Janfriend said: bellanoche said: If it is so foolish then why do you agree with "most" of the examples? Talent has nothing to do with opinion. Evaluating talent is one thing, liking someone's music is another. Talentwise, the people I listed outshine Robin Thicke. I am speaking with regard to such things as songwriting ability in terms of the complexity and creativity of the music and lyrics that they write, vocal talent, musicianship, etc. The fact that you find Rahsaan Patterson boring is a matter of taste, which is fine. I love his music, but that's my opinion. However, we agree that his talent cannot be denied. So, I am not going to resort to saying that you have your head up Robin Thicke's butt just because Rahsaan isn't your cup of tea. That is foolish, and it is that sentiment that my earlier post responded to. With regard to someone else's comment that some people had their minds made up to not like Thicke, that is certainly not true in my case. I am always excited to hear what artists have to offer. If you read my posts, I never said that he was not talented. I merely stated that I did not get all the hype and incessant play that he is currently receiving, because his music lacks the substance and creativity of other, less hyped, less played artists. How is he hyped? | |
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bellanoche said: AlexdeParis said: As far as I'm concerned, it's just as foolish and offensive to assert that people "know" those artists are so much more talented than Robin Thicke. That's opinion. I'd actually agree on most of your examples, but I personally would rather listen to Thicke than Rahsaan "The Kid" Patterson any day of the week. He's certainly talented, but I find him rather boring.
If it is so foolish then why do you agree with "most" of the examples? Talent has nothing to do with opinion. Evaluating talent is one thing, liking someone's music is another. Talentwise, the people I listed outshine Robin Thicke. I am speaking with regard to such things as songwriting ability in terms of the complexity and creativity of the music and lyrics that they write, vocal talent, musicianship, etc. The fact that you find Rahsaan Patterson boring is a matter of taste, which is fine. I love his music, but that's my opinion. However, we agree that his talent cannot be denied. So, I am not going to resort to saying that you have your head up Robin Thicke's butt just because Rahsaan isn't your cup of tea. That is foolish, and it is that sentiment that my earlier post responded to. Of course talent has something to do with opinion. That's why they have judges in things like talent shows! I don't just like Thicke more than Rahsaan, I think Thicke is more talented (and I think Van is more talented than both of them). "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Janfriend said: bellanoche said: If it is so foolish then why do you agree with "most" of the examples? Talent has nothing to do with opinion. Evaluating talent is one thing, liking someone's music is another. Talentwise, the people I listed outshine Robin Thicke. I am speaking with regard to such things as songwriting ability in terms of the complexity and creativity of the music and lyrics that they write, vocal talent, musicianship, etc. The fact that you find Rahsaan Patterson boring is a matter of taste, which is fine. I love his music, but that's my opinion. However, we agree that his talent cannot be denied. So, I am not going to resort to saying that you have your head up Robin Thicke's butt just because Rahsaan isn't your cup of tea. That is foolish, and it is that sentiment that my earlier post responded to. With regard to someone else's comment that some people had their minds made up to not like Thicke, that is certainly not true in my case. I am always excited to hear what artists have to offer. If you read my posts, I never said that he was not talented. I merely stated that I did not get all the hype and incessant play that he is currently receiving, because his music lacks the substance and creativity of other, less hyped, less played artists. How is he hyped? Let me clarify, I don't know where you guys live, but here in Chicago "Lost Without You" can be heard on either of the Clear Channel owned urban radio stations every hour - sometimes twice an hour! To me that constitutes hype, because it is exposure. We all know that radio is straight pay-for-play nowadays, so somebody's getting paid to "hype" the song. I just think that other songs by other artists could be played some of those times. So I am not attacking Robin Thicke as some may misinterpret my posts. I know he's been in the game a minute, I remember when he was riding around on that bike to a sample of a Fifth of Beethoven. So I'm not hating on him. I think my issue is more with radio today and the lack of "hype"/exposure for some really talented artists. I hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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bellanoche said: Janfriend said: How is he hyped? Let me clarify, I don't know where you guys live, but here in Chicago "Lost Without You" can be heard on either of the Clear Channel owned urban radio stations every hour - sometimes twice an hour! To me that constitutes hype, because it is exposure. We all know that radio is straight pay-for-play nowadays, so somebody's getting paid to "hype" the song. I just think that other songs by other artists could be played some of those times. So I am not attacking Robin Thicke as some may misinterpret my posts. I know he's been in the game a minute, I remember when he was riding around on that bike to a sample of a Fifth of Beethoven. So I'm not hating on him. I think my issue is more with radio today and the lack of "hype"/exposure for some really talented artists. I hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. I think you have to take intoconsideration that there are people who really dig that song a lot, too. I agree: a lot fo people who deserve the radio play don't get played. | |
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bellanoche said: Janfriend said: How is he hyped? Let me clarify, I don't know where you guys live, but here in Chicago "Lost Without You" can be heard on either of the Clear Channel owned urban radio stations every hour - sometimes twice an hour! To me that constitutes hype, because it is exposure. We all know that radio is straight pay-for-play nowadays, so somebody's getting paid to "hype" the song. I just think that other songs by other artists could be played some of those times. So I am not attacking Robin Thicke as some may misinterpret my posts. I know he's been in the game a minute, I remember when he was riding around on that bike to a sample of a Fifth of Beethoven. So I'm not hating on him. I think my issue is more with radio today and the lack of "hype"/exposure for some really talented artists. I hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. Maybe he's fuckin for track 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: bellanoche said: Let me clarify, I don't know where you guys live, but here in Chicago "Lost Without You" can be heard on either of the Clear Channel owned urban radio stations every hour - sometimes twice an hour! To me that constitutes hype, because it is exposure. We all know that radio is straight pay-for-play nowadays, so somebody's getting paid to "hype" the song. I just think that other songs by other artists could be played some of those times. So I am not attacking Robin Thicke as some may misinterpret my posts. I know he's been in the game a minute, I remember when he was riding around on that bike to a sample of a Fifth of Beethoven. So I'm not hating on him. I think my issue is more with radio today and the lack of "hype"/exposure for some really talented artists. I hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. Maybe he's fuckin for track | |
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AlexdeParis said: Of course talent has something to do with opinion. That's why they have judges in things like talent shows! I don't just like Thicke more than Rahsaan, I think Thicke is more talented (and I think Van is more talented than both of them).
Talent shows are not a good barometer for judging talent. Too many non-talent related factors impact the decisions. How many times have you seen a talent show where the most talented person did not win? That's why a talent show is just that - a show. Finally, if you think that Robin Thicke is more talented than Rahsaan Patterson, I'll end my part of this conversation here. We'll definitely have to agree to disagree. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Stymie said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Maybe he's fuckin for track I think that might just become the line of the year. - copyright 2007 Dalla Austin perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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bellanoche said: Stymie said: I think that might just become the line of the year. - copyright 2007 Dalla Austin He must not be a good lay if he only got one track on the radio for the record I don't care if he layed there like a lifeless corpse, I would bang the living hell out of him 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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bellanoche said: Stymie said: I think that might just become the line of the year. - copyright 2007 Dalla Austin http://www.prince.org/msg/8/221774 New thread on the subject. | |
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TonyVanDam said: krayzie said: Would he be that hyped ?
Sorry to all the Robin Thicke fans, but I don't see what is so great about him ??? If Robin was black, he would be a free agent like Van Hunt, searching for a new record label because Usher, Chris Brown, and Akon are still the black male artists on top in a country (USA) that isn't tried of hip-hop/r&b yet. I love the album because it's real R&B,not the hip hop based R&B that dominates the charts.I have to say,Robin's writing is better than Van's but the fact the he's a white boy doesn't hurt at all. larry luvlife
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bellanoche said: Janfriend said: How is he hyped? Let me clarify, I don't know where you guys live, but here in Chicago "Lost Without You" can be heard on either of the Clear Channel owned urban radio stations every hour - sometimes twice an hour! To me that constitutes hype, because it is exposure. We all know that radio is straight pay-for-play nowadays, so somebody's getting paid to "hype" the song. I just think that other songs by other artists could be played some of those times. So I am not attacking Robin Thicke as some may misinterpret my posts. I know he's been in the game a minute, I remember when he was riding around on that bike to a sample of a Fifth of Beethoven. So I'm not hating on him. I think my issue is more with radio today and the lack of "hype"/exposure for some really talented artists. I hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. That has more to do with people requesting it. None of his others singles, from both albums, got as much play | |
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larryluvlife said: TonyVanDam said: If Robin was black, he would be a free agent like Van Hunt, searching for a new record label because Usher, Chris Brown, and Akon are still the black male artists on top in a country (USA) that isn't tried of hip-hop/r&b yet. I love the album because it's real R&B,not the hip hop based R&B that dominates the charts.I have to say,Robin's writing is better than Van's but the fact the he's a white boy doesn't hurt at all. Wanna love you girl wasn't pure R&B to me | |
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bellanoche said: AlexdeParis said: Of course talent has something to do with opinion. That's why they have judges in things like talent shows! I don't just like Thicke more than Rahsaan, I think Thicke is more talented (and I think Van is more talented than both of them).
Talent shows are not a good barometer for judging talent. Too many non-talent related factors impact the decisions. How many times have you seen a talent show where the most talented person did not win? That's why a talent show is just that - a show. Finally, if you think that Robin Thicke is more talented than Rahsaan Patterson, I'll end my part of this conversation here. We'll definitely have to agree to disagree. That was my point. We don't have to agree on the person who is more talented; it's an opinion. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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bellanoche said: Janfriend said: How is he hyped? Let me clarify, I don't know where you guys live, but here in Chicago "Lost Without You" can be heard on either of the Clear Channel owned urban radio stations every hour - sometimes twice an hour! To me that constitutes hype, because it is exposure. We all know that radio is straight pay-for-play nowadays, so somebody's getting paid to "hype" the song. I just think that other songs by other artists could be played some of those times. So I am not attacking Robin Thicke as some may misinterpret my posts. I know he's been in the game a minute, I remember when he was riding around on that bike to a sample of a Fifth of Beethoven. So I'm not hating on him. I think my issue is more with radio today and the lack of "hype"/exposure for some really talented artists. I hope that clarifies where I'm coming from. Radio stations suck these days,anyway.I rarely listen to the radio at all.They play the same 10 songs over and over.However,I'm glad that a good song is getting massive airplay for a change."Lost Without U" is superior to most of the crap you hear on the radio. | |
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larryluvlife said: I have to say,Robin's writing is better than Van's but the fact the he's a white boy doesn't hurt at all.
Each artist has released two albums, and IMHO, both are talented songwriters. But when I think about songs like "Out of the Sky," "Dust," "Hold My Hand," and "Being A Girl," I give the edge to Van. But as AlexDeParis said, reasonable minds can disagree. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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No, I don't think so. Not saying that Robin isnt talented, he just wouldnt get hyped up. I looooove shooter w/Lil Wayne...I bet that song is amazing live!! [Edited 3/23/07 12:28pm] | |
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namepeace said: larryluvlife said: I have to say,Robin's writing is better than Van's but the fact the he's a white boy doesn't hurt at all.
Each artist has released two albums, and IMHO, both are talented songwriters. But when I think about songs like "Out of the Sky," "Dust," "Hold My Hand," and "Being A Girl," I give the edge to Van. But as AlexDeParis said, reasonable minds can disagree. I agree with you. Plus, Thicke's CD is BORING in my opinion. Teach You A Lesson, I Need Love, Can You Believe and Lost Without You sound like they were all recorded in the same day when he was in the same mode. He's real weak on the up-tempo songs. Whereas a track like "Everything I Have" is "different" (only because of the Latin flavor), its kinda weak and wouldn't work as a single. The only song I think that is uptempo enough to be a good single is "All Night Long". Everything else puts him in ballad mode or is too off center. Van Hunt on the other hand had at least four single-worthy tracks on "On The Jungle Floor". I wouldn't even put them in the same box. Someone earlier mentioned Robin not being "hyped"? Bullshit. He damn sure is. There is no escaping "Lost Without you". THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF BEING HYPED. Van never got that kind of attention. Also, you want to talk underrated R&B artists? The hell with Robin Thicke; check out Anthony David - The Red Clay Chronicles. THAT is underrated good R&B. Robin is doing just fine in the press (thanks to Justin). The difference is Justin has up-tempo tracks all over the place. His CD was constructed for the charts. Robin's is aight but its too damn "mellow". Its stereotypically what labels want to define R&B as and that's where he loses me. Its watery with no "umph" to it. When he drops something like "Hot Stage Lights", let me know. I'm not checking for him otherwise. Oh and before I'm asked, by thanks to Justin, I mean by him being the blue-eyes soul competition for him. Without a doubt Justin is pop R&B where Robin is more standard R&B. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: I agree with you. Plus, Thicke's CD is BORING in my opinion. Teach You A Lesson, I Need Love, Can You Believe and Lost Without You sound like they were all recorded in the same day when he was in the same mode. He's real weak on the up-tempo songs. Whereas a track like "Everything I Have" is "different" (only because of the Latin flavor), its kinda weak and wouldn't work as a single. The only song I think that is uptempo enough to be a good single is "All Night Long". Everything else puts him in ballad mode or is too off center. Van Hunt on the other hand had at least four single-worthy tracks on "On The Jungle Floor". I wouldn't even put them in the same box. . . . His CD was constructed for the charts. Robin's is aight but its too damn "mellow". Its stereotypically what labels want to define R&B as and that's where he loses me. Its watery with no "umph" to it. When he drops something like "Hot Stage Lights", let me know. I'm not checking for him otherwise. Yeah, I like, but do not love, Evolution. In a bid to be recognized as a serious artist, Thicke loses some of the fun of his prior album, tho I like this one better. I wish he could find a happy medium. Van is the opposite. He had some GREAT single-worthy songs on the album, but his ballads seemed to drag the tempo down. STILL, it was my top choice for '06. Oh and before I'm asked, by thanks to Justin, I mean by him being the blue-eyes soul competition for him. Without a doubt Justin is pop R&B where Robin is more standard R&B.
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TonyVanDam said: Has anyone notice how fast THIS thread has gotten quiet in a hurry when BlaqueKnight show people what time it is?!?
cleared this place out like an old man fart GIT THAT CORN OUTTA MY FACE!!! | |
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namepeace said: larryluvlife said: I have to say,Robin's writing is better than Van's but the fact the he's a white boy doesn't hurt at all.
Each artist has released two albums, and IMHO, both are talented songwriters. But when I think about songs like "Out of the Sky," "Dust," "Hold My Hand," and "Being A Girl," I give the edge to Van. But as AlexDeParis said, reasonable minds can disagree. But in this case, I'm in complete agreement with you. As much as I love Thicke, I'd definitely consider Van a better songwriter (and artist in general). BlaqueKnight said: Someone earlier mentioned Robin not being "hyped"? Bullshit. He damn sure is. There is no escaping "Lost Without you". THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF BEING HYPED. Van never got that kind of attention.
I'd say that's the definition of a hit single. I don't think it was "hyped" so much as it caught fire. I still say they should've tried to push "At the End of a Slow Dance" or "Hot Stage Lights" hard for Van, but that didn't happen. The Evolution of Robin Thicke was languishing for months until "Lost Without You" became a hit. There's surely been more hype and word of mouth since it hit it big, but I'm not seeing "hype" on a huge scale. Of course, I don't listen to the radio, so that could be it. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: I'd say that's the definition of a hit single. I don't think it was "hyped" so much as it caught fire. I still say they should've tried to push "At the End of a Slow Dance" or "Hot Stage Lights" hard for Van, but that didn't happen. The Evolution of Robin Thicke was languishing for months until "Lost Without You" became a hit. There's surely been more hype and word of mouth since it hit it big, but I'm not seeing "hype" on a huge scale. Of course, I don't listen to the radio, so that could be it. Do you watch music videos? Can't get away from him there either. Hits are made nowadays. No luck. Everything in the top 20 is bought and paid for. It caught on because its played every hour on television and radio. You just happened to like it right off. | |
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I thought he was black, just really light skinded. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Has anyone notice how fast THIS thread has gotten quiet in a hurry when BlaqueKnight show people what time it is?!?
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BlaqueKnight said: AlexdeParis said: I'd say that's the definition of a hit single. I don't think it was "hyped" so much as it caught fire. I still say they should've tried to push "At the End of a Slow Dance" or "Hot Stage Lights" hard for Van, but that didn't happen. The Evolution of Robin Thicke was languishing for months until "Lost Without You" became a hit. There's surely been more hype and word of mouth since it hit it big, but I'm not seeing "hype" on a huge scale. Of course, I don't listen to the radio, so that could be it. Do you watch music videos? Can't get away from him there either. Hits are made nowadays. No luck. Everything in the top 20 is bought and paid for. It caught on because its played every hour on television and radio. You just happened to like it right off. No, I don't watch videos either these days. While I know there's an aspect of payola involved, answer this question for me: Why didn't they do all that to make "Wanna Love U Girl," the first single, a hit? "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Janfriend said: TonyVanDam said: Has anyone notice how fast THIS thread has gotten quiet in a hurry when BlaqueKnight show people what time it is?!?
Wrong Showing "what time it is": just means he's stating his opinion and there is nothing more to it. | |
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AlexdeParis said: BlaqueKnight said: Do you watch music videos? Can't get away from him there either. Hits are made nowadays. No luck. Everything in the top 20 is bought and paid for. It caught on because its played every hour on television and radio. You just happened to like it right off. No, I don't watch videos either these days. While I know there's an aspect of payola involved, answer this question for me: Why didn't they do all that to make "Wanna Love U Girl," the first single, a hit? Wanna Love You Girl got massive rotation. Sometimes a song just flops because it sucks too much. For the real answer, ask the label. They can tell you better than I can as to why they decided to stop spending money on one song to push another. | |
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