Slave2daGroove said:

I've never bought this whole hypocritical argument. I don't think you can seriously say that things like sugar, caffeine, nicotine and alcohol have the same health consequences and addictiveness as heroin and cocaine.
Yes, nicotine leads to cancer and is addictive, but it does not lead to overdoses as quicky as heroin and coke do. Yes, some people become alcoholics but many people enjoy a few drinks and don't become addicted. Very few people can take heroin or coke without becoming addicted.
Also none of these drugs have the same negative effect on your brain and thinking and your behavior towards others around you that coke and heroin do.
This is a common argument that addicts use to justify their continued drug addiction. Everyone is on some kind of drug, and so it's okay for me to keep using my coke or heroin, too. It's a way to avoid responsibility for their own drug use.
It's not about judging anyone. It's about being concerned about a person's physical and mental health. Drugs are bad for you and your creativity. They have never made anyone's music or life better. Don't use them, end of story.

Harlepolis said:

Yeah, I know that...I've read a bio book on her...what an amazing woman!

Glindathegood said:

Actually, I almost never consume sugar, caffeine, nicotine or alcohol. Well, sugar more lately...once or twice a week. So there are some people who are not "on drugs". Unless one considers two excedrins a month to treat migraines or eating whole foods to be "on drugs". I'm not saying that to be self-righteous, and I have had my addictions in the past -- but I just thought I'd mention there are a few rare birds out there who are pretty clean. It seems to be so rare that I feel self-conscious even mentioning it. It's like you're a freak or abnormal if you don't take these things, except amid specialized communities.

Usually musicians are alreay a little left or right of center...soo....


then there's the increase of income...free time...


but just like normal people things get out of control at times. But usually not too crazy. Keith is still kickin' it....lol...(as in Richards).

Glindathegood said:

Well, if I was saying this to justify my own addictions that would be a different story so your generalization is lost on me. So while you're not judging anyone, making generalizations speaks volumes.

My point is that they are ALL drugs and more of the general public is on them then people realize. It's hypocritical to be on ANY drugs and then judge others for using whatever drug they are using. Cast the first stone and all that.

As far as the physical ramifications, what the hell ever. The FDA has such a great track record? 30 second disclaimers giving me a list of side affects that can't be anywhere near as bad as having whatever illness they're trying to cure. "If your erection lasts for over 4 hours call a doctor" - "May cause anal leakage, bleeding from eyes and deafness" - Where's your concern for your fellow man's health and well being here?

We agree on one point though;



Everything in moderation...

heartbeatocean said:

Well, who hasn't had some issues, it's called life. I think people are weak and when they run across someone like you (pretty clean) they trip out because it's like an extinct animal or a 40 year old virgin. (I love that movie)

I'm just for not making any judgement and respect the choices people make in their life rather than make them feel one way or another.

Slave2daGroove said:

I try my best not to make judgments but when I watch my best friend throw his life in the garbage by being permanently stoned and drunk, and hurting people, especially himself, I got to admit, I've got hangups about it. But that's another story.

heartbeatocean said:

Good for you!!

Artists don't lead normal lives and they're open to new experiences and expanding their minds, so they are open to drugs, too (they also have wilder hair and more tattoos )

but as someone pointed out, everyone is on drugs. If it's not heroin, it's Ambien, Paxil, nicotine, alcohol, caffeine, etc. (and yes I think cigarettes & alcohol are just as dangerous as illegal drugs. They kill people every day)

Some artists take drugs recreationally, and some take them because they don't feel right, just like regular people.
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NDRU said:

even me?

lonelygurl8305 said:

the hard work and focus happens tomorrow!

heartbeatocean said:

ah, I know you have had some experiences, at least

but i really do believe we're all on "drugs." food is a drug, it affects our moods & dreams, adrenaline is a drug, exercise is a drug, music, sex, God, entertainment are drugs, gossip, and of course the ORG are drugs!

Maybe that's avoiding the real question, which is about hard drugs, but I believe that we all self-medicate in countless ways. Some drugs are simply far more dangerous than others.
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NDRU said:

okay, fine

so maybe...music is its own drug?

heartbeatocean said:

definitely

It doesn't really make sense, but it brings about physical reactions, like chills, tears, excitement, bobbing of heads. Seems like a drug. Plue we've all spent a lot of money on music.