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Reply #30 posted 03/14/07 1:10am

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http://www.youtube.com/wa...Br_rCP9RjM
MJ sold Revolution ( the beatles song) rights to a Nike commercial.
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Reply #31 posted 03/14/07 1:19am

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I am not interested in these stories about his finances, cause I don´t find them reliable. He was supposed to be broke, selling Neverland, Beatlest catalogue etc. so many times. I mean how can any journalist know the state of his financial affairs. Since when do banks give such information about their clients?
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #32 posted 03/15/07 7:21am

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It's amazing the downright ignorance and hypocrisy when it comes to Michael. Michael is HALF owner of the Sony/ATV catalogue. How can he be blamed for "exploiting" the catalogue when Sony owns the other half? If you are going to claim that MJ is exploiting, then why not be fair(as if that is possible when it comes to Michael) and say that SONY is exploiting the catalogue. In fact, there are Beatles songs that Michael REFUSES to allow for commercialization. I really get pissed when people have this "holier than thou" attitude toward Beatles songs, when Paul McCartney is "whoring" Buddy Holly's songs for every commercial that he can find. Are you trying to tell me that it is alright for Paul to do what he and others are whining about. Another thing that is so hypocritical is would the whiners still be whining if it was someone else who owned the Beatles catalogue and not Michael? You can guarantee that if CBS had gotten the rights( they bid around $42 million, Michael bid $46 million) for this catalogue, they would have been using songs for commercials even more. No one buys a catalogue just to sit and look at them and people need allowing their hate to cloud their judgement. Paul is exploiting Buddy Holly's songs and thousands of others and I haven't heard one complaint from the media, music industry or detractors.
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chill pill

Oh, relax with your hypocritical accusations. I never said I HATED anyone and I'm sure I'd be just as angry if CBS or whoever was was liscensing all these Beatle songs. And by the way - Michael outbid McCartney as well, even after McCarteny appealed to him as an artist to let him own his own material. But surely if the Beatles - the songwriters themselves - did OWN their own catalog (and I won't even go into why they don't), we would NOT be hearing "Hello Goodbye" on a Target commercial. And by the way - I hope Michael's stuff never gets bought and sold either!


Please spare me with the "Paul appealed to him as an artist...". That is not true. Paul had the same opportunity as Michael, CBS and others who were bidding for the catalogue. In fact, Paul had even MORE of an opportunity to buy his own songs.The problem was/is Paul is CHEAP. Paul is a billionaire. At the time of the bidding for the catalogue, he only offered $20 millon. He thought that Yoko should put up the other $20 million. Why? IF he really was serious about buying his own songs back, he would have put up more money. He certainly had the money. Paul thinks that he is entitled to something.He is not. This was a purely business venture. No one was going to give Paul the rights to those songs. He didn't deserve them to be GIVEN to him anymore than John did. They lost the rights to the songs. Did John or Yoko expect to be given the rights after they lost them? I ask this question of anyone who is whining about "poor" Paul. If you had been selling this catalogue would you have sold them to the highest bidder-$47.5 million or the lowest-$20 million. EVERYONE who I have asked this question says the highest bidder. Some things are just logical. It's time to stop with this "poor" Paul BS. He was too cheap to bid for his own songs. He exploits other artists' songs for his own monetary gain; yet, he whines when Beatles' songs are used for commercial gain. PLEASE, let's stop with the DOUBLE STANDARDS!
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Reply #33 posted 03/15/07 7:34am

skyecute

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At least he gave Little Richard back his publishing rights


Isn't it interesting that Friedman and other "whiners" don't mention this fact about MJ returning all of Little Richards publishing rights to him? You would think that some of these people who do the most MJ bashing would have some knowledge of other things except bashing a person because they don't like him.
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Reply #34 posted 03/15/07 9:29am

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lol lol lol EVERY TIME I THINK ABOUT MICHAEL.. shutting down stores.. its makes me laugh...


but i understand that its not safe for him to shop with the public... but he doesnt have to spend 20,000 on toys.. and unnecessary nic-nacs
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Reply #35 posted 03/15/07 10:01am

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lmao!!! when Paul stops buying the rights of music from other artists!!!


I mean really, everyone goes poor Paul (and company)... How can you really feel bad for Paul when he's doing the same exact thing to other people! I call it karma!


I feel the same way. Folks forget that Paul was the one who hipped MJ to buying folks' catalogues. Then MJ flipped the script and bought his. Turnabout is fairplay. I thought it was lame of Paul and lame of MJ to buy other artist's catalogues. So I have no sympathy for either of them.
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Reply #36 posted 03/15/07 10:24am

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skyecute said:

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chill pill

Oh, relax with your hypocritical accusations. I never said I HATED anyone and I'm sure I'd be just as angry if CBS or whoever was was liscensing all these Beatle songs. And by the way - Michael outbid McCartney as well, even after McCarteny appealed to him as an artist to let him own his own material. But surely if the Beatles - the songwriters themselves - did OWN their own catalog (and I won't even go into why they don't), we would NOT be hearing "Hello Goodbye" on a Target commercial. And by the way - I hope Michael's stuff never gets bought and sold either!


Please spare me with the "Paul appealed to him as an artist...". That is not true. Paul had the same opportunity as Michael, CBS and others who were bidding for the catalogue. In fact, Paul had even MORE of an opportunity to buy his own songs.The problem was/is Paul is CHEAP. Paul is a billionaire. At the time of the bidding for the catalogue, he only offered $20 millon. He thought that Yoko should put up the other $20 million. Why? IF he really was serious about buying his own songs back, he would have put up more money. He certainly had the money. Paul thinks that he is entitled to something.He is not. This was a purely business venture. No one was going to give Paul the rights to those songs. He didn't deserve them to be GIVEN to him anymore than John did. They lost the rights to the songs. Did John or Yoko expect to be given the rights after they lost them? I ask this question of anyone who is whining about "poor" Paul. If you had been selling this catalogue would you have sold them to the highest bidder-$47.5 million or the lowest-$20 million. EVERYONE who I have asked this question says the highest bidder. Some things are just logical. It's time to stop with this "poor" Paul BS. He was too cheap to bid for his own songs. He exploits other artists' songs for his own monetary gain; yet, he whines when Beatles' songs are used for commercial gain. PLEASE, let's stop with the DOUBLE STANDARDS!
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The bigger double standard is when people put down "selling to Commercials", commercials have become the new marketing tool for older artists, and can u blame them. With the airwaves full of bullshit music and MTV never playing music, where is an older artist gonna go for a wide play? It pisses me off when people talk about Sting and John Mellencamp and its wrong to sell your new song to a commercial, oh really. Well lets look at the facts, Stings "Brand New Day" album was going nowhere, he had the song "Desert Rose" and wanted it released, the label said NO WAY, so he sold it to a commercial, not only did it net him millions, but people went out and bought the CD that they didnt even know was out. The same goes for Mellencamp, he said plainly, "Where can i go to get played at my age?" well he gave "Our Country" to a commercial, it got played everywhere, he had his highest debut album, he netted a few million just from the commercial which was donated, and gets a piece everytime the commercial is played. So i dont doubt that if Paul would have won the rights that he wouldnt have sold his songs to commercials, I mean David Bowie did it as soon as he got his rights.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #37 posted 03/15/07 10:43am

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBr_rCP9RjM
MJ sold Revolution ( the beatles song) rights to a Nike commercial.


The commercial itself, hosted by the director: http://www.youtube.com/wa...MXhtFik-vI
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Reply #38 posted 03/15/07 10:46am

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He needs to sell them back to Paul. It would suck big time to have to buy your own music from someone else, but at least Paul would have it back.
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Reply #39 posted 03/15/07 10:47am

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bboy87 said:

RF has been saying this for like 4 years now lol



yeah...its silly...and all the other media outlets pick it up and nothing ever comes of it...kinda like mj was in forclosure...and mj was filing bankrupty...each act would result in a public notice being issued by the courts...which all them media outlets would publish.


but it never happens...cause its all bs.

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Mike maynot be ready to file for BK tommorow but, he likes borrowing money , not paying it back and not working. He even borowed against the Beatles catalogue. He needs to get off his butt and work.
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Reply #40 posted 03/15/07 11:22am

Red

Breaking Michael down to the point of him selling the other half of the catalogue has always been Sony's long term intension. It started about 6 years ago and it would appear tht their time has come.
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Reply #41 posted 03/15/07 12:33pm

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skyecute said:


Please spare me with the "Paul appealed to him as an artist...". That is not true. [Edited 3/15/07 7:26am]


blahblah

Oh, then I guess I should take YOUR word over Paul's. I heard him interviewed -I think I even have it on tape. Yeah, Michael Jackson is a way more credible source of info. giggle

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Reply #42 posted 03/15/07 12:34pm

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skyecute said:

bboy87 said:

At least he gave Little Richard back his publishing rights


Isn't it interesting that Friedman and other "whiners" don't mention this fact about MJ returning all of Little Richards publishing rights to him? You would think that some of these people who do the most MJ bashing would have some knowledge of other things except bashing a person because they don't like him.


You're ridiculous - I DO like MJ... but I don't have to like all his biz practices.
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Reply #43 posted 03/15/07 12:37pm

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The Beatles need to get of their asses & buy it themselves. Together they have the money. It might break them, but only for about ten minutes.

The Beatles catalog is one of the best investments you could make, and at least Paul might stop whining if they had it.
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Reply #44 posted 03/15/07 3:49pm

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NDRU said:

The Beatles need to get of their asses & buy it themselves. Together they have the money. It might break them, but only for about ten minutes.

The Beatles catalog is one of the best investments you could make, and at least Paul might stop whining if they had it.


Actually, you're right. nod But maybe it's more important to all of us than to the remaining fabs (Paul and Ringo) - although Paul seems to care (tried to get the Lennon/McCartney reversed for "his" songs).

hmmm ... could be at this point Heather Mills might be able to afford the catalog lol

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Reply #45 posted 03/15/07 3:58pm

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NDRU said:

The Beatles need to get of their asses & buy it themselves. Together they have the money. It might break them, but only for about ten minutes.

The Beatles catalog is one of the best investments you could make, and at least Paul might stop whining if they had it.


Actually, you're right. nod But maybe it's more important to all of us than to the remaining fabs (Paul and Ringo) - although Paul seems to care (tried to get the Lennon/McCartney reversed for "his" songs).

hmmm ... could be at this point Heather Mills might be able to afford the catalog lol

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yeah really, maybe Paul's got to save his cash right now! lol
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Reply #46 posted 03/15/07 4:39pm

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doesn't this story pop up every year or two?
"I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you."
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Reply #47 posted 03/16/07 1:06am

jn2

skyecute said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

I hope whoever owns the catalog next will not exploit it the way MJ did. You'd think Paul would buy it, but he said in an interview once that it seems absurd to pay millions for something he did for free 40 years ago. I CRINGE pissed everytime the Target commerical comes on with their version of "Hello, Good buy" mad


It's amazing the downright ignorance and hypocrisy when it comes to Michael. Michael is HALF owner of the Sony/ATV catalogue. How can he be blamed for "exploiting" the catalogue when Sony owns the other half? If you are going to claim that MJ is exploiting, then why not be fair(as if that is possible when it comes to Michael) and say that SONY is exploiting the catalogue. In fact, there are Beatles songs that Michael REFUSES to allow for commercialization. I really get pissed when people have this "holier than thou" attitude toward Beatles songs, when Paul McCartney is "whoring" Buddy Holly's songs for every commercial that he can find. Are you trying to tell me that it is alright for Paul to do what he and others are whining about. Another thing that is so hypocritical is would the whiners still be whining if it was someone else who owned the Beatles catalogue and not Michael? You can guarantee that if CBS had gotten the rights( they bid around $42 million, Michael bid $46 million) for this catalogue, they would have been using songs for commercials even more. No one buys a catalogue just to sit and look at them and people need allowing their hate to cloud their judgement. Paul is exploiting Buddy Holly's songs and thousands of others and I haven't heard one complaint from the media, music industry or detractors.

Buddy Holly wasn't Paul's friend.
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