sallysassalot said:

I'm actually considering a trip to Europe this summer.

GangstaFam said:

I am part of it is that I can't understand what she's saying sometimes and that becomes a distraction as I have to listen to the music first and then the lyrics which is opposite of the way I approach music. I'm always lyrics first, music second. If I had stuck on the Tori Train and never gotten off, I would have made her music a part of my life the way that I made Desire or the way I will and have made other music. I think my maturity and coming out the other side of my dysfunction, and really trying to stay there, will serve me very well in having this woman become something to me she has never been. I have yet to really write out and explain my own history with the church and that is something I am setting out to do this year, thank you for kickstarting this for me , and this image speaks NOVELS to me. I really didn't know she had a history in the church and that is just another bridge that I need to close the divide between Tori and I

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GangstaFam said:

at this very moment i'm trying to talk ron into taking his vacation in may/june and planning a 2 week trip to italy. we'd arrive in rome somewhere around the 25th...

sallysassalot said:

June, people June! I'm booked in May

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

yes, but in june tori will be long gone from italia! if get there a few days before she arrives in rome, i can check out the city and start getting my renaissance on! up to milan for some shopping...ooooh, shit...ron dmc best realize he needs to take his vacay time!

sallysassalot said:

Man, this would be the coolest Tori meet-up yet!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Have you checked out Toriphoria for the lyrics yet?

GangstaFam said:

That feels like cheating to me but eventually I had to do that with Siamese dream so..... I like to discover and explore lyrics unaided. makes it more meaningful then. The thing about the distraction I spoke of earlier, it can be somewhat damaging because I've heard her compared to that Damn Kate Bush so much that when I can't understand what she's singing I hear the accusation of "gimmick!" swimming in my head and if I make that connection, forget about it.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Except her subject matter is probably the least Kate Bush-like thing about her.

GangstaFam said:

That's why I reject all comparisons. Who the hell knows what Kate Bush is saying I bet kateians can't even tell me

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

You haven't had a breakthrough with her yet, have you?

See, it took me years to finally listen to her.

I was afraid that all of the comparisons and accusations of copying would be true. And I didn't want to think that about one of my heroes.

So I went forever without seeking out Kate's music. And once I did, I secretly wanted to hate it.

The first thing I bought was "Hounds of Love" and I was in love within the first few days.

To my relief, I found them to be extremely different. Tori's got her thing and Kate's got hers.

But I can see a connection. Their voices have a similar range. Kate's is quirkier and more affected. Tori's is sexier and more passionate.

Their music is nothing alike. Neither are their lyrics.

Kate's songs are generally a narrative of sorts. Tori's are more stream-of-consciousness and confessional.

I realize that there's a value placed on getting to an idea or a sound first. That's why The Beatles are considered better than The Stones.

But nobody plays the piano like Tori. Nobody tackles the subjects she does with as much conviction. She lives and breathes her art in a way that Kate never has and never will. There is a detachment to what Kate does that makes her more of storyteller and less of a teacher.

I love and respect Kate for what she does, but she doesn't make me feel one ounce of what Tori can.

They're about as similar as Prince and Michael Jackson. That comparison is totally misguided and played out too.

The similarities are there. But not as much as some people would like to believe.

Mostly, it's lazy journalism and arm chair criticism. Wholly misinformed.

The aspect of Tori's work that seems most informed by what Kate does is the point that Cloudbuster has pointed out.

They have a similar way of layering background vocals.

But Kate seems like one of those singer-songwriters that EVERY female musician sites as an inspiration. She's one of those rites of passage like Joni Mitchell and Stevie Nicks.

Tori, Bjork and PJ have become that to a new generation and entirely on their own merits.

I have not broken the Proverbial Kate dentaldam I have always rejected the comparisons and the calls to reject Tori because ...Kate did it first. Whatever I am drawn to Tori because of her story and who she is. I know there is a vast wealth waiting to be found and I will find it.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

bugger...

NorthernLad said:

She's pissed.

GangstaFam said:

i actually think ronaldo is totally up for it! he's been dying to go to rome since his undergrad days (being a painter and all, i'm shocked he hasn't gone yet).

sallysassalot said:

I can't believe I've never been to Europe either. It's been one of my top 5 goals since I was like 13. I think it's time.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

What book would that be?

GangstaFam said:

as far as europe goes, i've only been to london.

I wonder if this will be the actual cover...

you know, she's already at it with the double entendres. american doll posse could be calling out a few things:

1) the men who enforce the status quo to keep american women in their "place," (hence the american doll posse) or

2) it could be referencing the new young female hollywood and the way they group themselves together and behave in similar ways (hence the american doll posse), or

3) young girls who will inherit the future (good or bad) of this nation's politics/religion.

i'm guessing its a combo of all three.

While I am very excited for a new Tori record, just as I would be for any Prince, Michael Jackson, or Sade release, I am tired of her re-hashing the theme of religion/spirituality/sexuality/sin/Mary Magdalen/Christianity/blah/blah/blah...we get it. You were the daughter of a preacher man who loved to masturbate and also got raped. It was compelling for the first DECADE. I liked that much of "The Beekeeper" steered clear of that stuff (thematically)--except "Original Sinusality" and "Marys of the Sea" of course.

badujunkie said:

prince has been singing about sex and god since forever. mj has been singing about world crises and hungry children for years. sade has been...well, shit, sade is sade.

i don't know, its like saying "u2 is still singing about changing the world?!" that's who these people are.

sallysassalot said:

thank god i have sally to put me in my place when i need it

badujunkie said:

i'm sorry. sometimes my protective side kicks in and i feel i have to take care of my woman.

sallysassalot said:

i thought janet damita jo jackson was your all time fave female performer

badujunkie said:

janet was my favorite pop superstar (i say "was" because i think she's being lame lately) but tori's been my all time fave female performer for about 14 years. i mean, i'll fag out over a janet jackson concert and new release but nobody...and i mean nobody, male or female...pops my cherry like tori amos does.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

i still haven't finished my 'project' yet though. i think it will take
another 6 months lol. you're better off getting the original albums if
you can.

GangstaFam said:

lol. same here. it's the perfect wallpaper for my widescreen monitor

GangstaFam said:

i hope not, i hate that type font. i just hope they
took the pic and made their own cover at undented..

if that pic is used for the cover of the album i'll
be praying it gets the Choirgirl treatment and just
had her name and the title on the side in the tray.