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Thread started 02/26/07 11:30pm

badujunkie

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Open letter to Madonna

Madonna:

Forget Pharrell. Don't work with Timbaland.

You have been the groundbreaking, innovative, ballsy leader of the pop pack for more than 20 years. Yes you've fucked up (American Life), gone a bit too far left (Music), stretched your singing abilities (Im Breathless, Evita), and put out an entire album of damage control (Confessions). But working with these two has-been flavors of 1999-2004 is SCREAMING desperation. I know you cant get a single in heavy rotation on American Clear Channel Top 40 radio to save your life in this day and age, but so what? An attempt to appropriate "Hollaback Girl" or "Promiscuous" will not only be the last nail in your attempt-to-still-be-25 coffin; you'll also alienate your peers, older fans, and all the critics who ONLY admire your irreverence and determination to be original.

Here's what you do: write some catchy songs. Give us a straight forward, bare bones pop album. Memorable lyrics, strong hooks, perhaps, even--a live instrument or two? Drop the electronica/techno bit--you've been doing it for four albums now (4 and 1/2 if you count Bedtime Stories); drop the vocoder/vocal effects; lose the minimalist (read: insipid) lyrics over guitar-for-beginners loops; forget the pensive, introspective my-life's-meaning-as-a-superstar themes. Get Pat Leonard back in the songwriting mix and work with a NEW producer who is a CLASSICALLY TRAINED MUSICIAN who UNDERSTANDS MUSIC THEORY and HOW TO MIX. No more avant garde DJs or tech-wizards or string-happy arrangers.

One or two songs with a heavy rock influence could be good, even great. A sultry R&B ballad or another brief homage to Donna Summer would also be welcome. Just give us some "Dress You Up," "You'll See," "Love Tried to Welcome Me," some "Physical Attraction," even some "Deeper and Deeper." Pop songs adults closer to your age might enjoy but that hold up to the same shit your fans fell in love with almost 25 years ago.

--badujunkie
I'll leave it alone babe...just be me
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Reply #1 posted 02/27/07 12:11am

SoulAlive

At this early stage,I think Madonna is just trying things out,listening to demos and seeing what will or won't work.Just because she goes into the studio with Timbaland doesn't mean that his productions will appear on her next album.Remember,in 2003,Dr.Dre sent Madonna a song for 'American Life' but it didn't make the album.Until the final tracklist is revealed,we won't have any idea what type of album she is making.


I'm not that excited about her working with Timbaland or Pharrell,but I'm gonna wait and see how it turns out.I think their role will be limited anyway.She's only doing two songs with Pharrell.Stuart Price is the album's main producer and Maddy has said that it will be a dance album.I think she just wants to expand the sound a little,to include some R&B.I really hope she works with Dangermouse too.He could give her a dark,edgy R&B sound that would be fantastic.
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Reply #2 posted 02/27/07 3:24am

MartyMcFly

badujunkie said:

Madonna:

Forget Pharrell. Don't work with Timbaland.

You have been the groundbreaking, innovative, ballsy leader of the pop pack for more than 20 years.


falloff This is where I stopped reading... disbelief
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Reply #3 posted 02/27/07 3:41am

BT11

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Me too, Madonna is not at all innovative or groundbreaking. She's just a product.
music
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Reply #4 posted 02/27/07 3:47am

DarlingDiana

I sent a similiar letter to MJ. Hand delivered. It was basically just advising him not to get involved with will.i.am and any other "flavour-of-the-month" who wants to work with him. I begged him to listen to Off The Wall again and I told him flat out that Invicible was a dissapointment because he let the current crop of hip-hop producers take what I imagine started off as decent songs and shitted all over them. After Rodney Jerkins did his thing with the album, he had removed all traces of MJ, and the end result was a lifeless, stale, dated piece of plastic. I felt that a little harsh do I added in brackets (but Break of Dawn and Whatever Happens are great songs). I pretty much told him he created the current music scene, so he shouldn't feel like he needs to adjust to fit it, because no matter what he does the music industry will adjust to fit Michael, as has been since the 80s. I told him his biggest hits were the fun, energetic, creative, organic, soulful songs like Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Rock With You and Billie Jean. I said Michael is known to be a great dancer, and that's why people love MJ songs that make them want to dance. And what makes people want to fance is the organic, lively, soulful, funky shit like Off The Wall, Don't Stop, Working D and N, WBSS. That's about all I said. I am really longing for a great MJ record, so I hope he wises up. I don't know if he'll read my letter. Apparently he has a good track record of reading fan mail. But even if he reads it, doesn't mean he'll take notice.
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Reply #5 posted 02/27/07 3:58am

MikeMatronik

badujunkie said:

Madonna:

Forget Pharrell. Don't work with Timbaland.

You have been the groundbreaking, innovative, ballsy leader of the pop pack for more than 20 years. Yes you've fucked up (American Life), gone a bit too far left (Music), stretched your singing abilities (Im Breathless, Evita), and put out an entire album of damage control (Confessions). But working with these two has-been flavors of 1999-2004 is SCREAMING desperation. I know you cant get a single in heavy rotation on American Clear Channel Top 40 radio to save your life in this day and age, but so what? An attempt to appropriate "Hollaback Girl" or "Promiscuous" will not only be the last nail in your attempt-to-still-be-25 coffin; you'll also alienate your peers, older fans, and all the critics who ONLY admire your irreverence and determination to be original.

Here's what you do: write some catchy songs. Give us a straight forward, bare bones pop album. Memorable lyrics, strong hooks, perhaps, even--a live instrument or two? Drop the electronica/techno bit--you've been doing it for four albums now (4 and 1/2 if you count Bedtime Stories); drop the vocoder/vocal effects; lose the minimalist (read: insipid) lyrics over guitar-for-beginners loops; forget the pensive, introspective my-life's-meaning-as-a-superstar themes. Get Pat Leonard back in the songwriting mix and work with a NEW producer who is a CLASSICALLY TRAINED MUSICIAN who UNDERSTANDS MUSIC THEORY and HOW TO MIX. No more avant garde DJs or tech-wizards or string-happy arrangers.

One or two songs with a heavy rock influence could be good, even great. A sultry R&B ballad or another brief homage to Donna Summer would also be welcome. Just give us some "Dress You Up," "You'll See," "Love Tried to Welcome Me," some "Physical Attraction," even some "Deeper and Deeper." Pop songs adults closer to your age might enjoy but that hold up to the same shit your fans fell in love with almost 25 years ago.

Also burn the master tapes of the Like a Virgin album...




--badujunkie


I made some minor changes to ypu letter! cool
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Reply #6 posted 02/27/07 3:58am

MikeMatronik

BT11 said:

Me too, Madonna is not at all innovative or groundbreaking. She's just a product.


Love ur avatar biggrin
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Reply #7 posted 02/27/07 5:04am

BT11

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MikeMatronik said:

BT11 said:

Me too, Madonna is not at all innovative or groundbreaking. She's just a product.


Love ur avatar biggrin


Thanks Mike. smile
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Reply #8 posted 02/27/07 6:16am

sosgemini

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BT11 said:

Me too, Madonna is not at all innovative or groundbreaking. She's just a product.



or a thief depending on who you are asking. lol
Space for sale...
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Reply #9 posted 02/27/07 10:36pm

CinisterCee

I really liked Bedtime Stories though, and that was the last time she got a lineup of American hitmakers (Babyface, Dallas Austin, etc).
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Reply #10 posted 02/27/07 11:15pm

Tessa

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I could care one way or the other about who she works with, as I know that she's going to bring out the best in them.

But calling someone "the flavor of 1999-2004" is a bit oxymoronical. That's quite a span to be hot for anyone. And on top of that, Timbaland had maybe his most successful, high profile year ever in 2006. shrug
"I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you."
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Reply #11 posted 02/27/07 11:35pm

MikeMatronik

CinisterCee said:

I really liked Bedtime Stories though, and that was the last time she got a lineup of American hitmakers (Babyface, Dallas Austin, etc).


It's a very weak effort, clearly a damage control albums, It's a shame she did do more tracks with nelee hooper...
[Edited 2/27/07 23:40pm]
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Reply #12 posted 02/28/07 12:05am

SoulAlive

MikeMatronik said:

CinisterCee said:

I really liked Bedtime Stories though, and that was the last time she got a lineup of American hitmakers (Babyface, Dallas Austin, etc).


It's a very weak effort, clearly a damage control album, It's a shame she didn't do more tracks with nelee hooper...


I completely disagree.'Bedtime Stories' is a remarkable album.It's not groundbreaking or edgy,but it's a consistent album filled with many highlights.
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Reply #13 posted 02/28/07 12:10am

MikeMatronik

SoulAlive said:

MikeMatronik said:



It's a very weak effort, clearly a damage control album, It's a shame she didn't do more tracks with nelee hooper...


I completely disagree.'Bedtime Stories' is a remarkable album.It's not groundbreaking or edgy,but it's a consistent album filled with many highlights.


It's the most dated and the vast majorituy of the songs have aged disgracefuly. It's incredible weak compared to a masterpiece that is Erotica...


"Don't Stop" ranks amoung the worse songs madonna ever did
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Reply #14 posted 02/28/07 12:15am

CinisterCee

MikeMatronik said:

"Don't Stop" ranks amoung the worse songs madonna ever did


that's like the only weak cut. you can tell she wrote the lyrics.
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Reply #15 posted 02/28/07 12:16am

SoulAlive

MikeMatronik said:

SoulAlive said:



I completely disagree.'Bedtime Stories' is a remarkable album.It's not groundbreaking or edgy,but it's a consistent album filled with many highlights.


It's the most dated and the vast majorituy of the songs have aged disgracefuly. It's incredible weak compared to a masterpiece that is Erotica...


"Don't Stop" ranks amoung the worse songs madonna ever did


I agree,"Don't Stop" is weak.That's filler lol

But what about these songs?

"Secret"---arguably,her best 90s single
"Forbidden Love"---shoulda been a single!! This song is sexy and sultry.
"Inside Of Me"
"Take A Bow"
"Love Tried To Welcome Me"

That's five excellent songs right there! And I didn't even mention "Human Nature" or the title track.


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Reply #16 posted 02/28/07 12:16am

MikeMatronik

CinisterCee said:

MikeMatronik said:

"Don't Stop" ranks amoung the worse songs madonna ever did


that's like the only weak cut. you can tell she wrote the lyrics.


Yep...Madonna is such a great poet
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Reply #17 posted 02/28/07 12:19am

MikeMatronik

SoulAlive said:

MikeMatronik said:



It's the most dated and the vast majorituy of the songs have aged disgracefuly. It's incredible weak compared to a masterpiece that is Erotica...


"Don't Stop" ranks amoung the worse songs madonna ever did


I agree,"Don't Stop" is weak.That's filler lol

But what about these songs?

"Secret"---arguably,her best 90s single
"Forbidden Love"---shoulda been a single!! This song is sexy and sultry.
"Inside Of Me"
"Take A Bow"
"Love Tried To Welcome Me"

That's five excellent songs right there!
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Secret - Junior's remix is 100000 times better.
Forbidden Love - is tipical R&B bullshit...FL'05 is 431515646 times better
Inside Of Me - I like that one...
Take A Bow...overplayed...I have that song 3 times on my madonna collection (BS, STR and GH2)....no wonder it flopped in the UK!
Love Tried To Welcome Me - snooze fest
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Reply #18 posted 02/28/07 12:19am

SoulAlive

CinisterCee said:

MikeMatronik said:

"Don't Stop" ranks amoung the worse songs madonna ever did


that's like the only weak cut. you can tell she wrote the lyrics.



She should have replaced that song with "Your Honesty" or "Let Down Your Guard".Both of those songs are superior to "Don't Stop".
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Reply #19 posted 02/28/07 12:21am

CinisterCee

SoulAlive said:

CinisterCee said:



that's like the only weak cut. you can tell she wrote the lyrics.



She should have replaced that song with "Your Honesty" or "Let Down Your Guard".Both of those songs are superior to "Don't Stop".


I don't think I know "Your Honesty" but I wish "Let Down Your Guard" was on there instead.
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Reply #20 posted 02/28/07 12:29am

MikeMatronik

and it's a shame Madonna ditched Shep and went to work with the R&B dudes...Also she didn't credit shep right on the input he did on "Secret".

What was she trying to be...Whitney Houston or a pint size 4th member of TLC?

It's so cool to have this Madonna hater personna here, but in real life...
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Reply #21 posted 02/28/07 12:32am

GangstaFam

I love Bedtime Stories!



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Reply #22 posted 02/28/07 12:33am

MikeMatronik

GangstaFam said:

I love Bedtime Stories!




chair

U have written "Guerilla" wrong...
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Reply #23 posted 02/28/07 12:33am

SoulAlive

Tessa said:

I could care one way or the other about who she works with, as I know that she's going to bring out the best in them.

But calling someone "the flavor of 1999-2004" is a bit oxymoronical. That's quite a span to be hot for anyone. And on top of that, Timbaland had maybe his most successful, high profile year ever in 2006. shrug


I agree.Another way to look at this:

Madonna has spent the last ten years or so working with non-American producers,making music that isn't your typical American Top 40 stuff.For the most part,she has ignored hip-hop and R&B.She has been working with guys that weren't exactly well-known (Mirwais,Stuart Price),making music that is edgy and sometimes very non-commercial (most of 'American Life').So,after four albums like this,maybe she wants to branch out a little? Maybe she truly wants to work with some well-known producers for a change....maybe she wants a big,commercial album that is in tune with American tastes? It's not like she does this everytime.As others have pointed out,'Bedtime Stories' was the last time she worked with "hot" producers,and that was back in 1994.
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Reply #24 posted 02/28/07 12:34am

MikeMatronik

SoulAlive said:

Tessa said:

I could care one way or the other about who she works with, as I know that she's going to bring out the best in them.

But calling someone "the flavor of 1999-2004" is a bit oxymoronical. That's quite a span to be hot for anyone. And on top of that, Timbaland had maybe his most successful, high profile year ever in 2006. shrug


I agree.Another way to look at this:

Madonna has spent the last ten years or so working with non-American producers,making music that isn't your typical American Top 40 stuff.For the most part,she has ignored hip-hop and R&B.She has been working with guys that weren't exactly well-known (Mirwais,Stuart Price),making music that is edgy and sometimes very non-commercial (most of 'American Life').So,after four albums like this,maybe she wants to branch out a little? Maybe she truly wants to work with some well-known producers for a change....maybe she wants a big,commercial album that is in tune with American tastes? It's not like she does this everytime.As others have pointed out,'Bedtime Stories' was the last time she worked with "hot" producers,and that was back in 1994.


Who cares about Americans...she should work with the Milli Vanilli producer!
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Reply #25 posted 02/28/07 12:35am

SoulAlive

CinisterCee said:

SoulAlive said:




She should have replaced that song with "Your Honesty" or "Let Down Your Guard".Both of those songs are superior to "Don't Stop".


I don't think I know "Your Honesty" but I wish "Let Down Your Guard" was on there instead.


"Your Honesty" appears on the 'American Life: Remixed and Revisted' EP that came out in 2004.It is an outtake from the 'Bedtime Stories' album,written and produced with Dallas Austin.A very good song.
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Reply #26 posted 02/28/07 12:36am

SoulAlive

MikeMatronik said:

SoulAlive said:



I agree.Another way to look at this:

Madonna has spent the last ten years or so working with non-American producers,making music that isn't your typical American Top 40 stuff.For the most part,she has ignored hip-hop and R&B.She has been working with guys that weren't exactly well-known (Mirwais,Stuart Price),making music that is edgy and sometimes very non-commercial (most of 'American Life').So,after four albums like this,maybe she wants to branch out a little? Maybe she truly wants to work with some well-known producers for a change....maybe she wants a big,commercial album that is in tune with American tastes? It's not like she does this everytime.As others have pointed out,'Bedtime Stories' was the last time she worked with "hot" producers,and that was back in 1994.


Who cares about Americans...she should work with the Milli Vanilli producer!


Come on,stop it lol We're having a great discussion here,don't ruin it.
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Reply #27 posted 02/28/07 12:39am

MikeMatronik

SoulAlive said:

MikeMatronik said:



Who cares about Americans...she should work with the Milli Vanilli producer!


Come on,stop it lol We're having a great discussion here,don't ruin it.


I'm having fun being a madonna hater... sad
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Reply #28 posted 02/28/07 12:42am

SoulAlive

MikeMatronik said:

and it's a shame Madonna ditched Shep and went to work with the R&B dudes...Also she didn't credit shep right on the input he did on "Secret".What was she trying to be...Whitney Houston or a pint size 4th member of TLC?


Shep is one the best producers she's ever worked with ('Erotica' is my favorite Madonna album) but Madonna doesn't like to repeat herself.She likes each album to have a different approach,a different sound.Dallas Austin and Babyface were perfect for Madonna,they gave her some of their finest material.
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Reply #29 posted 02/28/07 12:42am

GangstaFam

MikeMatronik said:

chair

U have written "Guerilla" wrong...

Forgive me! This is a few years old.
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