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Thread started 03/04/07 5:06pm

MikeMatronik

Alanis Morissette: Is there a legacy after Jagged Little Pill?

Before my love for Madonna or Prince, I was an Alanis Morissette fanatic. I listened to JLP 24/7...all the time...anywhere...

Then She released SFIJ...I loved it. But after that...she became so...lame! confused

I would got in tune with her with "So-Called Chaos". It's a nice album. I usually listen to that one when I want to clean my head from trivial notions.

Is there a legacy after Jagged Little Pill? Does Alanis matter anymore?
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Reply #1 posted 03/04/07 5:16pm

CinisterCee

Canada had Alanis since 1991, so for me check out SFIJ was like... above the call of duty. lol
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Reply #2 posted 03/04/07 5:19pm

MikeMatronik

CinisterCee said:

Canada had Alanis since 1991, so for me check out SFIJ was like... above the call of duty. lol


SFIJ is one of her most stronger albums. It's very dificult to digest...Some tunes connect alot with my life.

About the 1st 2 canadian albums...I never listened to them,
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Reply #3 posted 03/04/07 5:21pm

CinisterCee

MikeMatronik said:

About the 1st 2 canadian albums...I never listened to them,


Don't. I'm just saying, to me her career didn't start with Jagged Little Pill so it certainly doesn't seem odd that we would see a rapid decline by decade's end.

I own SFIJ.

I don't have "Uninvited" on anything but I liked that track.
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Reply #4 posted 03/04/07 5:24pm

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Reply #5 posted 03/04/07 5:25pm

MikeMatronik

CinisterCee said:

MikeMatronik said:

About the 1st 2 canadian albums...I never listened to them,


Don't. I'm just saying, to me her career didn't start with Jagged Little Pill so it certainly doesn't seem odd that we would see a rapid decline by decade's end.

I own SFIJ.

I don't have "Uninvited" on anything but I liked that track.


"Uninvited" can be found on the City of Angles OST and The Collection. Also Alanis' MTV Unplugged features a version. The australian version of SFIJ also features the demo version of the song (just piano and vox)
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Reply #6 posted 03/04/07 5:53pm

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Yes, there's a legacy after JLP. Of my 3 favorites by her, only one is from that album:

1. That I Would Be Good love
2. Uninvited
3. Head Over Feet
"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis
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Reply #7 posted 03/04/07 6:28pm

CinisterCee

Did they EVER play the fuck out of "Hands Clean" in Canada.

"Precious Illusions" was the better single but I had to hesitate there to recall its title.
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Reply #8 posted 03/04/07 8:45pm

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Believe it or not, Jagged is my least favorite LP from her, even though i memorise each and every track in that album.

Junkie, Underrug Swept & So Called Chaous are much better albums to me.

Very mellow and laid back and yet you still get to hear some resentment, unlike Jagged which was mostly angry.
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Reply #9 posted 03/04/07 9:03pm

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MikeMatronik said:

Before my love for Madonna or Prince, I was an Alanis Morissette fanatic. I listened to JLP 24/7...all the time...anywhere...

Then She released SFIJ...I loved it. But after that...she became so...lame! confused

I would got in tune with her with "So-Called Chaos". It's a nice album. I usually listen to that one when I want to clean my head from trivial notions.

Is there a legacy after Jagged Little Pill? Does Alanis matter anymore?


IMHO, no.

Jagged Little Pill is one of the best albums of the 1990's. But at what cost? To myself personally, Alanis was at her best when she was piss-off. Even if it was all an act (due from dropping from her Debbie Gibson-lite persona of her first 2 albums) is beside the point, because THAT angry rock female persona was working great for her. But as soon as she allow that persona to calm down and allow the media to see that she isn't really an angry rockstar all the time, THAT moment ruin her career and Alanis Morissette, the superstar, never recover since.

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Reply #10 posted 03/04/07 11:09pm

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Yes, but JLP was the one she really got right. My theory is that it was a combination of her self awareness and Glen Ballard's pop expertise coming together at the perfect time.

After it was such a hit, I think she probably took greater control. So maybe her later stuff is more personal, but it didn't have the same appeal to more casual listeners like me.
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Reply #11 posted 03/05/07 1:27am

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My boyfriened is a huge fan so I saw her live in concert several times. I like some of her stuff, especially You Oughta Know, Ironic and Uninvited and I am sure I am forgetting some songs here hmmm. But lately she really is becoming lame me thinks sad .
With a very special thank you to Tina: Is hammer already absolute, how much some people verändern...ICH hope is never so I will be! And if, then I hope that I would then have wen in my environment who joins me in the A....
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Reply #12 posted 03/05/07 2:37am

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I loved SFIJ - better than Jagged Little Pill. There are some awesome tracks on that album. It truly is very under-rated.

They unfortunately got progressively worse from there on... although I am partial to Eight Easy Steps and This Grudge from her last album.
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Reply #13 posted 03/05/07 5:58am

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she sucks ass
that voice is horrid , makes me wanna go stfu
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Reply #14 posted 03/05/07 9:15am

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Simple answer is no. SHe got way over exposed and personally didn't want to follow up that album as quickly as she did. Obviously it hurt her carreer. We all loved her, I mean LOVED tha woman. She got too over played. And just when we put the headphones down, another album came out.

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Reply #15 posted 03/05/07 9:20am

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I like her, even if can't listen to too much of her at once. There's something good on each album. The fact that she seems always willing to keep growing as an artist, even if she knows it won't put her on TRL, is cool.
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I really liked "Hands Clean" and I listend to that "So Called CHoas" more than "Jagged LIttle Pill" (bought it right when it came out and only bought "Jagged" a few years ago). I guess she doesn't have a legacy per say. She's had a few hits here and there but I think the public will still remember her for "Jagged" and it's hit songs. Frankly, her greatest hits album wasn't marketed very well and seems to feature a lot of filler. I think to some extent she was a victim of Maverick's poor marketing, no? Did they ever have any album (besides Madonna's) that made an impression even close to "Jagged Little Pill"'s?
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Reply #17 posted 03/05/07 9:30am

MikeMatronik

VinnyM27 said:

I really liked "Hands Clean" and I listend to that "So Called CHoas" more than "Jagged LIttle Pill" (bought it right when it came out and only bought "Jagged" a few years ago). I guess she doesn't have a legacy per say. She's had a few hits here and there but I think the public will still remember her for "Jagged" and it's hit songs. Frankly, her greatest hits album wasn't marketed very well and seems to feature a lot of filler. I think to some extent she was a victim of Maverick's poor marketing, no? Did they ever have any album (besides Madonna's) that made an impression even close to "Jagged Little Pill"'s?


Deftones' "White Pony" was very sucessfull...but I think that Alanis was the biggest act of Maverick.

I think that Madonna never had a record contract with Maverick, but only to WB. I think she only used the Maverick logo on the releases from Erotica until American Life.

COADF was not issued as a Maverick/WB record
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Reply #18 posted 03/05/07 9:47am

CinisterCee

This is now a Madonna thread.
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MikeMatronik said:

VinnyM27 said:

I really liked "Hands Clean" and I listend to that "So Called CHoas" more than "Jagged LIttle Pill" (bought it right when it came out and only bought "Jagged" a few years ago). I guess she doesn't have a legacy per say. She's had a few hits here and there but I think the public will still remember her for "Jagged" and it's hit songs. Frankly, her greatest hits album wasn't marketed very well and seems to feature a lot of filler. I think to some extent she was a victim of Maverick's poor marketing, no? Did they ever have any album (besides Madonna's) that made an impression even close to "Jagged Little Pill"'s?


Deftones' "White Pony" was very sucessfull...but I think that Alanis was the biggest act of Maverick.

I think that Madonna never had a record contract with Maverick, but only to WB. I think she only used the Maverick logo on the releases from Erotica until American Life.

COADF was not issued as a Maverick/WB record


I noticed that. Maverick in name only I was thinking. I guess that Deftones album is notable, huh?
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Reply #20 posted 03/05/07 10:02am

CinisterCee

VinnyM27 said:

I think to some extent she was a victim of Maverick's poor marketing, no?


But Jagged Little Pill was marketed by Maverick, no? confused

I agree with superspaceboy. The album just wasn't followed up soon enough.
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Reply #21 posted 03/05/07 10:26am

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I didn't mean to make it a Madonna thread...but let's discuss the finer points of her first release with the Maverick logo, "Erotica"....

censored But, seriously, I'll stop...."You wouldn't let me say the words I longed to say"...
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Reply #22 posted 03/05/07 10:28am

CinisterCee

Was this Glen Ballard's most successful project?
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Reply #23 posted 03/05/07 10:31am

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Maverick also had a big alternative rock success with Candlebox, Michelle Branch, and Prodigy (in America). Madonna's records weren't marketed by Maverick, but by Warner Bros, I think.
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Reply #24 posted 03/05/07 11:17am

MikeMatronik

Axchi696 said:

Maverick also had a big alternative rock success with Candlebox, Michelle Branch, and Prodigy (in America). Madonna's records weren't marketed by Maverick, but by Warner Bros, I think.


Yes...they only carried the maverick logo.
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Reply #25 posted 03/05/07 1:52pm

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This speaks volumes about the success of "Jagged Little Pill". In 1999, Alanis released an "Unplugged" disc/special which I don't remember being all that groundbreaking...Then for the tenth year anniversary of "Jagged", she releases a full auostic verison of the album (which was originally only available through Starbucks and a bigger seller for them and months later available everywhere). It wasn't a big hit either but the fact that there is a rerecording of this album speaks volumes. I don't think most artists would admit that they had one album that had that much of an impression while others did not.
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Reply #26 posted 03/05/07 2:48pm

MikeMatronik

VinnyM27 said:

This speaks volumes about the success of "Jagged Little Pill". In 1999, Alanis released an "Unplugged" disc/special which I don't remember being all that groundbreaking...Then for the tenth year anniversary of "Jagged", she releases a full auostic verison of the album (which was originally only available through Starbucks and a bigger seller for them and months later available everywhere). It wasn't a big hit either but the fact that there is a rerecording of this album speaks volumes. I don't think most artists would admit that they had one album that had that much of an impression while others did not.


The MTV Unplugged was the alanis album that sold more in my country and it spent several months on the top 10 albums.

It was not heavy on JLP material:

1. "You Learn" (Glen Ballard, Alanis Morissette) – 4:21

2. "Joining You" (Ballard, Morissette) – 5:09
3. "No Pressure over Cappuccino" (Nick Lashley, Morissette) –4:41
4. "That I Would Be Good" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:14
5. "Head over Feet" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:22
6. "Princes Familiar" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:37
7. "I Was Hoping" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:53
8. "Ironic" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:13
9. "These R the Thoughts" (Ballard, Morissette) – 3:25
10. "King of Pain" (The Police) – 4:05
11. "You Oughta Know" (Ballard, Morissette) – 5:01
12. "Uninvited" (Morissette) – 4:37
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Reply #27 posted 03/05/07 4:17pm

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Jagged Little Pill change the landscape of Pop music in America for the better part of the 90s.

As for the other albums, my favorites are:


1) Under Rug Swept (my favorite, because of the tunes)
2) SFIJ (her best artsy fartsy effort)


It seems the the most recent ones are a bit tame. Kind of like she's searching for her inner self, and found someone on riddlen.

I always buy her albums though. More times than not, at least half the songs are interesting enough to me lyrically to pay attention for a little while.
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Reply #28 posted 03/05/07 4:33pm

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I loved Alanis back in 95 and love her even more today.

Every album she's delivered since JLP has connected with me in some way.

She released a superb single last year called "Wunderkind" from The Chronicles Of Narnia OST. It was quietly released after her greatest hits album came out and was eventually nominated for a Golden Globe.

Although she may not be the girl with the most cake anymore, she still has delivered some very solid chart hits during this decade: "Hands Clean", "Everything" and her cover of Seal's "Crazy" come to mind. Plus, every studio album since JLP has gone Top 10.

The last few albums have sold at least 2-3 million worldwide so I'd say HELL YES. There is a legacy after JLP. You just have to be a fan to appreciate it.
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Reply #29 posted 03/05/07 4:37pm

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MikeMatronik said:

VinnyM27 said:

This speaks volumes about the success of "Jagged Little Pill". In 1999, Alanis released an "Unplugged" disc/special which I don't remember being all that groundbreaking...Then for the tenth year anniversary of "Jagged", she releases a full auostic verison of the album (which was originally only available through Starbucks and a bigger seller for them and months later available everywhere). It wasn't a big hit either but the fact that there is a rerecording of this album speaks volumes. I don't think most artists would admit that they had one album that had that much of an impression while others did not.


The MTV Unplugged was the alanis album that sold more in my country and it spent several months on the top 10 albums.

It was not heavy on JLP material:

1. "You Learn" (Glen Ballard, Alanis Morissette) – 4:21

2. "Joining You" (Ballard, Morissette) – 5:09
3. "No Pressure over Cappuccino" (Nick Lashley, Morissette) –4:41
4. "That I Would Be Good" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:14
5. "Head over Feet" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:22
6. "Princes Familiar" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:37
7. "I Was Hoping" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:53
8. "Ironic" (Ballard, Morissette) – 4:13
9. "These R the Thoughts" (Ballard, Morissette) – 3:25
10. "King of Pain" (The Police) – 4:05
11. "You Oughta Know" (Ballard, Morissette) – 5:01
12. "Uninvited" (Morissette) – 4:37

And it's a good album. nod
"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis
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