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Some Discussions About Journey. I was reading blackguitaristz post about how he used to rock out on his guitar back in the day and wearing Journey t-shirts, so it gave me the idea to start a forum topic on the group.
I have always liked the group and have enjoyed many of their songs throughout the many years. But why exactly was the group so despised and dismissed by both music fans and rock critics? I mean Steve Perry has one of the best voices in music ever(never noticed how much he sounds like Sam Cooke til recently actually) and Neal Schon is certainly no slouch on the guitar either. Not to mention the great keyboard playing by Jonathan Cain. They were all pretty much first class musicians. So why all of the dislike and lack of respect from so many people towards them? | |
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Who gives a flying F*#K what some critic (professional or armchair or NWF  ) has to say.
If you dig the music, that's all that really matters. Remember they were having their biggest hits during the skinny-tie era when any New Wave band were the critic's darlings. I followed Neal Schon's progress from his early teenage days with Santana. Journey was very good at what they did (Power Pop/Rock vibe). My favorite album by Journey is... 
...Raised On Radio featuring Randy "Dawg" Jackson on bass. My Journey mixtape... Lights Wheel In The Sky Lovin' You Is Easy Any Way You Want It Walks Like A Lady Stone In Love Lay It Down Still They Ride Who's Crying Now Send Her My Love After The Fall Happy To Give I'll Be Alright Without You Girl Can't Help It ...Please don't ask "Why didn't you include" or "You forgot". Just make your own. 
Def Leppard and Toto were other good bands in that genre and era that seemed to generate the same ire from the so called critics and hipsters. tA  Tribal Disorder
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My little brother told me he liked Journey and I was ready to have an intervention. 
Who else he said he liked... Boston!  This kid is 17.
I left him alone though. I mean, he likes other stuff that I think is really good: Jimi Hendrix, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin. | |
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CinisterCee said: My little brother told me he liked Journey and I was ready to have an intervention.
Who else he said he liked... Boston! This kid is 17.
I left him alone though. I mean, he likes other stuff that I think is really good: Jimi Hendrix, Deep Purple, Led Zeppelin. The boy cant help it, he needs more. 
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Man, Neal Schon was a freakin' prodigy - in addition to Carlos Santana, Eric Clapton was reportedly interested in the teenager joining his band. Dude is one of the most melodic cats out there on geetar. He, Jonathan Cain and Steve Perry seem to have this chemistry - it just works. The females dig it, so f**k the critics. My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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yeah my lil bro always ends up checkin for the geetar  because he took some lessons himself | |
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I don't understand why people them so much...  | |
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Def Leppard and Toto were other good bands in that genre and era that seemed to generate the same ire from the so called critics and hipsters.
 I´m a hipster! I hate Def Leppard!
but I do like some Toto and Journey  "Todo está bien chévere" Stevie | |
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JesseDezz said: Man, Neal Schon was a freakin' prodigy - in addition to Carlos Santana, Eric Clapton was reportedly interested in the teenager joining his band. Dude is one of the most melodic cats out there on geetar. He, Jonathan Cain and Steve Perry seem to have this chemistry - it just works. The females dig it, so f**k the critics.
Schon made a great instrumental album back in '95 called 'Beyond The Thunder'. Very beautiful and haunting music with some very mellow and lovely melodies on them. It also features Jonathan Cain's great keyboard playing. I would suggest picking it up if you are ever able to find it. Just some great chill out music. | |
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I'm still trying to find JOURNEY: The Randy Jackson Years.
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PFunkjazz said: I'm still trying to find JOURNEY: The Randy Jackson Years.
Randy was dealing... 
...with Journey. tA Tribal Disorder
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I live in the north bay & see Neal Schon all the time. Just saw him eating lunch at the cheesecake factory. Weeeee..... |
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theAudience said: Who gives a flying F*#K what some critic (professional or armchair or NWF
) has to say.
If you dig the music, that's all that really matters. Remember they were having their biggest hits during the skinny-tie era when any New Wave band were the critic's darlings. I followed Neal Schon's progress from his early teenage days with Santana. Journey was very good at what they did (Power Pop/Rock vibe). My favorite album by Journey is...
...Raised On Radio featuring Randy "Dawg" Jackson on bass. My Journey mixtape... Lights Wheel In The Sky Lovin' You Is Easy Any Way You Want It Walks Like A Lady Stone In Love Lay It Down Still They Ride Who's Crying Now Send Her My Love After The Fall Happy To Give I'll Be Alright Without You Girl Can't Help It ...Please don't ask "Why didn't you include" or "You forgot". Just make your own.
Def Leppard and Toto were other good bands in that genre and era that seemed to generate the same ire from the so called critics and hipsters. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 I have to re-tell my Def Leppard story. Freshman year in college one of my roomates (there were four of us sharing a dorm room: two African-American art students and two Asian-American engineering students. I think we got stuck together because all four of us didn't smoke. ) was really into Def Leppard and played 'Hysteria' night and day. I was NOT a fan and was so sick of that album that I even placed my roommate's cassette behind the glass of his fishtank while he was out one day so it looked like I had drowned it in there, lol. Anyway, after maybe the 500th time hearing it, something clicked and I started to like all the songs. So much so that I bought their 'Vault' compilation a few years back and now I think those 80s tracks are near perfect. 
My roomate broke me. | |
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after maybe the 500th time hearing it
 you´re a hero"Todo está bien chévere" Stevie | |
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sextonseven said: I have to re-tell my Def Leppard story. Freshman year in college one of my roomates (there were four of us sharing a dorm room: two African-American art students and two Asian-American engineering students. I think we got stuck together because all four of us didn't smoke. ) was really into Def Leppard and played 'Hysteria' night and day. I was NOT a fan and was so sick of that album that I even placed my roommate's cassette behind the glass of his fishtank while he was out one day so it looked like I had drowned it in there, lol. Anyway, after maybe the 500th time hearing it, something clicked and I started to like all the songs. So much so that I bought their 'Vault' compilation a few years back and now I think those 80s tracks are near perfect.
My roomate broke me. Great story! Whodathunk you'd have a Def Leppard comp. Good for you.
I gotta know tonight, if you're alone tonight Can't stop this feeling. Can't stop this fire Oh, I get hysterical, hysteria, oh can you feel it? (oh can you feel it? ) Do you believe it? (do you believe it? ) It's such a magical mysteria when you get that feelin (when you get that feelin) Better start believin (better start believin its a) Cause it's a miracle, oh say you will Ooh babe Hysteria when you're near tA Tribal Disorder
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theAudience said: sextonseven said: I have to re-tell my Def Leppard story. Freshman year in college one of my roomates (there were four of us sharing a dorm room: two African-American art students and two Asian-American engineering students. I think we got stuck together because all four of us didn't smoke. ) was really into Def Leppard and played 'Hysteria' night and day. I was NOT a fan and was so sick of that album that I even placed my roommate's cassette behind the glass of his fishtank while he was out one day so it looked like I had drowned it in there, lol. Anyway, after maybe the 500th time hearing it, something clicked and I started to like all the songs. So much so that I bought their 'Vault' compilation a few years back and now I think those 80s tracks are near perfect.
My roomate broke me. Great story! Whodathunk you'd have a Def Leppard comp. Good for you.
I gotta know tonight, if you're alone tonight Can't stop this feeling. Can't stop this fire Oh, I get hysterical, hysteria, oh can you feel it? (oh can you feel it? ) Do you believe it? (do you believe it? ) It's such a magical mysteria when you get that feelin (when you get that feelin) Better start believin (better start believin its a) Cause it's a miracle, oh say you will Ooh babe Hysteria when you're near tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Love that song! I wonder if the same thing would have happened if he played his Yngwie J. Malmsteen tape 500 times.  | |
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sextonseven said: I wonder if the same thing would have happened if he played his Yngwie J. Malmsteen tape 500 times.
If I were put in that position... 
...would be my reaction. tA Tribal Disorder
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PurpleJam said: JesseDezz said: Man, Neal Schon was a freakin' prodigy - in addition to Carlos Santana, Eric Clapton was reportedly interested in the teenager joining his band. Dude is one of the most melodic cats out there on geetar. He, Jonathan Cain and Steve Perry seem to have this chemistry - it just works. The females dig it, so f**k the critics.
Schon made a great instrumental album back in '95 called 'Beyond The Thunder'. Very beautiful and haunting music with some very mellow and lovely melodies on them. It also features Jonathan Cain's great keyboard playing. I would suggest picking it up if you are ever able to find it. Just some great chill out music. I have it My author page: https://www.amazon.com/au...eretttruth | |
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Journey was a great band whose music got run into the ground from being overplayed so much on the radio to the point where people started to despise them. | |
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i was impressed to see that neal schon played on all the betty davis tracks i've been freaking out over lately. | |
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Tom said: Journey was a great band whose music got run into the ground from being overplayed so much on the radio to the point where people started to despise them.
That and they took dirty rock and "cleaned" it up a bit, made it more respectable I guess. People give them shit for that too. | |
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PurpleJam said: I was reading blackguitaristz post about how he used to rock out on his guitar back in the day and wearing Journey t-shirts, so it gave me the idea to start a forum topic on the group.
I have always liked the group and have enjoyed many of their songs throughout the many years. But why exactly was the group so despised and dismissed by both music fans and rock critics? I mean Steve Perry has one of the best voices in music ever(never noticed how much he sounds like Sam Cooke til recently actually) and Neal Schon is certainly no slouch on the guitar either. Not to mention the great keyboard playing by Jonathan Cain. They were all pretty much first class musicians. So why all of the dislike and lack of respect from so many people towards them? P.J., I'm glad that one of my childhood experiences could manifest something positive. I'm a major fan of Journey with Perry on vocals. Steve definately was one ofthe best vocalist in rock. Seriously underrated. As far as Schon; I've stated SEVERAL times on this site that he's one of my all time favorite guitarists and was a huge influence on me as a lead guitarist. Especially in my early teens. Although Ace Frehley of KISS was my first guitar hero, (it was because of Ace that I switched from left to right) Schon at that time, had a much greater impact. I must have made my mother sick talking about how bad Schon was. I spent many a hour in my room, learning Schon's solos and playing them to death. Still to this very day, whenever I'm with my mother and she's riding with me in my car, and "Faithfully" comes on, she says how much it reminds her of when I was a kid and how sometimes she would just stand outside my bedroom door and listen to me play that solo over and over again. Sometimes she would come in and tell me "That sounds good, babe." My mother knew Schon's solo's in and out because she would always hear me in there woodsheding, playing them to death. Playing a certain section of Neal's solo, over and over again. Untill I got that part down pat. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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I've seen Journey twice in concert. First was on their "Escape" tour with my girlfriend and her uncle. During that album, Journey was everywhere with "Open Arms" and "Don't Stop Believin'". Then I went again on their "Frontiers" tour. I liked Journey's earlier stuff with Rolie in the band as well. I remember when I was in 5th or 6th grade, my older friends hipped me to the fact that Schon and Rolie used to play with Carlos, who I also dug. And my older cousin told me that Schon played on a project with Larry Graham(!). That was on some Bette Davis tracks. Some fave Journey cuts;
Wheels In The Sky Lights Winds of March Majestic Anyway You Want It Don't Stop Believin' Open Arms Who's Cryin' Now Escape Stone In Love ALL of the "Frontiers" album SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Don't Stop Believin'
I like that one "Todo está bien chévere" Stevie | |
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Tom said: Journey was a great band whose music got run into the ground from being overplayed so much on the radio to the point where people started to despise them.
Led Zeppelin is the most "over-played" rock group of all time on the radio, and nobody (people, not critics) despises them for that. So, I think the answer to why certain types of people dog out Journey must lie elsewhere. Personally, I fucking love Journey. Their early shit before Steve Perry as well as the better known later shit. Ainsley Dunbar, Greg Rolie, Steve Perry, Neil Shon...playing their asses off...that is one of the joys of life. I remember watching some old show that used to come on in the mid to late 90s -I think MTV where people would sit around making fun of/critiquing videos and a bunch of losers including Jeanine Garafalo were talking all this shit on one episode about the "Separate Ways" video, about how corny and cheesy and awful both the video and the song (and of course by extension the band) were. They thought they were being so chic and hip and just above it all to bash Journey so casually. So, I would say that the hatred/contempt of the petit-bourgeois intelligentsia for things beloved by the masses - as so perfectly encapsulated by Janine Garafalo's remarks about Journey on that show - is a BIG reason for the Journey hate. Probably the MAIN one. | |
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thorntonmellon said: Tom said: Journey was a great band whose music got run into the ground from being overplayed so much on the radio to the point where people started to despise them.
Led Zeppelin is the most "over-played" rock group of all time on the radio, and nobody (people, not critics) despises them for that. So, I think the answer to why certain types of people dog out Journey must lie elsewhere. Personally, I fucking love Journey. Their early shit before Steve Perry as well as the better known later shit. Ainsley Dunbar, Greg Rolie, Steve Perry, Neil Shon...playing their asses off...that is one of the joys of life. I remember watching some old show that used to come on in the mid to late 90s -I think MTV where people would sit around making fun of/critiquing videos and a bunch of losers including Jeanine Garafalo were talking all this shit on one episode about the "Separate Ways" video, about how corny and cheesy and awful both the video and the song (and of course by extension the band) were. They thought they were being so chic and hip and just above it all to bash Journey so casually. So, I would say that the hatred/contempt of the petit-bourgeois intelligentsia for things beloved by the masses - as so perfectly encapsulated by Janine Garafalo's remarks about Journey on that show - is a BIG reason for the Journey hate. Probably the MAIN one. Damn...good post. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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Anx said: i was impressed to see that neal schon played on all the betty davis tracks i've been freaking out over lately.
More Neal Schon trivia. He played on some tracks on Michael Bolton's album... 
...The Hunger. Love him or hate him.
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theAudience said: Anx said: i was impressed to see that neal schon played on all the betty davis tracks i've been freaking out over lately.
More Neal Schon trivia. He played on some tracks on Michael Bolton's album...
...The Hunger. Love him or hate him.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 ehhh. so anyway. he was REALLY REALLY good on the betty davis cuts! | |
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thorntonmellon said: Tom said: Journey was a great band whose music got run into the ground from being overplayed so much on the radio to the point where people started to despise them.
Led Zeppelin is the most "over-played" rock group of all time on the radio, and nobody (people, not critics) despises them for that. So, I think the answer to why certain types of people dog out Journey must lie elsewhere. Personally, I fucking love Journey. Their early shit before Steve Perry as well as the better known later shit. Ainsley Dunbar, Greg Rolie, Steve Perry, Neil Shon...playing their asses off...that is one of the joys of life. I remember watching some old show that used to come on in the mid to late 90s -I think MTV where people would sit around making fun of/critiquing videos and a bunch of losers including Jeanine Garafalo were talking all this shit on one episode about the "Separate Ways" video, about how corny and cheesy and awful both the video and the song (and of course by extension the band) were. They thought they were being so chic and hip and just above it all to bash Journey so casually. So, I would say that the hatred/contempt of the petit-bourgeois intelligentsia for things beloved by the masses - as so perfectly encapsulated by Janine Garafalo's remarks about Journey on that show - is a BIG reason for the Journey hate. Probably the MAIN one. anyone remember the days when comedians were actually funny and not constantly auditioning for (and landing) jobs as political pundits?  "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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