theAudience said:

NDRU said:

It's actually his fault, he started talking about sports lol

CinisterCee said:

Hey Yoko was the best thing that ever happened to the Beatles! She led to their Demise!

a lot of fans are familiar with all his work. I for one have close to 150(at least) CD's, LP's etc. of michael, janet and the jacksons/jackson 5. His work just isn't discussed as much anymore at this point because it was overdone during the ezboard days of KOP, and it's like something people have discussed already. I do hope musical discussions start there again

whatsgoingon said:

yeah, nevermind the fact that the line was 100% inaccurate.

Anx said:

look out, Aerogram will be here any minute.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

fanaticism works both ways.
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Lynyrd Skynyrd

I have another.....Craig David fans

hey Moonbeam.....there's a rumor that Prince is making an album of Beatles covers I guess it's safe to say that you're not enthusiastic about this project,ha ha.

SoulAlive said:

Ooh, ooh, that sounds fun! First tracklist:

1. Don't Let Me Down
2. Norwegian Wood
3. Strawberry Fields Forever
4. Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds
5. Help!
6. Revolution
7. I Saw Her Standing There
8. I Am the Walrus
9. I Feel Fine
10. And Your Bird Can Sing
11. Drive My Car
12. Baby You're a Rich Man
13. While My Guitar Gently Weeps

I'll have to revise that later.

Imago said:

Fans of my ass are totally lame.

ChristopherTracy319 said:

yes, but she's still canon so technically i think you're dutybound to hate her under the beatlephobia umbrella. it's like saying you like "the star wars holiday special" because you hate star wars and it undermined the franchise. so what - it's still star wars related. so no yoko for you!

OK, question for ya'll...

Does anyone recognize the fact that some people - artists, songwriters, producers, music journalists, etc - may be able to state definitively whether an artist is "great" or not? I work for a law firm, and the most important factor when we go to trial is our expert witness. Well, it's the same in music... I think there are "experts" out there who know alot about music, and they ALWAYS put The Beatles at the head of the class. I'm not talking about one person, I'm talking about surveys of these "experts"... Beatles, Stones, Dylan - always Top 3 (or near the top) when you ask about "greatest artists in rock."

My question is this: does the combined opinion of the experts that I've described (a panel who may vote for Rolling Stone, or VH1, etc...) have any merit as far as definitively saying OK, this artist is great? And does one have to recognize that opinion, and the prevailing opinion about an artist, without personally being a fan?

Can one recognize the Beatles greatness without personally feeling the need to listen to them, cuz it ain't their cup of tea?

Because without question, if you put together a dozen music writers, song writers, artists, singers, etc in a room, took a survey on the "Best in Rock", #1 will invariably be The Beatles. There must be some reason and validity to that.

NorthernLad said:

i dunno. i don't have a lot of faith in music journalists and music magazines anymore. all of the ridiculous top 100 lists really have been wearing me down over the past few years, especially because they seem formulated to put some "shocking" album high on the list to get people's dander up and rack up more attention and sales. "OMFG! THEY LISTED HOOTIE AND THE BLOWFISH AS THE SECOND BEST ALTERNATIVE ROCK ALBUM OF ALL TIME! THE BASTARDS!"

i guess the opinions that matter most to *me* are the opinions of artists i admire, though i don't take their opinions as gospel. if someone i like is really emphatic in an interview about a certain album they listen to, i might check it out. hearing bowie caw on and on about grandaddy got me into their music, and because of him, i know and love their music. that means more to me than some stupid list in BLENDER.

still and all, YES, i do believe that it's possible to personally dislike an act yet still appreciate their impact on music. i've never been a huge stones fan. like i said earlier, i've never liked dylan. i've never really cared a whole lot for elvis. but because of other artists i DO admire who have emulated these acts, i can at least appreciate them in the context of the history of modern/pop music.

if i don't like pickles and everyone else does, that has more to do with my taste buds than it has to do with the quality of pickles or the people who eat them.

Anx said:

I always take my pickles off my burgers or Chik-fil-a sandwiches, so I'm totally feelin' ya!!

hey Beatles fans are not bad- i'm a huge beatles fan. they're great musicians!

MADONNA FANS are the most annoying and smug fans. They seem to be in just about every music forum and they refuse to accept that Madonna's only REAL talent is recognising other peoples' and uses them to her advantage (cough) "Ray of light".....

PRINCE fans think that he was responsible for everything that was funky in the 80's

JANET fans are never satisfied and blow her achievements out of proportion when comparing her success to other female rivals

MICHAEL fanatics have only 5 CDS in their collection and that is "off the wall", "thriller", "bad", "dangerous" "history" and "invincible" which they think are the only CDs they will ever need and hence pretty ignorant to other forms of music.

“Beatles” and “Elvis” fans don’t annoy me, probably because a majority of them don’t know how to use the internet.

mancabdriver said:

A lot of Rick James fans when Prince's name is mentioned.

Anx said:

I agree that a list of 'best artists ever' created by other musicians (and I'm not talking about Joe Shmoe who lives down the block and makes music on his Casio--I'm talking about established musicians) would be held higher by me than any list compiled by journalists. The worst lists are the online ones where fans vote. Those are always totally wrong.

I will weigh in and say MJ fans. The lengths they go to cover their eyes so they cannot see the truth about their hero. Even holocaust deniers are grounded in more reality

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I am a Michael Jackson fan myself and i have to agree some are obnoxious and they are all very clicky and group together and it is so hard to get in to those groups (if you want to ) and everyone seems to think they know more than anyone else does and they will argue until they turn blue about stupid things that dont matter at all. The bitchin between the groups is ridiculous as well but there are some fans who arent obnoxious and i dont know whether its just the fans around the london area who are like this but theres definately different levels of fans there are those fans who are normal fans who accept michael and his faults then there are the scary fans who are

CinisterCee said:

and Jay-Z. Go to any random hip-hop forum, and it's like they worship "Jay-Hova". It's not that serious.

Anx said:

strangely enough, i hated Yoko a long time before i started liking/listening to the Beatles

Anx said:

but what if pickles are an ingredient in almost every other food you love, yet because you don't pay close enough attention to them, you still proclaim to hate pickles?

November said:

Don't get me wrong they are very talented, and Jay-Z has an impeccable flow, but some of those fans I swear are in no place to argue who is the best anything!
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I don't know if this has been mentioned, but:

1) Nirvana-Yeah,they made good music, but they receive way too much credit for changing rock music in the 1990's. Their fans think they are the alpha & omega of modern rock music.

2) 2pac/Biggie-For some of the reasons mentioned. Rap had existed before and was done better without the wonderful add-ons these two brought to the genre.

3)Prince 1980's fams vs. Prince 1990's fams-Some of the debates on the org are morbidly interesting. You would swear we were talking about two differrent people. "Prince ain't shot without Wendy & Lisa" "I wish Larry Graham would stop destroying P' s music"

4) MJ fans-There are some really cool people on the org that like MJ (Jason Star, Darling Diana (?) who are among the most objective people from the MJ camp. I like reading their posts b/c although they are fans, they try not to apologize for everything MJ does(IMO). With that being said, there is the lunatic fringe on the internet that swear MJ walks on water. If you debate MJ on artistic merits, the sales argument comes up every time.

Imago said:

Even I had laugh at that.....and I love Bjork

sextonseven said:

Some people have said she sounds like Lisa Simpson. In a way, she does, but I think it's cute. I like Lisa Simpson. "Peach,Plum,Pear" is a cute little song that I love. I always give ladies with instruments a chance. I like all that I've heard by her.....I don't see myself being a die hard fans of hers though. I saw an interview with her, and I'm not sure if it was an act she was putting on, but she came off as a 7 year old child in her mannerisms while answering some questions. A critic said that she managed to out-Bjork Bjork.....that's kinda hard to do.