I've just haeard the song Off The Wall(another classic) at work and I wanted to jam. I don't feel like truely jamming to any of his songs post-Thriller. Even songs like Jam and They Don't Care wbout us haven't got that vibe. But at the same time none of his songs post-Thriller has touch me in the same way as "The Lady in My Life" or "Human Nature" or "I can't help it". That is my problem with alot of his stuff post-thriller is okay, but overall it doesn't have a long lasting impact on me. [Edited 2/26/07 2:28am] | |
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whatsgoingon said: I've just haeard the song Off The Wall(another classic) at work and I wanted to jam. I don't feel like truely jamming to any of his songs post-Thriller.
I know what you mean.I never listen to any of his post-Thriller work.Just yesterday,I was playing the song "Off The Wall" in my car.That song really makes you wanna get up and jam,huh? | |
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vainandy said: Definately "Off The Wall". After that, each one of his albums got a little bit worse than the previous one.
They didn't get worse until after Thriller. See what happened was he changed producers from Quincy Jones to whomever.....that's when the quality of his music started slipping and he basically stopped singing and started to ohh and ahh and hee hee hee like a fucking muppet. | |
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CinisterCee said: vainandy said: Definately "Off The Wall". After that, each one of his albums got a little bit worse than the previous one.
But what about his MOTOWN ALBUMS He only had one Motown album as a teenie bopper I think the most popular song was Ben. Everything else was with his brothers the Jackson 5. | |
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peterfalconer said: AlexdeParis said: I know, right? That's just wrong! "Liberian Girl" is easily one of the best songs on Bad and "Baby Be Mine" is just a perfectly executed and completely fun song. Once again, I'm fighting a losing battle! I will maintain until my dying day that Liberian Girl is absolutely ghastly, and Baby Be Mine is naff in the extreme. *sobs alone in his cynical corner* I am no Michael fan but I do love good music. All of his ballads can be considered great not just good and Liberian Girl is one of the great ones. | |
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AlexdeParis said: whatsgoingon said: Songs like "Childhood" illustrate that whole sappyness that he got into in earnest with Dangerous.
Stop right there. There is no song as sappy as "Chilhood" in Michael's catalog. Heal The World a close second. | |
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whatsgoingon said: AlexdeParis said: I wouldn't say it's contrived at all. I think little Michael was singing, dancing, and doing what he was told. It makes sense to me that he would start to reflect on his unusual upbringing once he reached adulthood. Yes, "Childhood" is sappy (and awful), but it certainly rings true that Michael was/is looking for a childhood he never really had. OTOH, I find most of his other so-called sappy songs to range from good to great. I don't care what anyone says -- I love "Heal the World" and "Earth Song"! Messages don't have to be complex to be powerful; sometimes simple is effective. Besides, he's done plenty of songs that aren't childlike in the slightest ("Dirty Diana," "Stranger in Moscow," "They Don't Care About Us," "In the Closet," "Who Is It," etc.). I understand that you don't like the post-Thriller albums much, but I think you make too many generalizations about them. Most of his material post-thriller just doesn't do it for me, I don't hear anything that make me swoon nor makes me wanna jam. With the exception of Stranger in Moscow and maybe Man in the Mirror, his songs just sound so hollow and just lack the soul he once had on his previous material. I know alot of fans think Dirty Diana, Scream, Black and White, They Don't Care about us etc are great, but I don't feel anything when I listen to them. I understand what he is trying to say and the message he is trying to convey but I just don't feel the soul and funk in his music anymore. I hear pop, rock and sap and I am not fan of those genres. And although little MJ didn't have much say in his motown days, I do believe his natural leaning was Soul, Motown couldn't teach him to sing like that. They couldn't teach him to sing that version of "Whose Loving You" or "Can You Remember" with so much soul. He had so much soul it hurt, he just lost it along the way somewhere. [Edited 2/25/07 14:42pm] [Edited 2/25/07 14:47pm] I'm very curious, what's your opinion on Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break Of Dawn and Whatever Happens? No soul either? | |
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BT11 said: whatsgoingon said: Most of his material post-thriller just doesn't do it for me, I don't hear anything that make me swoon nor makes me wanna jam. With the exception of Stranger in Moscow and maybe Man in the Mirror, his songs just sound so hollow and just lack the soul he once had on his previous material. I know alot of fans think Dirty Diana, Scream, Black and White, They Don't Care about us etc are great, but I don't feel anything when I listen to them. I understand what he is trying to say and the message he is trying to convey but I just don't feel the soul and funk in his music anymore. I hear pop, rock and sap and I am not fan of those genres. And although little MJ didn't have much say in his motown days, I do believe his natural leaning was Soul, Motown couldn't teach him to sing like that. They couldn't teach him to sing that version of "Whose Loving You" or "Can You Remember" with so much soul. He had so much soul it hurt, he just lost it along the way somewhere. [Edited 2/25/07 14:42pm] [Edited 2/25/07 14:47pm] I'm very curious, what's your opinion on Butterflies, Heaven Can Wait, Break Of Dawn and Whatever Happens? No soul either? I don't mind those songs, but they don't move me like his older stuff. Has I have said before I got a feeling that Vince was him trying to get back to his roots but even there he lost his way. It's almost like he had to dig down deep and come up with that sound once again, what was once second nature to him has become alien to him. Even with Vince I felt his fluidity had gone. Having said that I believe after Stranger in Moscow, Break of Dawn is one of his best songs post-Thriller. | |
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dseann said: I am no Michael fan but I do love good music.
All of his ballads can be considered great not just good and Liberian Girl is one of the great ones. No it's not. *stamps foot* *sucks thumb* SULK | |
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For all the big '78-'82 fans, what do you think of "The Way You Love Me"? IMO it's the closest thing he's done in recent years to his original soul sound. It sounds like Motown song.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wu5lOiLZxQ | |
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DarlingDiana said: For all the big '78-'82 fans, what do you think of "The Way You Love Me"? IMO it's the closest thing he's done in recent years to his original soul sound. It sounds like Motown song.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wu5lOiLZxQ Love it. It kind of reminds me of "Blues Away" in a weird way. Maybe it is just me. Did anyone pick Invincible in this thread? | |
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DarlingDiana said: For all the big '78-'82 fans, what do you think of "The Way You Love Me"? IMO it's the closest thing he's done in recent years to his original soul sound. It sounds like Motown song.
http://www.youtube.com/wa...Wu5lOiLZxQ that song does remind me of stuff from back then. It's more melodically conscious and flows smoothly with emotion in it, just like the songs "push me away" and "bless his soul" for example. apparently that song was recorded sometime in 2004 and it gave me hope that when mj comes back with his new album, it will be full of strong and singable melodies like this song and he'll be singing without trying to overpower the music. I got the same feelings when I heard Beautiful Girl as well | |
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peterfalconer said: dseann said: I am no Michael fan but I do love good music.
All of his ballads can be considered great not just good and Liberian Girl is one of the great ones. No it's not. *stamps foot* *sucks thumb* SULK | |
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dseann said: CinisterCee said: But what about his MOTOWN ALBUMS He only had one Motown album as a teenie bopper I think the most popular song was Ben. Everything else was with his brothers the Jackson 5. He released 4 solo albums on Motown: Got To Be There(1972) Ben(1972) Music and Me(1973) Forever, Michael(1975) Motown would go on to release 2 more after the brothers went to Epic: Farewell My Summer Love(1984) Looking back at yesterday(1986) There's also a unreleased album of MJ and Stevie Wonder "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I'll be honest, I know very little of Michael's Motown material - I'll have to investigate but in answer to the thread...
Best: Off The Wall Favourite: Dangerous But if I had to choose one album for the desert island, it would definitely be OTW. And even though it's not my favourite MJ album, I *love* novabrkr's assessment of History. Wow. | |
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onenitealone said: I'll be honest, I know very little of Michael's Motown material - I'll have to investigate but in answer to the thread...
Best: Off The Wall Favourite: Dangerous But if I had to choose one album for the desert island, it would definitely be OTW. And even though it's not my favourite MJ album, I *love* novabrkr's assessment of History. Wow. start with the the CD's Diana Ross Presents J5/ABC and Dancing Machine/Moving Violation. They were rereleased years ago on CD with 2 albums in one disc. Also check out mj's solo material from Motown, especially Music & Me and Got To Be There | |
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alphastreet said: start with the the CD's Diana Ross Presents J5/ABC and Dancing Machine/Moving Violation. They were rereleased years ago on CD with 2 albums in one disc. Also check out mj's solo material from Motown, especially Music & Me and Got To Be There
Cheers! Reading the comments here, it's really got me interested in that era. And I love Diana so two for the price of one! I always remember, years ago, in this shop I used to work in, they'd play this compilation tape and one of the songs was from this period. I have no idea what it was called but I know I'll recognise it as soon as I hear it. His vocals were just... incredible. Mind-blowing. To hear/see that level of talent on someone that age... it makes you sick, really. But thank you for the recommendation - I may get the Anthology and start from there. Thanks! | |
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onenitealone said: alphastreet said: start with the the CD's Diana Ross Presents J5/ABC and Dancing Machine/Moving Violation. They were rereleased years ago on CD with 2 albums in one disc. Also check out mj's solo material from Motown, especially Music & Me and Got To Be There
Cheers! Reading the comments here, it's really got me interested in that era. And I love Diana so two for the price of one! I always remember, years ago, in this shop I used to work in, they'd play this compilation tape and one of the songs was from this period. I have no idea what it was called but I know I'll recognise it as soon as I hear it. His vocals were just... incredible. Mind-blowing. To hear/see that level of talent on someone that age... it makes you sick, really. But thank you for the recommendation - I may get the Anthology and start from there. Thanks! Get "The Best of Michael Jackson:Anthology". It's a 2 disc set that features songs from the 4 Motown albums along with unreleased versions of "Call on Me", "Don't Let It Get You Down", and "Melodie". It also has songs from the "Looking Back At Yesterday" like "Love Gone Bad" and "When I Come of Age". "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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My personal favorite is "Off The Wall" It was Michael at his funkiest. Well..... With the exception of "The Girl Is Mine". | |
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bboy87 said: Get "The Best of Michael Jackson:Anthology". It's a 2 disc set that features songs from the 4 Motown albums along with unreleased versions of "Call on Me", "Don't Let It Get You Down", and "Melodie". It also has songs from the "Looking Back At Yesterday" like "Love Gone Bad" and "When I Come of Age".
Again - thanks for the recommendation. It's a part of his history that I've never really investigated; I guess a lot of people - who get into him at a later age - start with 'Off The Wall' and take it from there, maybe... I *wish* I knew what that track was... it's probably a track everyone knows. I remember this woman coming in and singing along to it... I must find out. Cheers - I'll keep an eye out for it! | |
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dseann you have NO AUTHORITY on what a good MJ ballad is, after reading this boolshit
bboy87 said: dseann said: He only had one Motown album as a teenie bopper I think the most popular song was Ben. Everything else was with his brothers the Jackson 5. He released 4 solo albums on Motown: Got To Be There(1972) Ben(1972) Music and Me(1973) Forever, Michael(1975) Motown would go on to release 2 more after the brothers went to Epic: Farewell My Summer Love(1984) Looking back at yesterday(1986) There's also a unreleased album of MJ and Stevie Wonder talking bout MJ "only had one Motown album", even JACKIE JACKSON HAD HIS OWN SOLO MOTOWN ALBUM | |
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CinisterCee said: dseann you have NO AUTHORITY on what a good MJ ballad is, after reading this boolshit
bboy87 said: He released 4 solo albums on Motown: Got To Be There(1972) Ben(1972) Music and Me(1973) Forever, Michael(1975) Motown would go on to release 2 more after the brothers went to Epic: Farewell My Summer Love(1984) Looking back at yesterday(1986) There's also a unreleased album of MJ and Stevie Wonder talking bout MJ "only had one Motown album", even JACKIE JACKSON HAD HIS OWN SOLO MOTOWN ALBUM Even Tito and Marlon recorded solo albums, but they were never released "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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At very fucking least so-called MJ fans should know the Got To Be There album, and also know that Ben was a title-track to his follow up. | |
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Do you really class those albums as Michael Jackson solo albums? They were all still part of the J5 franchise, and most of the songs still had J5 backing vocals. The only difference between Michael "solo" Motown album and the J5 albums is that one every song Michael sung lead vocals, instead on on the J5 album were Jermaine would sing the bridge or the second verse. | |
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dseann said: I am no Michael fan but I do love good music.
ok i can chill now | |
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Destiny | |
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DarlingDiana said: Do you really class those albums as Michael Jackson solo albums? They were all still part of the J5 franchise, and most of the songs still had J5 backing vocals. The only difference between Michael "solo" Motown album and the J5 albums is that one every song Michael sung lead vocals, instead on on the J5 album were Jermaine would sing the bridge or the second verse.
Um, I wouldn't call them Jackson 5 albums manthevan said: Destiny
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CinisterCee said: manthevan said: Destiny
lol Hey what are you laughing at? | |
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DarlingDiana said: Do you really class those albums as Michael Jackson solo albums? They were all still part of the J5 franchise, and most of the songs still had J5 backing vocals. The only difference between Michael "solo" Motown album and the J5 albums is that one every song Michael sung lead vocals, instead on on the J5 album were Jermaine would sing the bridge or the second verse.
I do. They were recorded specifically for MJ albums with the exception of a few cuts like Got To Be There which was originally recorded as a Jackson 5 song then re-recorded. Why do so many fansites see his discography as the Epic releases when it really should be seen like this: Got To Be There Ben Music and Me Forever Michael Off The Wall ET Storybook(I classify it as an MJ album) Thriller Farewell My Summer Love Looking Back At Yesterday Bad Dangerous HIStory Blood On The Dancefloor Invincible The Ultimate Collection "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: Why do so many fansites see his discography as the Epic releases when it really should be seen like this: Got To Be There Ben Music and Me Forever Michael Off The Wall ET Storybook(I classify it as an MJ album) Thriller Farewell My Summer Love Looking Back At Yesterday Bad Dangerous HIStory Blood On The Dancefloor Invincible The Ultimate Collection I guess I look at it like this too because I learned about MJ in the 80s with a book that listed all of that stuff together. Even that ET storybook. | |
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