HamsterHuey said:

No. Just a medium sized secret, I'd say.

GangstaFam said:

I never said I am a size queen, mind you. I like medium-sized. Too.

GangstaFam said:

Oh, it feels like I'm 11 again!!!

Cheek said:

sallysassalot said:

Awright, but in both instances it means she now tkaes the liberty to tinker her recordings bloodless.

I mean, it is Boys For Pele she is talking about. It is like Prince's The Christ or the Beatles' recordings PhilSpectorfucked up; nothing wrong with the originals, damnit.

The best work either Tori or Prince have done are the works where they had to work around their limitations. As soon as artist get too comfortable, they start doing stupid, boring stuff most of the time.

HamsterHuey said:

i haven't been bored with anything tori's done. prince, now, that's another story.

HamsterHuey said:

I can sort of see this. I was listening to Beekeeper the other day and I felt like the album was sort of a jam session. Not quite distilled.

HamsterHuey said:

We're only talking about what I'm writing, right?

heartbeatocean said:

you know, my two faves of hers are pele and beekeeper. i can't tell if they're sonic siblings separated by more years then mother would like to admit or if its the same person, just grown up and differently philosophized.

IstenSzek said:

Harder!

Cheek said:

i can't. i'm already giving it all i've got

IstenSzek said:

Cheek said:

don't be sad. i'll buy us a toy if you really want to

sallysassalot said:

What do you see as similar between them? The sentiments in the lyrics or the music itself? Can you break this down for me? Cuz I'm not sure how they're similar at all.


Although now I'm getting a few ideas...

heartbeatocean said:

We could write a collaborative thesis on the matter.

GangstaFam said:

You have to ask?

HamsterHuey said:

With you, yes!

GangstaFam said:

don't tease me

heartbeatocean said:

this is brief and doesn't do my thoughts justice but i'm borrowed time now.

boys for pele (in my mind, anyway) is about the the end of relationships, dealing with that ending, yet realizing there's a beginning as the result of this end. its angry, its painful, its scared, but in the end its triumphant. all of this is, of course, through the eyes of a 32 year old (or whatever she was at the time).

beekeeper is similarly about the loss of relationship but this is a more familiar relationship. this is a relationship with herself, her sibling, her mother...much more mature than the parental rebellion in pele and the bitter breakup of a romantic relationship. there's still pain and fear and triumph but the triumph is a little more bittersweet, a little more...mortal.

its very hard for me to put it into a few paragraphs. i guess its not necessarily the musical element but the lyrical content and subject matter. the way she deals with the different facets of the same emotions. at the time, i could relate to pele perfectly but i no longer have the young angsty feeling; i love the cd (its still my favorite) but i can only relate to it now through memory. today i can relate perfectly to beekeeper, its like the perfect successor to pele for me.

anyway, back to contracts.

heartbeatocean said:

I'm honestly not! I think Sassy and I could do a compare and contrast all day about those 2 albums.

sallysassalot said:

Cool. That helps.

GangstaFam said:

you're still teasing me

heartbeatocean said:

Wait. How?

GangstaFam said:

cuz I want to hear the collaborative thesis and the all-day compare and contrast

heartbeatocean said:

Ah, gotcha. Maybe I'll work on it. Check your orgnotes.

GangstaFam said:

Anyways.
I just dreamt that Tori started a rock band with Trent Reznor.

In my dream she sang Into The Void... WITH the beats supplied by Reznor.

HamsterHuey said:

I wouldn't like that.

GangstaFam said:

I am a bit more adventurous, mayhaps. I wanna hear her wail over guitars and divine electronic bleeps.

HamsterHuey said:

I dunno. I like Tori to try new things. But for the past decade, I've found Trent to be incredibly boring. I never buy his shit anymore.