SynthiaRose said:

Come again? Ever heard of Funkadelic? The Isley Brothers?

SynthiaRose said:

Your words "brash, showy, and vulgar. Much like a woman in neon tights with too much eyeliner", IMO, define 80s hairbands as much as whatever kind of funk you categorize this way. Sure, I agree, rock is definitely more than just this, but so is funk. Making a generalized universal statement is inherently fallacious. Is Chicago a more potent band than 24-7 Spyz? It's no more than flag-waving crotch-grabbing bravado; which I guess is "in your face" kind of stuff.

theAudience said:

C'mon bruh. The writer was in a "mod-band" Sheesh! talk about out moded! He's an expert!

PFunkjazz said:

Exactly my point,"...it's buried in an undeveloped, myopic presentation."


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Tribal Disorder

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PFunkjazz said:

My neon, brash woman metaphor was not in reference to image but the style of music. The style of music/beats is inherently for show. I'm not a musician, so it's hard for me to describe. But in order for something to be described as "funky" it's likely gone overboard with the groove, to me, and trying to be too cool. I can't describe it. I just know when I hear it.


And to the person who asked if I'd heard of THE ISLEY BROTHERS.

Yes! I love "Shout" and their other ROCK songs. HATE EVERYTHING ELSE!!!! even that dreadful "Who's that Lady." Ugh!

SynthiaRose said:

So you're saying "Shout" is completely rock and "That Lady" isn't at all? What are these other "ROCK" songs of theirs you like?

And I also asked about Funkadelic, another black band doing funk/rock fusion when Prince was in diapers.

AlexdeParis said:

I don't know anything about Funkadelic. But it sounds bad. (just kidding!)
Merging psycodelia and funk!

Anyway, it's all personal taste you know. I didn't consdier "...Lady" rock.
I can't remember the other rock songs right now ...but when the Isley Bros performed at some recent event they played them adn then went through their catalog endign on the dreadful Mr. Big stuff.

And it's not about being "completely" rock as you say...I've indicated I like rock hybrids -- but hybrids that sound more rockish than other.

Again, just a personal preference.
And categorizing is very personal too -- there are a lot of Prince songs that I would say are rockish ..while others would call them funk.

I understand a lot of people --especially Prince fans -- like funk. I just don't. It reminds me of the 70s. It is not timeless. It sounds stale ...even when Prince makes a new "funk" song. (like Get on the Boat)

SynthiaRose said:

I like their first version Who's That Lady, which is more soulful and a ballad than anything else. Though The Isleys are a favorite of mine, I never cared for their remake of this one.

As for the article? Big deal. Somebody paid to give their opinion and wrinkle music listeners' feathers. It's worked at least on a small scale. Like what you like and move along when somebody disagrees.

SynthiaRose said:

I'm talking about the music as well as the image, though I admit, I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Debating opinions is pointless. If you don't like funk, you don't like funk.

SynthiaRose said:

I'm not trying to change your opinion, but that should tell you that funk is more versatile than you think. Actually, I'm just not really understanding how you're differentiating the two. What Prince songs are you considering rock that others say are funk? I'm not arguing, just honestly curious.

BTW, you might like early Funkadelic. "Maggot Brain" and "I Bet You" would be good starts.

RipHer2Shreds said:

I should've known. I like their original take, but the remake is killer! Ernie tore it up on guitar!

SynthiaRose said:

I'd suggest giving these two albums a listen...



...for a couple of prime examples as to where Funk can be taken (beyond one-line vamps) in the hands of Jazz musicians.


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http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

PFunkjazz said:

Yeah. That's what I feel. So why do you keep asking me questoins?
You're picking a debate with me, I'm not pursuing you. I haven't asked you one question, I've just stated my opinions.
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theAudience said:

Hi ... as I recall you've given me great advice in the past. So, I will look into these. Thanks.


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AlexdeParis said:

...most of the stuff from 1999 for example.

SynthiaRose said:

Controversy is more rock than funk

MikeMatronik said:

I totally love Controvery....

SynthiaRose said:

Prince from 1980 to 1984 was the perfect.

2 words the John Harris & Guardian Article:

FUNK YOU!

JoeTyler said:

Hell yeah!!! You tell them.

SynthiaRose said:

Goes back to you asking me about why I think you were talking about 80s hairbands.

theAudience said:

By those choices of words, it sound more like a negative criticism of hip-hop than funk to me.
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Lawd ha' Mercy.....
[cueing up Chameleon]

Phuck that clown!
Funk lives 4 ever!

unfortunately, i have to agree. sometimes, anyway. there are times when i look at funk and think that it's nothing but vapid party or fucking music. sure, there's some great stuff out there, including pretty much all of it by James Brown, and about half of it by Prince. but the writer is pretty accurate about the other acts he names as well. it's about one step up from disco as far as an important, artistic genre of music.


tomorrow, i might say something different and groove out to nothing but 20 minutes of a bass solo, but sometimes i think it's all just a bunch of empty noise. but then i could probably say that about ANY style of popular music on a given day.
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Screw this guy. Funk is one of the best subgenres.

I wondered what Vainandy has to say about this Mr. John Harris?

SynthiaRose said:

Surely....I don't agree. Dig, me being in the truest form of a black rocker, funk is as much a part of rock as rock is of funk. Meaning a large part of true funk is rock. That's one thing that seperates funk from r&b, is the rock element. but funk is much larger than a musical genre. It's a spirit, which can employ itself to ANY musical genre. Many classic rock bands have employed funk into their music. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath (Sweet Leaf), The Stones, AC/DC (Back In Black), Pink Floyd, etc. The list goes on a mile long. Just like all of the classic funk bands all employed rock into their music. Parliament/Funkadelic, The Ohio Players, Sly and the Family Stone, The Isley Brothers, Cameo, Slave, Zapp and yes, Prince. Take bands like the Red Hot Chilli Peppers and Fishbone. Both bands employ rock and funk in their sound. Again, this list is also a mile long. Funk/rock, which is what I have always decsribed my music is really like saying blue/blue or red/red. You can't have one and not the other to some degree. The best rock has strong funk influence as does the best funk has strong rock influence. Their cut from the same cloth because their both born out of the blues. That's their origin. No denying that no matter how much u may hate the creator.

And also, please understand that I'm not trying to convince you of anything. It's obvious as hell that u despise funk unless of course Prince is the one who's playng it. Your post regarding u dig most of the 1999 and Controversy is proof positive of this. P's 1999 album is his MOST funkiest album. And Controversy isn't far from behind that. There is no way in u can claim to despise funk in a legitimate manner BUT claim to dig these two albums. But seriously, u need to take a class in funk and all of the artists that have employed it before u post on here about a LARGE form of music that obviously u know very little about. Never heard of Funkadelic? Yeah,...o.k.

funkpill said:

What it is, pill?

Well, while I agree with Blackguitarist completely with every word, the one positive thing is at least this music journalist has an ounce of courage to publish a contrary opinion. This is besides the fact that he knows very little on the subject in which he's writing (music and/or funk).

Rolling Stone hasn't done this since Lester Bangs. While I don't agree with this jackass it takes balls to stand by your opinions after they're published.

I wish corporate money didn't kill the rock journalist but when Rolling Stone actually gives an album no stars, I'll believe that they actually have a real opinion about music and not a mouth full of corporate cock.