainandy said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

he he, foreign music be funny!

Seriously, you people need to realise that music from other parts of the world has it's merits also, not just soul music from the USA

And before you start: no, I'm not from India (or "some foreign country" as you put it).

And before you start: no, I'm not from India (or "some foreign country" as you put it).

pezdispenser said:

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Exactly. I live in Mississippi and I sure as hell don't like the traditional stereotypical "sittin' on a porch", "workin' in the fields", "cryin' and moanin'", "hangin' in a hole in the wall cafe" type blues that first come to mind when people think of Mississippi. That shit depresses the hell out of me. Give me some funk.

murph said:

I agree -- how in the world is the music Luther Vandross in the 1980s made any different from the music Freddie Jackson made during the '80s? It's the same style of music with the same demographic.

1980s Luther and Billy Ocean? Yeah, a huge difference because Ocean was making sappy pop ballads like "There'll Be Sad Songs (to Make You Cry)" and trite crossover material like "When the Going Gets Tough (The Tough Get Going)."

But Luther and Freddie? HELL NO.