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Reply #60 posted 02/09/07 9:16am

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Shapeshifter said:

I hated the last album.

I thought it was just me. smile
Well didn't really hate it. More disappointed by it.

I've been a fan since...



...12 X 5 (maybe the first album I purchased by anybody)


A fan of everything in the Brian Jones era (even the very end)...



...these probably top the list.


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Great choices. Satanic Majesties, in particular. A lot of fans don't rate that one, but I think much of it is superb. Brian Jones's influence is all over the album - even if he was against "copying the Beatles".

"A Bigger Bang" was lame. What do you think happens at Stones' writing sessions these days? Most of "A Bad Album" sound like it was written by a semi-talented Stones tribute band ticking off a list. I think they constructed the album as opposed to wrote it - as in, let's write something we can play two songs from live, everyone goes for beer and a piss-break during the new songs anyway.
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Reply #61 posted 02/09/07 9:18am

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PurpleJam said:

abigail05 said:

it took many years before I figured out what I liked best about the Stones: Mick Taylor



The classic Stones concert 'Brussels Affair', which unforunately was never officially released to the public, easily proves that Mick Taylor belongs on the list of the top 10 greatest guitar players ever in rock music.



Agreed! Compare Brussels (by the way, if you don't have it, get The Complete Bruissels Affair - two CDs taken from the 1985 radio broadcast; the tapes were remixed by Jagger) to any boots from the 75-76, 78 and 81-82 tours and you'll definitely hear SOMETHING MISSING. I don't count the later tours because they're all stage-managed, choreographed pantomime.
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Reply #62 posted 02/09/07 9:19am

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Certainly Rod was wonderful with the Faces and on his first solo records, but I still think Mick's the greatest white blues singer ever. The measurement I use in my head is this: would Rod have sounded good singing No Expectations, the greatest acoustic blues song the stones did by my reasoning, with the same arrangement? I think the answer is no, but I'm not the final authority on this, of course.



I don't know about Jagger being the greatest white blues singer ever. But I do think that he does not get enough credit for being the very soulful singer he was, especially considering the way he is singing nowadays,ahhh!

There are many great examples of Jagger's excellent blues/soul vocal stylings on record, such as: 'Let It Loose', 'Beast Of Burden', 'Cry To Me', 'Almost Hear You Sigh' and 'Fool To Cry', to name but 5. Maybe not the greatest, but certainly one of the most underrated.

I would list the 5 greatest white blues singers as being(in no particular order) the following:
1. Jagger(back in the day)
2. Rod Stewart
3. Steve Winwood
4. Eric Burdon
5. Van Morrison
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Ah, I completely forgot about Van. Probably because he's been churning out lame insipid crap since Avbalon Sunset.
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Reply #63 posted 02/09/07 9:29am

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No way! In the last 20 years, Jagger, with his relentless interest in new music and desire to stay contemporary, kept the band relatively fresh. If it were up to Keith Richards, The Stones would've turned into Status Quo thirty years ago. Richards was the "brains" behind Dirty Work and you know how THAT turned out.

As for Ron Wood "ruining the Stones". I'd say no. According to Glyn Johns, he was the worst thing that happened to the Stones and they to him. He brought them nothing they didn't already have (a Keith Richards-style guitar player), and they stifled his development as a guitarist. The band hired him because he got on with everyone and made everyone laugh. In short, Ronnie was their court jester. With Ron Wood they've made one great album (Some Girls), a very good one (Tattoo You), some good to average ones (Undercover, Steel Wheels, Emotional Rescue) and some average to poor ones - the rest. All that in thirty years.

Mick Taylor was a virtuoso who pushed the band to great heights. In his six years in the band, they made Let It Bleed, Sticky Fingers, Exile on Main Street, Goat's Head Soup and It's Only Rock'n'Roll. The latter is patchy, but has some sublime moments (Time Waits For No One, Fingerprint File). There are NO sublime musical moments on the Ron Wood albums, just great tunes. [/b]



"Tattoo You" is all songs that were in the vault. They put it out reluctantly, not realizing that all the outtakes were classic Stones songs. Theres no credit given for the songs, but Mick Taylor is playing on alot of them. Not even sure what Ron played on for sure, because they dont give musician credit. I believe this was done to avoid paying musicians such as Mick Taylor.

I do like Ron, I think when Bill Wyman left the band changed for the worse. Listen to Bill's bass lines, they add a lot, and Darryl Jones or whoever plays them now like Ron sometimes, cant come up with the cool lines that bill played. He added a lot just like Charlie does.



Wyman was an underrated bass player of the british invasion and probably an underrated player as a whole. Listen to his bass playing on songs like 'Under My Thumb' and 'Miss You'. The man could groove when he wanted to. And not to mention that cool dive bombing technique he used at the end of the song '19th Nervous Breakdown'.
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Reply #64 posted 02/09/07 11:19am

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"Tattoo You" is all songs that were in the vault. They put it out reluctantly, not realizing that all the outtakes were classic Stones songs. Theres no credit given for the songs, but Mick Taylor is playing on alot of them. Not even sure what Ron played on for sure, because they dont give musician credit. I believe this was done to avoid paying musicians such as Mick Taylor.

I do like Ron, I think when Bill Wyman left the band changed for the worse. Listen to Bill's bass lines, they add a lot, and Darryl Jones or whoever plays them now like Ron sometimes, cant come up with the cool lines that bill played. He added a lot just like Charlie does.


Charlie Watts drove and still drives The Stones. And you're right about Wyman. Funny, they've made nothing of note since he left isn't it?

Wyman was an underrated bass player of the british invasion and probably an underrated player as a whole. Listen to his bass playing on songs like 'Under My Thumb' and 'Miss You'. The man could groove when he wanted to. And not to mention that cool dive bombing technique he used at the end of the song '19th Nervous Breakdown'.
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Reply #65 posted 02/09/07 11:37am

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theAudience said:

Shapeshifter said:

I hated the last album.

I thought it was just me. smile
Well didn't really hate it. More disappointed by it.

I've been a fan since...



...12 X 5 (maybe the first album I purchased by anybody)


A fan of everything in the Brian Jones era (even the very end)...



...these probably top the list.


tA

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Now that you mention it, I first got into the Stones when I was a kid with the Hot Rocks compilation which was their early Brian Jones stuff. nod
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Reply #66 posted 02/09/07 11:53am

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heartbeatocean said:

theAudience said:


I thought it was just me. smile
Well didn't really hate it. More disappointed by it.

I've been a fan since...



...12 X 5 (maybe the first album I purchased by anybody)


A fan of everything in the Brian Jones era (even the very end)...



...these probably top the list.


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431


Now that you mention it, I first got into the Stones when I was a kid with the Hot Rocks compilation which was their early Brian Jones stuff. nod



I got into them with Miss You in 1978 - the first record I ever bought. Some Girls was the first album. Then I went back and discovered all the others. At the time I thought Exile was "the next best after Some Girls". Oddly enough, I still do. lol
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Reply #67 posted 02/09/07 11:59am

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Shapeshifter said:

heartbeatocean said:



Now that you mention it, I first got into the Stones when I was a kid with the Hot Rocks compilation which was their early Brian Jones stuff. nod



I got into them with Miss You in 1978 - the first record I ever bought. Some Girls was the first album. Then I went back and discovered all the others. At the time I thought Exile was "the next best after Some Girls". Oddly enough, I still do. lol
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I started listening to the Stones just before they came out with Tattoo You and went on tour. I was way more into their early songs though, never could get that into Tattoo You.
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Reply #68 posted 02/09/07 1:57pm

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heartbeatocean said:

Shapeshifter said:




I got into them with Miss You in 1978 - the first record I ever bought. Some Girls was the first album. Then I went back and discovered all the others. At the time I thought Exile was "the next best after Some Girls". Oddly enough, I still do. lol
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I started listening to the Stones just before they came out with Tattoo You and went on tour. I was way more into their early songs though, never could get that into Tattoo You.



Same here, initially. I didn't care for either Emotional Rescue or Tattoo You when they first came out, but now I rate Tattoo You as one of their penultimate good album. And, compared to the last three pieces of tongue-branded product they've released, Emotional Rescue is a masterpiece of arch post-disco irony.
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Reply #69 posted 02/09/07 2:06pm

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PurpleJam said:

DMSR said:




"Tattoo You" is all songs that were in the vault. They put it out reluctantly, not realizing that all the outtakes were classic Stones songs. Theres no credit given for the songs, but Mick Taylor is playing on alot of them. Not even sure what Ron played on for sure, because they dont give musician credit. I believe this was done to avoid paying musicians such as Mick Taylor.

I do like Ron, I think when Bill Wyman left the band changed for the worse. Listen to Bill's bass lines, they add a lot, and Darryl Jones or whoever plays them now like Ron sometimes, cant come up with the cool lines that bill played. He added a lot just like Charlie does.



Wyman was an underrated bass player of the british invasion and probably an underrated player as a whole. Listen to his bass playing on songs like 'Under My Thumb' and 'Miss You'. The man could groove when he wanted to. And not to mention that cool dive bombing technique he used at the end of the song '19th Nervous Breakdown'.


Andrew Loog-Oldham on The Stones at the Superbowl last year:

"the stones seemed as if they did not care and needed bill wyman. this is not the medium, nor the occasion in which not caring works".
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Reply #70 posted 02/09/07 3:00pm

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Shapeshifter said:

Great choices. Satanic Majesties, in particular. A lot of fans don't rate that one, but I think much of it is superb. Brian Jones's influence is all over the album - even if he was against "copying the Beatles".

"A Bigger Bang" was lame. What do you think happens at Stones' writing sessions these days? Most of "A Bad Album" sound like it was written by a semi-talented Stones tribute band ticking off a list. I think they constructed the album as opposed to wrote it - as in, let's write something we can play two songs from live, everyone goes for beer and a piss-break during the new songs anyway.


Thanks.

2000 Light Years From Home star star star star
She's A Rainbow
Citadel


I love that album
And yes I agree that you hear BJ's influence all over it.

On A Bigger Bang, I kept waiting for that big Killer-Keef riff (which to my ears) never came.


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Reply #71 posted 02/09/07 3:22pm

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I'm not sure about wood ruining stones,
but I do know that paper covers rock.
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Reply #72 posted 02/09/07 6:23pm

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heartbeatocean said:


Now that you mention it, I first got into the Stones when I was a kid with the Hot Rocks compilation which was their early Brian Jones stuff. nod

There's a lot of BJ there but also dips into the Mick Taylor era.


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Reply #73 posted 02/10/07 12:50am

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theAudience said:

Shapeshifter said:

Great choices. Satanic Majesties, in particular. A lot of fans don't rate that one, but I think much of it is superb. Brian Jones's influence is all over the album - even if he was against "copying the Beatles".

"A Bigger Bang" was lame. What do you think happens at Stones' writing sessions these days? Most of "A Bad Album" sound like it was written by a semi-talented Stones tribute band ticking off a list. I think they constructed the album as opposed to wrote it - as in, let's write something we can play two songs from live, everyone goes for beer and a piss-break during the new songs anyway.


Thanks.

2000 Light Years From Home star star star star
She's A Rainbow
Citadel


I love that album
And yes I agree that you hear BJ's influence all over it.

On A Bigger Bang, I kept waiting for that big Killer-Keef riff (which to my ears) never came.


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My "Satanic" favourites too. I like Sing This All Together and 2000 Man as well. She's A Rainbow is absolutely sublime isn't it?

Keith hasn't been Keef in years. He's been on cruise control since 1989. The only things I liked on A Bigger Bang were Oh No Not You Again (which should've been the first single), Streets of Love and the remix of Rain Fall Down. That's two more songs than I liked on Bridges to Baywatch (easily their worst album).
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Reply #74 posted 02/10/07 3:53am

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Shapeshifter said:

theAudience said:


Thanks.

2000 Light Years From Home star star star star
She's A Rainbow
Citadel


I love that album
And yes I agree that you hear BJ's influence all over it.

On A Bigger Bang, I kept waiting for that big Killer-Keef riff (which to my ears) never came.


tA

peace Tribal Disorder

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My "Satanic" favourites too. I like Sing This All Together and 2000 Man as well. She's A Rainbow is absolutely sublime isn't it?

Keith hasn't been Keef in years. He's been on cruise control since 1989. The only things I liked on A Bigger Bang were Oh No Not You Again (which should've been the first single), Streets of Love and the remix of Rain Fall Down. That's two more songs than I liked on Bridges to Baywatch (easily their worst album).
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Well, Bridges was by no means a great album, but I do actually prefer it to Bang. 'Already Over Me' is an underrated Stones ballad, with some rather nice singing by Mick. And Ron actually contributes something to the song, with his lovely dobro guitar lines throughout the piece. Easily one of his best(and very few) and worthy contributions to a Stones song that he has ever made with the group.
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Reply #75 posted 02/10/07 4:21am

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Shapeshifter said:




My "Satanic" favourites too. I like Sing This All Together and 2000 Man as well. She's A Rainbow is absolutely sublime isn't it?

Keith hasn't been Keef in years. He's been on cruise control since 1989. The only things I liked on A Bigger Bang were Oh No Not You Again (which should've been the first single), Streets of Love and the remix of Rain Fall Down. That's two more songs than I liked on Bridges to Baywatch (easily their worst album).
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I'll have to listen to it again then - in your honour. Did you ever see the video for Anybody Seen My Baby with Angie Jolie in it? It's the only song I like on the album.

Well, Bridges was by no means a great album, but I do actually prefer it to Bang. 'Already Over Me' is an underrated Stones ballad, with some rather nice singing by Mick. And Ron actually contributes something to the song, with his lovely dobro guitar lines throughout the piece. Easily one of his best(and very few) and worthy contributions to a Stones song that he has ever made with the group.
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