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Reply #30 posted 02/15/07 5:57am

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The reason why we didn't get any tour information is because her sponsors aren't even interested in the tour. because like I said they don't think it'll be successful . And yes I know about the diehards will support but I guess that's not good enough afterall it was the diehards that bought 20 Y.O . You need more than that you still need the support of casual fans. this is what happened during Dj also nobody would risk sponorsing her tour after the superbowl.. So I think next time Janet shouldn't say anything unless she knows for sure she has sponors it only makes her look bad


Despite her recent disappointments,I find it odd that an artist of her stature would have trouble getting sponsors for her tour.
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Reply #31 posted 02/15/07 11:06am

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http://gilduldulao.blogsp...t-now.html

looks like the tour is off, guess we have to wait another 5 years *sighs*
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Reply #32 posted 02/15/07 11:44am

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funkin4kix said:

http://gilduldulao.blogspot.com/2007/02/sensitive-subject-right-now.html

looks like the tour is off, guess we have to wait another 5 years *sighs*


I tried to get through it but once again lost patience but I think I got the gist and am not surprised at all.
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Reply #33 posted 02/15/07 12:07pm

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If Madonna could have a big tour after American Life, and Prince could sell old fans Musicology, a tour could do the same for 20 Y.O. but it looks like this era has already come to a finish. How am I supposed to stay faithful when Janet can't?
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Reply #34 posted 02/15/07 12:19pm

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CinisterCee said:

If Madonna could have a big tour after American Life, and Prince could sell old fans Musicology, a tour could do the same for 20 Y.O. but it looks like this era has already come to a finish. How am I supposed to stay faithful when Janet can't?



i think she fails to realize that not every album is going to set the charts on fire and that sometimes it takes a little effort to get the ball rolling again.
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Reply #35 posted 02/15/07 3:05pm

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ehuffnsd said:

CinisterCee said:

If Madonna could have a big tour after American Life, and Prince could sell old fans Musicology, a tour could do the same for 20 Y.O. but it looks like this era has already come to a finish. How am I supposed to stay faithful when Janet can't?



i think she fails to realize that not every album is going to set the charts on fire and that sometimes it takes a little effort to get the ball rolling again.


Lets get real here: it's clear that Janet Jackson and her camp have been rehearsing and putting together a tour from the get go of this album. She cannot do a tour if arenas/venues are not willing to book her. Period. If the major corporate sponsors such as Target, Clear Channel, or whoever are not backing the money...how the hell can she do it? She can't put up her entire fortune to fund a tour. She wants to! The fans want her to! The big business people looking at the numbers on Billboard, radio, and iTunes aren't backing her. End of story.
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Reply #36 posted 02/15/07 3:41pm

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gil said:

So its in the papers, Jd is now urban president of Island def jam. island def jam is under what umbrella....and whos the president of def jam? connect the dots.....its gonna be amazing.
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Reply #37 posted 02/15/07 4:47pm

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badujunkie said:

ehuffnsd said:




i think she fails to realize that not every album is going to set the charts on fire and that sometimes it takes a little effort to get the ball rolling again.


Lets get real here: it's clear that Janet Jackson and her camp have been rehearsing and putting together a tour from the get go of this album. She cannot do a tour if arenas/venues are not willing to book her. Period. If the major corporate sponsors such as Target, Clear Channel, or whoever are not backing the money...how the hell can she do it? She can't put up her entire fortune to fund a tour. She wants to! The fans want her to! The big business people looking at the numbers on Billboard, radio, and iTunes aren't backing her. End of story.



Exactly like Gil said they were ready but she didn't get the backing?
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Reply #38 posted 02/15/07 4:49pm

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badujunkie said:

ehuffnsd said:




i think she fails to realize that not every album is going to set the charts on fire and that sometimes it takes a little effort to get the ball rolling again.


Lets get real here: it's clear that Janet Jackson and her camp have been rehearsing and putting together a tour from the get go of this album. She cannot do a tour if arenas/venues are not willing to book her. Period. If the major corporate sponsors such as Target, Clear Channel, or whoever are not backing the money...how the hell can she do it? She can't put up her entire fortune to fund a tour. She wants to! The fans want her to! The big business people looking at the numbers on Billboard, radio, and iTunes aren't backing her. End of story.



if Prince can get the backing before Musicology if Madonna could have gotten backing after her least successful album and the anti-Bush backlash. Janet could have found someone.
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Reply #39 posted 02/15/07 5:38pm

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shortstuff45220 said:

badujunkie said:



Lets get real here: it's clear that Janet Jackson and her camp have been rehearsing and putting together a tour from the get go of this album. She cannot do a tour if arenas/venues are not willing to book her. Period. If the major corporate sponsors such as Target, Clear Channel, or whoever are not backing the money...how the hell can she do it? She can't put up her entire fortune to fund a tour. She wants to! The fans want her to! The big business people looking at the numbers on Billboard, radio, and iTunes aren't backing her. End of story.



Exactly like Gil said they were ready but she didn't get the backing?

its a crap excuse. if you know how the business works, you know its crap. there a zillion sponsors who would do this. even IF she couldn't get one major sponsor (say like coke or verizon or something), she could get several sponsors sharing the sponsorship. there's local radio stations to sponsor her(they do it all the time), there's smaller corporations, there's a ton of businesses that would love to sponsor (and advertise!) with a major event like a janet jackson concert.

the sponsor thing is crap.
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Reply #40 posted 02/15/07 5:39pm

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Someone needs to put a muzzle on Gil Apparently, he had THREE POSTS on his blog--all equally rambling. Then he decided to reduce it to one. It's just not all that dramatic. Gil is nuts. Sorry but he is. He's a good choreographer, but he definitely needs to start working with some other artists to distance himself from being Janet's best friend and now cryptic spokesperson.

Janet just didn't want to tour in the first place. Janet didn't even want to tour will All4You as she said in many intereviews, but Gil and Shawnette talked her into it. From what I've been told, it just didn't take much for Janet to cancel this one. People-insiders in the industry--have been telling me that the tour was cancelled, but I kept thinking because Gil was posting about it, they were wrong. Well, it looks like they were right. She's not Prince or Madonna tthriving on that audience. She's just not like that. I don't think she enjoys the grind of the road--or so she has said in a few interviews. It just ain't all dramatic or surprising that she perhaps cancelled this tour like she did DJ. She nearly didn't tour with All4You, and that was hit. This high drama is too much. I just hope Janet starts surrounding herself with professionals. Gil is very talented, but c'mon..he's just too close to the situation to be objective. Why is that guy everywhere with Janet? Can't he network any other way? It's ridiculous. There is just too much potential for a conflict of interest. Hey, Jamie King isn't sitting around waiting for Madonna. Other choreographers have other projects to pursue. But Gil has been relying on Janet for what 4 years now? It's just very odd--very. I don't trust the guy at all. I tried, but not anymore. Janet needs to cut those apron strings. She needs to cut him loose.
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Reply #41 posted 02/15/07 7:14pm

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Again, Janet needs to draw the line somewhere with the hired help. What is this mess about her being more focused than ever? Focused on what exactly? The only person that needs to be addressing the fans is Janet. Not her producer and certainly not her choreographer slash back up dancer. Who next? Her personal trainer?
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Reply #42 posted 02/15/07 7:32pm

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JackieBlue said:

Again, Janet needs to draw the line somewhere with the hired help. What is this mess about her being more focused than ever? Focused on what exactly? The only person that needs to be addressing the fans is Janet. Not her producer and certainly not her choreographer slash back up dancer. Who next? Her personal trainer?

they took those blogs down. he said too much. lol

and as much as i love her, i'm going on the record saying janet is a lazy pop star. its easy to be a star when you're on top. lol the work comes in when you're not the hot thang anymore.
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Reply #43 posted 02/15/07 7:35pm

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sallysassalot said:

JackieBlue said:

Again, Janet needs to draw the line somewhere with the hired help. What is this mess about her being more focused than ever? Focused on what exactly? The only person that needs to be addressing the fans is Janet. Not her producer and certainly not her choreographer slash back up dancer. Who next? Her personal trainer?

they took those blogs down. he said too much. lol

and as much as i love her, i'm going on the record saying janet is a lazy pop star. its easy to be a star when you're on top. lol the work comes in when you're not the hot thang anymore.


Yeah, I think she's lazy too. That's why I dont buy that quote about her wanting to tour into her senior years like Tina Turner and Cher.
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Reply #44 posted 02/15/07 7:41pm

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JackieBlue said:

sallysassalot said:


they took those blogs down. he said too much. lol

and as much as i love her, i'm going on the record saying janet is a lazy pop star. its easy to be a star when you're on top. lol the work comes in when you're not the hot thang anymore.


Yeah, I think she's lazy too. That's why I dont buy that quote about her wanting to tour into her senior years like Tina Turner and Cher.

please, those ladies work. hard. and tina ain't topped the charts since she was janet's age.
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Reply #45 posted 02/15/07 7:59pm

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lol
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Reply #46 posted 02/15/07 8:18pm

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Janet is LAZY now? LOL. This is too much. You guys have no idea what it's like to be in her shoes, or any superstar recording artist's, to promote a record 24/7, to drop 60 lbs in 4 months, to rehearse those kind of hours for dancing in those videos and award performances...have you guys accomplished as much as she has? Have most people by 40?
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Reply #47 posted 02/15/07 9:08pm

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Janet is LAZY now? LOL. This is too much. You guys have no idea what it's like to be in her shoes, or any superstar recording artist's, to promote a record 24/7, to drop 60 lbs in 4 months, to rehearse those kind of hours for dancing in those videos and award performances...have you guys accomplished as much as she has? Have most people by 40?

put me in the jackson family and i'll show you what i can accomplish. most people don't get the opportunity to be in the biz after one flop record, let alone two.

and yes, i think janet is lazy when it comes to promotion. how many press junkets was she on for 20 YO? and damita jo? now compare the promo work for those albums with that of all for you, velvet rope, and janet. its obvious that she does the work when she's on top but she doesn't work for it now.

i love her but i'm not gonna blow smoke up anyone's ass. as far as breaks in the entertainment business, janet has not had to work as hard as others in the business because of the family she comes from.

as for the weight gain and loss...look, its like this: when you're a megastar, your only job is to make a record every few years, go on tour, give interviews, and look good. you don't have to work 9-5, go to school, take care of your kids, etc., etc.. janet makes millions of dollars a year to look good. lol so she gained 60 pounds and took it off. i'd have a six pack, too, if i had a nutritionist and a personal trainer and a personal chef. lol
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Reply #48 posted 02/16/07 12:02am

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badujunkie said:

Janet is LAZY now? LOL. This is too much. You guys have no idea what it's like to be in her shoes, or any superstar recording artist's, to promote a record 24/7, to drop 60 lbs in 4 months, to rehearse those kind of hours for dancing in those videos and award performances


Uh...those things are her job.It's all part of the job description and if she's not willing to do the work,she's in the wrong business lol Madonna has done three world tours in this decade alone.She's also done countless live performances to promote her last album.
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Reply #49 posted 02/16/07 1:22am

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sallysassalot said:

badujunkie said:

Janet is LAZY now? LOL. This is too much. You guys have no idea what it's like to be in her shoes, or any superstar recording artist's, to promote a record 24/7, to drop 60 lbs in 4 months, to rehearse those kind of hours for dancing in those videos and award performances...have you guys accomplished as much as she has? Have most people by 40?

put me in the jackson family and i'll show you what i can accomplish. most people don't get the opportunity to be in the biz after one flop record, let alone two.

and yes, i think janet is lazy when it comes to promotion. how many press junkets was she on for 20 YO? and damita jo? now compare the promo work for those albums with that of all for you, velvet rope, and janet. its obvious that she does the work when she's on top but she doesn't work for it now.

i love her but i'm not gonna blow smoke up anyone's ass. as far as breaks in the entertainment business, janet has not had to work as hard as others in the business because of the family she comes from.

as for the weight gain and loss...look, its like this: when you're a megastar, your only job is to make a record every few years, go on tour, give interviews, and look good. you don't have to work 9-5, go to school, take care of your kids, etc., etc.. janet makes millions of dollars a year to look good. lol so she gained 60 pounds and took it off. i'd have a six pack, too, if i had a nutritionist and a personal trainer and a personal chef. lol
[Edited 2/15/07 21:10pm]


ok you're right. you know exactly what it's like to be janet jackson.

excuse me for my ingorance.
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Reply #50 posted 02/16/07 1:48am

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sallysassalot said:

shortstuff45220 said:




Exactly like Gil said they were ready but she didn't get the backing?

its a crap excuse. if you know how the business works, you know its crap. there a zillion sponsors who would do this. even IF she couldn't get one major sponsor (say like coke or verizon or something), she could get several sponsors sharing the sponsorship. there's local radio stations to sponsor her(they do it all the time), there's smaller corporations, there's a ton of businesses that would love to sponsor (and advertise!) with a major event like a janet jackson concert.

the sponsor thing is crap.


I agree,it's a crap excuse.I think Janet simply didn't want to tour.It's a shame for her fans.
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Reply #51 posted 02/16/07 1:49am

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funkin4kix said:

http://gilduldulao.blogspot.com/2007/02/sensitive-subject-right-now.html

looks like the tour is off, guess we have to wait another 5 years *sighs*



It's been removed....what did it say?
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Reply #52 posted 02/16/07 1:54am

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CinisterCee said:

If Madonna could have a big tour after American Life, and Prince could sell old fans Musicology, a tour could do the same for 20 Y.O. but it looks like this era has already come to a finish. How am I supposed to stay faithful when Janet can't?


It's very important for artists to stand behind their work,regardless of how well it does on the chart.Every album isn't gonna be a huge success.Longtime artists should understand this.If Janet felt uncomfortable touring with a flop album,she could have made this a Greatest Hits-type show.....to celebrate the 20 years since 'Control' came out.
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Reply #53 posted 02/16/07 6:26am

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badujunkie said:

Janet is LAZY now? LOL. This is too much. You guys have no idea what it's like to be in her shoes, or any superstar recording artist's, to promote a record 24/7, to drop 60 lbs in 4 months, to rehearse those kind of hours for dancing in those videos and award performances...have you guys accomplished as much as she has? Have most people by 40?



Honestly, I don't care if Janet is lazy or not. She's a multi-millionare, not having to work a day the rest of her life if that's what she chooses to do.

What annoys me about Janet and her team is that they blame everybody else for their own problems. It's always someone elses fault--the fans, the record label, a costume malfunction, never Janet's. I'm not suggesting that she has to publicly take responsibility for anything. HOWEVER, for Gil,JD whoever to whine over and over again how unfairly Janet is being treated is a bit much. If she doesn't want to tour--fine. And if she wants to gain weight in between projects--fine. If she wants to continue to record the same type of music and present herself in the same way--Fine. But don't blame the fans or even casual listeners for having an opinion about. Don't blame struggling record label for not putting their money behind a moderately successfuly project. Don't blame interviewers wanting to ask about the SB. The list can go on and on. It's as if Janet seems to think she's above any type of criticism or scrutiny? Well she's not. It's like she and her team want to control public opinion. Oh.. the negative vibe really gets them down. Oh please. save it. If they don't like it, don't read it. But quit whining about it. It's not as if she has had this major hit, but people are still trying to bring her down. She hasn't had a major hit in a while now. And I don't think it's necessarily all because of the SB or these outside forces seeking to destroy her.

She, her team, and apparently some of her fans can be in denial all they want--that's fine. But that doesn't mean everyone is in denial--particularly those in the industry. I'm not suggesting she has to cower. For cryin' out loud though, enough with the poor me stuff already. She can do her job or not, but don't whine about the fact fans have found other artists to support--willing to communicate with fans, willing to tour, willing to work with creative people, willing to work with professionals, willing to take at least a little bit of responsibility or at least not make-up excuses all of the time, willing to be upfront, willing to be more accessible, willing to remain objective and a list of other attributes-- in her absence.
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Reply #54 posted 02/16/07 6:48am

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badujunkie said:

sallysassalot said:


put me in the jackson family and i'll show you what i can accomplish. most people don't get the opportunity to be in the biz after one flop record, let alone two.

and yes, i think janet is lazy when it comes to promotion. how many press junkets was she on for 20 YO? and damita jo? now compare the promo work for those albums with that of all for you, velvet rope, and janet. its obvious that she does the work when she's on top but she doesn't work for it now.

i love her but i'm not gonna blow smoke up anyone's ass. as far as breaks in the entertainment business, janet has not had to work as hard as others in the business because of the family she comes from.

as for the weight gain and loss...look, its like this: when you're a megastar, your only job is to make a record every few years, go on tour, give interviews, and look good. you don't have to work 9-5, go to school, take care of your kids, etc., etc.. janet makes millions of dollars a year to look good. lol so she gained 60 pounds and took it off. i'd have a six pack, too, if i had a nutritionist and a personal trainer and a personal chef. lol
[Edited 2/15/07 21:10pm]


ok you're right. you know exactly what it's like to be janet jackson.

excuse me for my ingorance.

no worries. you're excused.
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Reply #55 posted 02/16/07 8:59am

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sallysassalot said:

badujunkie said:



ok you're right. you know exactly what it's like to be janet jackson.

excuse me for my ingorance.

no worries. you're excused.


lol
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Reply #56 posted 02/16/07 9:21am

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it's not like she has come up with a new concept for the tour she's been the same damn show for almost 15 years. how hard would it be to throw in a couple new songs and dances and hit the road?
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Reply #57 posted 02/16/07 9:26am

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Janet has been making me yawn for years now, and her tour sets (from what I've seen) are so predictable that it becomes contrived. I think that with the right direction she could still come with some fresh ideas and good music, but she doesn't have the creativity of her brother(s.) I have respect for Janet, but I have no interest in seeing her live in concert. The again, I've never been a die-hard fan.
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Reply #58 posted 02/16/07 9:32am

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SefraNSue said:

Janet has been making me yawn for years now, and her tour sets (from what I've seen) are so predictable that it becomes contrived. I think that with the right direction she could still come with some fresh ideas and good music, but she doesn't have the creativity of her brother(s.) I have respect for Janet, but I have no interest in seeing her live in concert. The again, I've never been a die-hard fan.



Michael has been doing the same show since the Victory tour as well.
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Reply #59 posted 02/16/07 9:36am

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ehuffnsd said:

SefraNSue said:

Janet has been making me yawn for years now, and her tour sets (from what I've seen) are so predictable that it becomes contrived. I think that with the right direction she could still come with some fresh ideas and good music, but she doesn't have the creativity of her brother(s.) I have respect for Janet, but I have no interest in seeing her live in concert. The again, I've never been a die-hard fan.



Michael has been doing the same show since the Victory tour as well.

True, but at least we don't see it as often. lol Actually, I would LOVE for MJ to do an unplugged set, but I don't see Janet as having the vocal skill to do the same.
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