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PrintableNaughtyKitty said: purplecam said: we're gonna have to start voting. that's what that means.
Sadly, I'm not too sure that alot of voting would change things. I think the voting results on AI are fixed and I have felt that way for a long time now. I dont believe that Stephanie was actually voted off by the American public much like I STILL dont believe that Chris Daughtry was actually voted off from last season's show. I think the Powers That Be over at American Idol are picking and choosing who they want to stay and who goes regardless of the votes. Sure they tell us the folks who are in the bottom 3 and the person who gets sent home is a result of our votes...but do we ever see the actual results of the voting? No! Ryan Seacrest just reads to us the names of the people who are safe, who are in the bottom 3 and who is going home off a piece of paper that was given to him. We really have no idea of what the actual results are. I can understand why Sanjaya is still there, he's got alot of folks voting for him for the wrong reasons. But you want me to believe that Haley and Phil werent in the bottom 3? And that people wanted to keep Chris R. over Stephanie just because she had 1 bland performance? You mean people actually chose her to go home over Phil, Haley, and Chris R?? 
I dont believe it  I just dont believe people really are voting this way...just like I dont believe that people voted to eliminate Chris D. over Elliot Yamin; Constantine over that other dude (I forget his name), and that time when Fantasia, Jennifer H, and Latoya L. were all in the bottom 3--and J-Hud got sent home.  This is how the public voted? I dont believe that for a second.
I'm tellin ya, the "results" are fixed. Oh how I pray for the day that an investigation into the whole voting/results process is launched. 
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NaughtyKitty said: purplecam said: we're gonna have to start voting. that's what that means.
Sadly, I'm not too sure that alot of voting would change things. I think the voting results on AI are fixed and I have felt that way for a long time now. I dont believe that Stephanie was actually voted off by the American public much like I STILL dont believe that Chris Daughtry was actually voted off from last season's show. I think the Powers That Be over at American Idol are picking and choosing who they want to stay and who goes regardless of the votes. Sure they tell us the folks who are in the bottom 3 and the person who gets sent home is a result of our votes...but do we ever see the actual results of the voting? No! Ryan Seacrest just reads to us the names of the people who are safe, who are in the bottom 3 and who is going home off a piece of paper that was given to him. We really have no idea of what the actual results are. I can understand why Sanjaya is still there, he's got alot of folks voting for him for the wrong reasons. But you want me to believe that Haley and Phil werent in the bottom 3? And that people wanted to keep Chris R. over Stephanie just because she had 1 bland performance? You mean people actually chose her to go home over Phil, Haley, and Chris R??
I dont believe it I just dont believe people really are voting this way...just like I dont believe that people voted to eliminate Chris D. over Elliot Yamin; Constantine over that other dude (I forget his name), and that time when Fantasia, Jennifer H, and Latoya L. were all in the bottom 3--and J-Hud got sent home. This is how the public voted? I dont believe that for a second.
I'm tellin ya, the "results" are fixed. Oh how I pray for the day that an investigation into the whole voting/results process is launched.
Just my definitely could be fixed (I think they admit they "reserve that right"), but who was it that said "never underestimate the stupidity of the American public?" My Legacy
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NDRU said: NaughtyKitty said: Sadly, I'm not too sure that alot of voting would change things. I think the voting results on AI are fixed and I have felt that way for a long time now. I dont believe that Stephanie was actually voted off by the American public much like I STILL dont believe that Chris Daughtry was actually voted off from last season's show. I think the Powers That Be over at American Idol are picking and choosing who they want to stay and who goes regardless of the votes. Sure they tell us the folks who are in the bottom 3 and the person who gets sent home is a result of our votes...but do we ever see the actual results of the voting? No! Ryan Seacrest just reads to us the names of the people who are safe, who are in the bottom 3 and who is going home off a piece of paper that was given to him. We really have no idea of what the actual results are. I can understand why Sanjaya is still there, he's got alot of folks voting for him for the wrong reasons. But you want me to believe that Haley and Phil werent in the bottom 3? And that people wanted to keep Chris R. over Stephanie just because she had 1 bland performance? You mean people actually chose her to go home over Phil, Haley, and Chris R??
I dont believe it I just dont believe people really are voting this way...just like I dont believe that people voted to eliminate Chris D. over Elliot Yamin; Constantine over that other dude (I forget his name), and that time when Fantasia, Jennifer H, and Latoya L. were all in the bottom 3--and J-Hud got sent home. This is how the public voted? I dont believe that for a second.
I'm tellin ya, the "results" are fixed. Oh how I pray for the day that an investigation into the whole voting/results process is launched.
Just my definitely could be fixed (I think they admit they "reserve that right"), but who was it that said "never underestimate the stupidity of the American public?" That's why I gave up on the show three seasons ago. I was absolutely shocked when Tamyra (still my favorite contestant) was voted off the first season. I was mildly surprised when Trenyce was outlasted by Josh in S2. When LaToya got the boot the next year, I decided enough was enough. America and I apparently can't agree, so I gave up. My index finger sure doesn't miss hitting that redial button...  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Interesting discussion.
Up until this season, an acquaintance and I had a competition seeing who could pick the top male and female AI contestant from the final 12. We each either got the winner or the runner up every time. What we noticed though was how long certain unlikely participants stayed in the competition. So what we added to our choices after season 2 was a UM (Unwashed Masses) pick. This was someone that the public would vote for regardless of their lack of singing ability. (He/She is cute. or I like his/her hair., something stupid like that.) We even came up with a better voting system that would minimize the public voting percentage. For example, establish a professional panel (bye, bye Paula) whose votes would comprise 75%-90% of the total vote. Hopefuly, this would reduce the popularity contest aspect of the show. Not that the show is actually looking for talented people. Just something to do as a lark. Obviously the lark lost its lustre as I haven't watch a single episode this season. Is the voting rigged? I don't think they'd be stupid enough to risk a Twenty One game show style scandal. There is the possibility that contestants have folks behind them that are sophisticated enough to organize massive Get Out The Vote campaigns every week. tA  Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: Interesting discussion.
Up until this season, an acquaintance and I had a competition seeing who could pick the top male and female AI contestant from the final 12. We each either got the winner or the runner up every time. What we noticed though was how long certain unlikely participants stayed in the competition. I think you're dead on. The top two are typically very good, and the right ones have won (last season is a notable exception) in my opinion. But there are always a few in the top 10 who don't deserve to be there. Again I don't think it's rigged, but they admit they reserve the right to ignore the votes, if they deem it necessary. So crazy though, there hasn't been one person on the show (which I've watched every season) whose album I would buy My Legacy
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NDRU said: theAudience said: Interesting discussion.
Up until this season, an acquaintance and I had a competition seeing who could pick the top male and female AI contestant from the final 12. We each either got the winner or the runner up every time. What we noticed though was how long certain unlikely participants stayed in the competition. I think you're dead on. The top two are typically very good, and the right ones have won (last season is a notable exception) in my opinion. But there are always a few in the top 10 who don't deserve to be there. See, I don't think I've ever agreed with the top 2. I would've had Tamyra and Kelly in the top 2 because everyone else that year was ridiculously bad. I still can't believe people voted for Justin after that horrendous performance of "P.Y.T." I was fine with Ruben winning, but the Fantasia/Diana top 2 still makes me shake my head.  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: NDRU said: I think you're dead on. The top two are typically very good, and the right ones have won (last season is a notable exception) in my opinion. But there are always a few in the top 10 who don't deserve to be there. See, I don't think I've ever agreed with the top 2. I would've had Tamyra and Kelly in the top 2 because everyone else that year was ridiculously bad. I still can't believe people voted for Justin after that horrendous performance of "P.Y.T." I was fine with Ruben winning, but the Fantasia/Diana top 2 still makes me shake my head. I'd agree that #2 is sometimes weird (Clay, Justin, & Diana) But generally I've agreed with #1. And a few #2's I've liked (Catherine, again Clay--I see his appeal at least, maybe Bo) But there's no question that some deserving singers lose out too early, as much as the opposite is true. I've almost always picked the winner, Taylor is the exception. My Legacy
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PFunkjazz said: In conjunction with votefortheworst.com, a lot of Howard Stern fans are voting to keep Sanjaya. If Stern can sabatoge the results he wants the three judges to come on the show and make concessions to explain the voting process. You can read about in the show archives on howardStern.com. Stern also brought attention to Sanjaya's hottie sister with the HOOTERS pic.
See, I had a feeling that Howard Stern was involved in getting people to vote for Sanjaya. I have said here that I think something needs to be done to update the voting process on the show but I really wonder why people find it necessary to try and prove that something is flawed if it's been working for years. Most of the people who listent to Howard probably don't even watch the damn show. People like that baffle me and have too much time on their hands. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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NDRU said: AlexdeParis said: See, I don't think I've ever agreed with the top 2. I would've had Tamyra and Kelly in the top 2 because everyone else that year was ridiculously bad. I still can't believe people voted for Justin after that horrendous performance of "P.Y.T." I was fine with Ruben winning, but the Fantasia/Diana top 2 still makes me shake my head. I'd agree that #2 is sometimes weird (Clay, Justin, & Diana) But generally I've agreed with #1. And a few #2's I've liked (Catherine, again Clay--I see his appeal at least, maybe Bo) But there's no question that some deserving singers lose out too early, as much as the opposite is true. I've almost always picked the winner, Taylor is the exception. You are on point. I wish Chris Daughtry had won last year. That was the biggest crock of shit I've seen on Idol yet. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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NaughtyKitty said: purplecam said: we're gonna have to start voting. that's what that means.
Sadly, I'm not too sure that alot of voting would change things. I think the voting results on AI are fixed and I have felt that way for a long time now. I dont believe that Stephanie was actually voted off by the American public much like I STILL dont believe that Chris Daughtry was actually voted off from last season's show. I think the Powers That Be over at American Idol are picking and choosing who they want to stay and who goes regardless of the votes. Sure they tell us the folks who are in the bottom 3 and the person who gets sent home is a result of our votes...but do we ever see the actual results of the voting? No! Ryan Seacrest just reads to us the names of the people who are safe, who are in the bottom 3 and who is going home off a piece of paper that was given to him. We really have no idea of what the actual results are. I can understand why Sanjaya is still there, he's got alot of folks voting for him for the wrong reasons. But you want me to believe that Haley and Phil werent in the bottom 3? And that people wanted to keep Chris R. over Stephanie just because she had 1 bland performance? You mean people actually chose her to go home over Phil, Haley, and Chris R??
I dont believe it I just dont believe people really are voting this way...just like I dont believe that people voted to eliminate Chris D. over Elliot Yamin; Constantine over that other dude (I forget his name), and that time when Fantasia, Jennifer H, and Latoya L. were all in the bottom 3--and J-Hud got sent home. This is how the public voted? I dont believe that for a second.
I'm tellin ya, the "results" are fixed. Oh how I pray for the day that an investigation into the whole voting/results process is launched.
Just my While I'm not down with how Howard Stern and votefortheworst.com is doing things, I'm totally down with the idea of an investigation of how the voting process is done. I love the show but a lot of shit has happened that never should have happened and if it's rigged in any way I won't be shocked one bit. I'm not a fan of "old Prince". I'm not a fan of "new Prince". I'm just a fan of Prince. Simple as that | |
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purplecam said: PFunkjazz said: In conjunction with votefortheworst.com, a lot of Howard Stern fans are voting to keep Sanjaya. If Stern can sabatoge the results he wants the three judges to come on the show and make concessions to explain the voting process. You can read about in the show archives on howardStern.com. Stern also brought attention to Sanjaya's hottie sister with the HOOTERS pic.
See, I had a feeling that Howard Stern was involved in getting people to vote for Sanjaya. I have said here that I think something needs to be done to update the voting process on the show but I really wonder why people find it necessary to try and prove that something is flawed if it's been working for years. Most of the people who listent to Howard probably don't even watch the damn show. People like that baffle me and have too much time on their hands. I'm not the type that would phone in and vote, but I do enjoy watching the trainwreck.  test | |
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AlexdeParis said: NDRU said: I think you're dead on. The top two are typically very good, and the right ones have won (last season is a notable exception) in my opinion. But there are always a few in the top 10 who don't deserve to be there. See, I don't think I've ever agreed with the top 2. I would've had Tamyra and Kelly in the top 2 because everyone else that year was ridiculously bad. I still can't believe people voted for Justin after that horrendous performance of "P.Y.T." I was fine with Ruben winning, but the Fantasia/Diana top 2 still makes me shake my head. I should probably clarify that the competition I had with my friend was who we thought "the public" would vote into the 1 & 2 spots. We had a separate vote for who we "personally" thought were the best singers. tA Tribal Disorder
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purplecam said: NDRU said: I'd agree that #2 is sometimes weird (Clay, Justin, & Diana) But generally I've agreed with #1. And a few #2's I've liked (Catherine, again Clay--I see his appeal at least, maybe Bo) But there's no question that some deserving singers lose out too early, as much as the opposite is true. I've almost always picked the winner, Taylor is the exception. You are on point. I wish Chris Daughtry had won last year. That was the biggest crock of shit I've seen on Idol yet.  Yes and Chris D's cd sales further confirm my suspicions that there's something shady going on with the voting and results. So America supposedly didnt vote for Chris and he gets eliminated because, people liked Elliot, Taylor and Katherine more. Yet Chris's cd is way outselling the actual winner of American Idol. Those same people who supposedly didnt vote enough to keep him in the AI are now buying his cd 
Coincidence? I think not. And I also agree with the person here who said CONTROVERSY=RATINGS. I think the PTB over at AI deliberately sacrifices a popular contestant over a lesser popular one each season for shock value just to make it seem like AI is so unpredictable in hopes of getting more folks to tune in and watch what happens next. *Sigh* "Reality TV"... 
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NaughtyKitty said: purplecam said: You are on point. I wish Chris Daughtry had won last year. That was the biggest crock of shit I've seen on Idol yet. Yes and Chris D's cd sales further confirm my suspicions that there's something shady going on with the voting and results. So America supposedly didnt vote for Chris and he gets eliminated because, people liked Elliot, Taylor and Katherine more. Yet Chris's cd is way outselling the actual winner of American Idol. Those same people who supposedly didnt vote enough to keep him in the AI are now buying his cd
Coincidence? I think not. And I also agree with the person here who said CONTROVERSY=RATINGS. I think the PTB over at AI deliberately sacrifices a popular contestant over a lesser popular one each season for shock value just to make it seem like AI is so unpredictable in hopes of getting more folks to tune in and watch what happens next. *Sigh* "Reality TV"...
[Edited 3/23/07 13:49pm] [Edited 3/23/07 13:50pm] voters don't automatically translate into sales. you have different populations of people in the viewing audience and the buying audience. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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