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George Michael by far!
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2elijah said: Ok..I'll try to find one...in the meantime..here's a portion of her bio I found on the net... MARIAH CAREY Childhood and Famil: "[i]Daughter to Irish/African-American/Venezuelan descendant parents, Mariah Angela Carey was born on March 27, 1970, in Huntington, New York. Her father is Alfred Roy Carey, an aeronautical engineer, and her mother is Patricia Hickey, a former mezzo-soprano New York City opera singer and freelance vocal coach. Growing up in a multiracial family, young Mariah stumbled upon racial discrimination. Her parents divorced when she was three and Mariah continued to live with her mother. There always has been some cloudiness about Mariah Carey's father and his ethnicity. From all accounts, he sounds biracial (or in Venezuelan terms, "Mestizo" -- which is mixed race between white, African and Amerindian). The cloudiness is also because of Carey's own appearance: 
There is nothing in Carey's appearance that suggest she is of a African-based ancestry. [Edited 3/4/07 14:47pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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AlexdeParis said: I forgot all about KC! I thought of Lisa, but I also thought Teena's reputation (coupled with her success, particularly her larger number of hit albums) gave her the edge. My favorite Stansfield song is her second #1, "You Can't Deny It."
 My particular favorite from Lisa Stansfield was the ballad, "All Woman" (her third No. 1 single). I prefer Stansfield over Teena Marie in large part because I felt Stansfield's sound and style was more original (Marie came off a lot of times as sounding like a white female version of Rick James, even when he didn't have an active role in producing her music). But if you ask soul music fans this question, Marie is going to win this contest in a rout. [Edited 3/4/07 14:59pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Double post. [Edited 3/4/07 14:46pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: 2elijah said: Ok..I'll try to find one...in the meantime..here's a portion of her bio I found on the net... MARIAH CAREY Childhood and Famil: "[i]Daughter to Irish/African-American/Venezuelan descendant parents, Mariah Angela Carey was born on March 27, 1970, in Huntington, New York. Her father is Alfred Roy Carey, an aeronautical engineer, and her mother is Patricia Hickey, a former mezzo-soprano New York City opera singer and freelance vocal coach. Growing up in a multiracial family, young Mariah stumbled upon racial discrimination. Her parents divorced when she was three and Mariah continued to live with her mother. There always has been some cloudiness about Mariah Carey's father and his ethnicity. From all accounts, he sounds biaracial (or in Venezuelan terms, "Mestizo" -- which is mixed race between white, African and Amerindian). The cloudiness is also because of Carey's own appearance: There is nothing in Carey's appearance that suggest she is of a African-based ancestry.
Najee said: There is nothing in Carey's appearance that suggest she is of a African-based ancestry.[/color] Well this is the information I found and she has publically stated her father is a Black Venezuelan: Info below: " Alfred Roy Carey : Mariah Carey's father Citizenship : American. His father was a Venezuelan, named Roberto Nuñez. The latter changed his named to Robert Carey when he immigrated to the USA. Occupation : Aeronautical engineer Mariah's relationship with her father was much more distant. First of all, he wanted to give her a very strict upbringing that didn't suit her mischievous character. Also, her parents divorced when she was only 3. For example, when Mariah hummed at the dinner table, her father would immediately tell her to keep quiet. Mariah would directly get up from the table and continue singing. Of course, it'd make her father angry. After the divorce, Alfred and Alison moved to Washington D.C. In the beginning, Mariah used to visit him quite often. Nevertheless, she recalls with embarrassment that she used to hide so that the other kids wouldn't see her with a black man. Mariah would tell them that her dark complexion was due to her Italian origins. Progressively, those visits became less frequent. Not that long ago, her father wasn't even aware of her success. He believed that she had only released one album thus far. For a laugh, Mariah and her mom would call it "THE Album." However, following the introspection that she began during the "Butterfly" era, Mariah felt like returning to her roots; Mariah and her father finally became reconciled. Their emotional bonds have grown stronger especially since he got sick. She is also trying to get in touch with her grandparents on her paternal side. Seeing that they were hostile to her parents' union, they seem to be opposed to a reunion. On July 4th 2002, Alfred Roy Carey lost his battle to cancer." Her story kind of reminds you of the movie "Imitation of Life." [Edited 3/4/07 15:05pm] | |
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2elijah said: Well this is the information I found and she has publically stated her father is a Black Venezuelan.
Here is the problem with this issue and those comments you posted (in addition to being very one-sided -- in what manner can Mariah Carey's complexion can be considered dark? That her father wasn't aware of her success or the level of celebrity she was?): Don't you find it odd that in the nearly two decades Carey has been one of the world's top recording acts, you cannot find one picture of her father anywhere? This issue of her ethnicity has been a discussion as long as her career, and you mean to tell me that this man was living in the United States all this time and no one has snapped a picture of him? Also, the United States has a very odd sociology established in slavery when it comes to classifying people "black:" namely, if you have one grandparent who has African ancestry that means you can be called black. How come it doesn't make equally as much sense to say Carey is white, given her appearance, dominance of white ancestry in her family and seemingly her upbringing? I believe this calls for a separate thread to be created. [Edited 3/4/07 15:37pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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AlexdeParis said: I forgot all about KC! I thought of Lisa, but I also thought Teena's reputation (coupled with her success, particularly her larger number of hit albums) gave her the edge. My favorite Stansfield song is her second #1, "You Can't Deny It."
As far as white males go, does George Michael have a better track record than Jon B., a white artist who is almost exclusively a soul artist? Jon B. also can count several hit songs on the Billboard R&B Singles charts, including the duet with Babyface "Someone to Love," They Don't Know", "Are U Still Down" featuring Tupac Shakur and "I Do (Whatcha Say Boo)." THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: AlexdeParis said: I forgot all about KC! I thought of Lisa, but I also thought Teena's reputation (coupled with her success, particularly her larger number of hit albums) gave her the edge. My favorite Stansfield song is her second #1, "You Can't Deny It."
As far as white males go, does George Michael have a better track record than Jon B., a white artist who is almost exclusively a soul artist? Jon B. also can count several hit songs on the Billboard R&B Singles charts, including the duet with Babyface "Someone to Love," They Don't Know", "Are U Still Down" featuring Tupac Shakur and "I Do (Whatcha Say Boo)." Actually, George is more successful any way you look at it. None of Jon's albums went to #1 and he only had two top-10 hits ("Someone to Love" at #7 and "They Don't Know" at #2). "I Do (Whatcha Say Boo)" peaked at #18 while "Pretty Girl" and "Don't Talk" both reached #21. "Are You Still Down" was the b-side to "They Don't Know" (although it could be considered a double a-side). Jon B. is an R&B artist first and foremost, but he hasn't made quite as big as splash as George Michael did with Faith. BTW, I forgot about George's duet with Aretha "I Knew You Were Waiting (For Me)." That was another top-10 R&B hit. Speaking of George Michael, I think he beats out the late Luther Vandross as the artist who has covered the most Stevie Wonder songs. [Edited 3/4/07 16:06pm] "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said: Actually, George is more successful any way you look at it. None of Jon's albums went to #1 and he only had two top-10 hits ("Someone to Love" at #7 and "They Don't Know" at #2). "I Do (Whatcha Say Boo)" peaked at #18 while "Pretty Girl" and "Don't Talk" both reached #21. "Are You Still Down" was the b-side to "They Don't Know" (although it could be considered a double a-side). Jon B. is an R&B artist first and foremost, but he hasn't made quite as big as splash as George Michael did with Faith.
Speaking of George Michael, I think he beats out the late Luther Vandross as the artist who has covered the most Stevie Wonder songs. I agree. Also, George Michael is going to be more critically lauded for his music than Jon B. You also forgot to name Michael's duet with Aretha Franklin, "I Knew You Were Waiting," as another song that did well on the Billboard R&B Singles charts (I believe it went to No. 3). Another song he did with Wham! -- "Everything She Wants" -- peaked at No. 12 on those same charts. THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: AlexdeParis said: Actually, George is more successful any way you look at it. None of Jon's albums went to #1 and he only had two top-10 hits ("Someone to Love" at #7 and "They Don't Know" at #2). "I Do (Whatcha Say Boo)" peaked at #18 while "Pretty Girl" and "Don't Talk" both reached #21. "Are You Still Down" was the b-side to "They Don't Know" (although it could be considered a double a-side). Jon B. is an R&B artist first and foremost, but he hasn't made quite as big as splash as George Michael did with Faith.
Speaking of George Michael, I think he beats out the late Luther Vandross as the artist who has covered the most Stevie Wonder songs. I agree. Also, George Michael is going to be more critically lauded for his music than Jon B. You also forgot to name Michael's duet with Aretha Franklin, "I Knew You Were Waiting," as another song that did well on the Billboard R&B Singles charts (I believe it went to No. 3). Another song he did with Wham! -- "Everything She Wants" -- peaked at No. 12 on those same charts. Actually, we caught that first omission at the same time (see my now-edited post). I thought "Everything She Wants" charted well, but I couldn't remember it and couldn't find the info online. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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2elijah said: CosmicTalk said: Elvis had soul - right after he stole it.
 That's true...he used to go to the black clubs to hear them sing...according to James Brown's last book. He was curious about the "gospel" sound and frequented those clubs constantly.  Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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Najee said: 2elijah said: Well this is the information I found and she has publically stated her father is a Black Venezuelan.
Here is the problem with this issue and those comments you posted (in addition to being very one-sided -- in what manner can Mariah Carey's complexion can be considered dark? That her father wasn't aware of her success or the level of celebrity she was?): Don't you find it odd that in the nearly two decades Carey has been one of the world's top recording acts, you cannot find one picture of her father anywhere? This issue of her ethnicity has been a discussion as long as her career, and you mean to tell me that this man was living in the United States all this time and no one has snapped a picture of him? Also, the United States has a very odd sociology established in slavery when it comes to classifying people "black:" namely, if you have one grandparent who has African ancestry that means you can be called black. How come it doesn't make equally as much sense to say Carey is white, given her appearance, dominance of white ancestry in her family and seemingly her upbringing? I believe this calls for a separate thread to be created. [Edited 3/4/07 15:37pm] Najee said: I believe this calls for a separate thread to be created Ok, now one-sided I'm not..but feel free to start a separate thread if you like.  ..Peace!...moving on.  [Edited 3/5/07 8:32am] | |
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CosmicTalk said: 2elijah said: That's true...he used to go to the black clubs to hear them sing...according to James Brown's last book. He was curious about the "gospel" sound and frequented those clubs constantly. Yes, James stated in his book that Elvis loved "the gospel and soul sound" and was curious about it, so he often frequented Black clubs. | |
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AlexdeParis said: Actually, we caught that first omission (Aretha Franklin and George Michael's "I Knew You Were Waiting for Me") at the same time (see my now-edited post). I thought "Everything She Wants" charted well, but I couldn't remember it and couldn't find the info online.
The duet between George Michael and Aretha Franklin peaked at No. 5 on the 1987 Billboard R&B Singles chart the week of April 18, 1987. We also forgot to mention Michael penned and sang background on former Wham! bassist Deon Estus' hit "Heaven Help Me" (which peaked at No. 3 on the week of May 20, 1989) -- a song that was a hit because Estus essentially channeled Michael. The more you mention it, it is shaping up that Michael may be the male winner in this category -- only KC and The Sunshine Band can give Michael a run for his money, but it's really a two-horse race at best. [Edited 3/4/07 18:35pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: AlexdeParis said: Actually, we caught that first omission (Aretha Franklin and George Michael's "I Knew You Were Waiting for Me") at the same time (see my now-edited post). I thought "Everything She Wants" charted well, but I couldn't remember it and couldn't find the info online.
The duet between George Michael and Aretha Franklin peaked at No. 5 on the 1987 Billboard R&B Singles chart the week of April 18, 1987. We also forgot to mention Michael penned and sang background on former Wham! bassist Deon Estus' hit "Heaven Help Me" (which peaked at No. 3 on the week of May 20, 1989) -- a song that was a hit because Estus essentially channeled Michael. I thought about that one, but forgot to post it. The more you mention it, it is shaping up that Michael may be the male winner in this category -- only KC and The Sunshine Band can give Michael a run for his money, but it's really a two-horse race at best.
That's why it was a damn shame Mary J. Blige's record label wouldn't let him include their cover of "As" on Ladies and Gentlemen. It's a great cover and, homophobia or not, he already had a fanbase in her audience. I believe it peaked at #57 on airplay alone, but it could've been a much bigger R&B hit. "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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AlexdeParis said:[quote] Najee said: I thought about that one, but forgot to post it. The more you mention it, it is shaping up that Michael may be the male winner in this category -- only KC and The Sunshine Band can give Michael a run for his money, but it's really a two-horse race at best.[/color]
That's why it was a damn shame Mary J. Blige's record label wouldn't let him include their cover of "As" on Ladies and Gentlemen. It's a great cover and, homophobia or not, he already had a fanbase in her audience. I believe it peaked at #57 on airplay alone, but it could've been a much bigger R&B hit. tired thread | |
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thedribbler said: tired thread
You're saying that because you got shot down on your notion of listing artists not impactful in the genre as being "soul singers." THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: thedribbler said: tired thread
You're saying that because you got shot down on your notion of listing artists not impactful in the genre as being "soul singers." no i'm not. | |
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TonyVanDam said: Michael McDonald & Teena Marie are the stardards.
McDonald has done some cheesy s@#t but there's no disputing the fact he and Teena are the stand outs. I think Daryl Hall isn't far behind ... take a listen to the solo 'Soul Alone' CD and you'll hear the more soulful end of his stuff. | |
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theodore said: 2elijah said: Yes, her father was a Black Venezuelan and her mom is White. Irish  who is that? | |
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beret1022 said: theodore said: Irish who is that? Mariah Carey and her Mom. | |
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2elijah said: beret1022 said: who is that? Mariah Carey and her Mom. She looks - different. | |
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If George Michael gets mentioned then the other George has to be mentioned to - Boy George. Cornbread, Grits, and Collard Greens/I got what you need/If you want it/Cuz I'm a pimp, girl/With a drippy, juicy Jheri Curl | |
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George Michael.
from the new generation: John Mayer & Will Young. | |
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Najee said: Don't you find it odd that in the nearly two decades Carey has been one of the world's top recording acts, you cannot find one picture of her father anywhere? you serious? she showed her father's photos a gazillion times in the media, last was in the AMA's in 03 - the year he died - when she did a tribute to him and showed his photo in the big screen behind her. See it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hj20jgWMDxQ 2003 was the 1st she met him since he left her and her mom when she was 3 years old, and he died the same year. [Edited 3/5/07 9:18am] | |
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PricelessHo said: Najee said: Don't you find it odd that in the nearly two decades Carey has been one of the world's top recording acts, you cannot find one picture of her father anywhere? you serious? she showed her father's photos a gazillion times in the media, last was in the AMA's in 03 - the year he died - when she did a tribute to him and showed his photo in the big screen behind her. See it here: http://youtube.com/watch?v=hj20jgWMDxQ 2003 was the 1st she met him since he left her and her mom when she was 3 years old, and he died the same year. [Edited 3/5/07 9:18am] He died in 2002... she dedicated the Charmbracelet album 2 him. Try Sunflowers 4 Alfred Roy on that album. My father died the same year  | |
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theAudience said: In terms of females, i'd put...
 
...Dusty Springfield or Lydia Pense waaaaay ahead of anyone i've seen listed so far. tA  Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 I'm jonesing fo' summa dat Lydia Pense..Cold Blood.    National Funk League✮✮ | |
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theAudience said: Lewis Taylor  Yes Lawd!! Dat's ma' boy!!! Whatever he's doing now ....
  
  
... [Edited 3/5/07 12:28pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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I'm glad someone mentioned Lewis Taylor.
Don't forget about Jamie Lidell. |
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