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sosgemini said: "how is that evidence of him being a bastard? thats a business and marketing decision..
evidence of his bastardness would be screwing folks of pay...which he did, right?" What about Berry Gordy not letting the RIAA audit his sales records so his artists could receive gold and platimum certification for their work? What about squeezing acts by paying them a royalty rate of 2.8 percent, when it was common for acts to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 percent? [Edited 1/27/07 15:25pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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silverchild said: Duggs said: thanks for that clip. I always thought Mary was the hot one!!!
So is the character C.C. loosely suppose 2 be Smokey?? Motown had every opportunity to tell their story but they sitting on all the material, with the success of Ray in the past and now DreamGirls. who's up next Marvin?? Motown will be opening up the vault and letting these stories be told because now the money is their. Actually, I heard that the ABC network is planning to do a 2-part miniseries based on the life of the Supremes. The true story about Diana Ross, Mary Wilson, Florence Ballard and Cindy Birdsong will be based on the Dreamgirl autobiography written by Mary Wilson. Isn't this crazy? I believe it is a rumor, but you never know what will happen sometime this year or early next year. Ummmm Hmmm guess willl have to wait in see, but there's more to come so many stories from Motown how could they not. | |
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Najee said: sosgemini said: "how is that evidence of him being a bastard? thats a business and marketing decision..
evidence of his bastardness would be screwing folks of pay...which he did, right?" What about Berry Gordy not letting the RIAA audit his sales records so his artists could receive gold and platimum certification for their work? What about squeezing acts by paying them a royalty rate of 2.8 percent, when it was common for acts to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 percent? [Edited 1/27/07 15:25pm] whats worse then a bastard? Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: TonyVanDam said: Case In Point: Having Diana Ross move up to lead vocalist of The Supreme was Berry's idea to better the group's chances of crossover success. Beside, Florence sounded "too black", according to Berry.  how is that evidence of him being a bastard? thats a business and marketing decision.. evidence of his bastardness would be screwing folks of pay...which he did, right? .....and divided and conquer, holding people back from their true destiny to be self-contained producers/composers, not paying songwriters on time, etc. Hey, wait a second! Berry Gordy set the standards in which ALL label CEOs would be measure (Clive Davis, Tommy Mottola, Sean Combs, Suge Knight, etc.)!  | |
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The part of the'Dreamgirls' film that bugged me the most were the unnecessary ties to Motown that weren't in the play--like that Jackson 5 wannabe group. What was the point of that? If you're going to try and tell the Motown story, get the rights to do it, and then tell it right. Otherwise, don't bother. Just stick to the original script.
Don't rip off the people that built Motown by doing their story halfway. The original play wasn't nearly so obvious. | |
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sosgemini said: whats worse then a bastard?
So taking 97.2 percent of what a recording artist made in royalties, taking practically all rights to their songs and then creating an environment where they can't have any creative control of their own livlihood -- while wrapping it up in some quasi-racial solidarity crap of how black recording artists can appeal to white America -- isn't being a bastard? [Edited 1/27/07 17:14pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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lameless said: The part of the'Dreamgirls' film that bugged me the most were the unnecessary ties to Motown that weren't in the play--like that Jackson 5 wannabe group. What was the point of that? If you're going to try and tell the Motown story, get the rights to do it, and then tell it right. Otherwise, don't bother. Just stick to the original script.
Don't rip off the people that built Motown by doing their story halfway. The original play wasn't nearly so obvious. I'll partially agree with you on that! I was shocked when I saw that scene too because it seemed kind of like a generic, wannabe Jackson 5 group and the beginning of act II of the film when Deena was watching that retrospective of her career, I almost laughed at some of the names of the groups that the director came up with! But overall, I thought it was a great film that was worth the wait... Check me out and add me on:
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lameless said: The part of the'Dreamgirls' film that bugged me the most were the unnecessary ties to Motown that weren't in the play--like that Jackson 5 wannabe group. What was the point of that? If you're going to try and tell the Motown story, get the rights to do it, and then tell it right. Otherwise, don't bother. Just stick to the original script.
Don't rip off the people that built Motown by doing their story halfway. The original play wasn't nearly so obvious. the original script i believe was loosely based on the Supremes who were a group on Motown records i believe. Im not getting it the play is not a rip-off but the movie is a rip-off because of sum Jackson 5 wanabees were in the movie??? | |
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silverchild said: lameless said: The part of the'Dreamgirls' film that bugged me the most were the unnecessary ties to Motown that weren't in the play--like that Jackson 5 wannabe group. What was the point of that? If you're going to try and tell the Motown story, get the rights to do it, and then tell it right. Otherwise, don't bother. Just stick to the original script.
Don't rip off the people that built Motown by doing their story halfway. The original play wasn't nearly so obvious. I'll partially agree with you on that! I was shocked when I saw that scene too because it seemed kind of like a generic, wannabe Jackson 5 group and the beginning of act II of the film when Deena was watching that retrospective of her career, I almost laughed at some of the names of the groups that the director came up with! But overall, I thought it was a great film that was worth the wait... You should have laughed because it was funny, it was meant to be funny. I like the part when "lil MJ" was waiting on the otherside of the door for "Deana" he sure did love him sum Diana, I mean Deana  | |
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Duggs said: lameless said: The part of the'Dreamgirls' film that bugged me the most were the unnecessary ties to Motown that weren't in the play--like that Jackson 5 wannabe group. What was the point of that? If you're going to try and tell the Motown story, get the rights to do it, and then tell it right. Otherwise, don't bother. Just stick to the original script.
Don't rip off the people that built Motown by doing their story halfway. The original play wasn't nearly so obvious. the original script i believe was loosely based on the Supremes who were a group on Motown records i believe. Im not getting it the play is not a rip-off but the movie is a rip-off because of sum Jackson 5 wanabees were in the movie??? The play AT BEST was VERY loosely based on the Supremes. Really, the only similarity is that a girl group becomes really famous after a record producer changes their image to one most of America would more easily accept. Almost everything else is fiction! It's a fictional story! It's not biographical, however... 
...the film makes DIRECT references to Motown where the play did not. That's why I said the film is more of a rip-off than the play. Edited to answer your question: the play is not a rip-off but the movie is a rip-off because of sum Jackson 5 wanabees were in the movie???
Yes. [Edited 1/27/07 19:42pm] | |
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lameless said:[quote] Duggs said: The play AT BEST was VERY loosely based on the Supremes. Really, the only similarity is that a girl group becomes really famous after a record producer changes their image to one most of America would more easily accept. Almost everything else is fiction! It's a fictional story! It's not biographical, however...
...the film makes DIRECT references to Motown where the play did not. That's why I said the film is more of a rip-off than the play. Edited to answer your question: the play is not a rip-off but the movie is a rip-off because of sum Jackson 5 wanabees were in the movie???
Yes. [Edited 1/27/07 19:42pm] I was waiting for someone to make this clear for everyone once and for all! Smokey should look up the words "biographical" and "fiction" in the dictionary... Check me out and add me on:
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silverchild said: lameless said: Yes. [Edited 1/27/07 19:42pm] I was waiting for someone to make this clear for everyone once and for all! Smokey should look up the words "biographical" and "fiction" in the dictionary... I get your point. Me being from Michigan and knowing since high shcool that Dreamgirls was "loosely based" on the supremes. My High School even performed DreamGirls when i was in school. I really expected all the motown references thats about the only way to make Dreamgirls a good movie. | |
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sosgemini said: Najee said: What about Berry Gordy not letting the RIAA audit his sales records so his artists could receive gold and platimum certification for their work? What about squeezing acts by paying them a royalty rate of 2.8 percent, when it was common for acts to get somewhere in the neighborhood of 20 percent? [Edited 1/27/07 15:25pm] whats worse then a bastard? A greedy bastard! You got The Holland brothers, Lamont Dozier(sp?), Norman Whitefield, Smokey Robinson, Paul Riser and Clarence Paul. Those are the people who shaped and formed Motown history and they have talked about being ripped off(Of course, minus Berry's sidekick Mr.Robinson) during daylight out of their royalties, over and over again. Its not a secret anymore. Of course, Ashford and Simpson were smart enough to break away from the Motown curse and reinvented their craft after that. I didn't even mentioned the artists(major and obscure who got fucked to shreds by him) I mentioed the writers, producers and arrangers becoz they seem to get the bigger piece of the pie when it comes to royalties,,,,,not in Motown they don't. Pick up Marvin Gay's Divided Souls, this is the 1st book that really exposed them as far as bio-books concern IMO. | |
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lameless said:[quote] Duggs said: The play AT BEST was VERY loosely based on the Supremes. Really, the only similarity is that a girl group becomes really famous after a record producer changes their image to one most of America would more easily accept. Almost everything else is fiction! It's a fictional story! It's not biographical, however...
...the film makes DIRECT references to Motown where the play did not. That's why I said the film is more of a rip-off than the play. Edited to answer your question: the play is not a rip-off but the movie is a rip-off because of sum Jackson 5 wanabees were in the movie???
Yes. [Edited 1/27/07 19:42pm]  Damn, now see I don't like that. The playwrights just wanted to tell a general story. They weren't trying to out ppl. But of course Hollywood had to push it and make all those references. I especially didn't like how they had the youngest "Campbell" boy waiting outside the room for "Deena"  I graduated bitches!!! 12-19-09   | |
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Harlepolis said: sosgemini said: whats worse then a bastard? A greedy bastard! You got The Holland brothers, Lamont Dozier(sp?), Norman Whitefield, Smokey Robinson, Paul Riser and Clarence Paul. Those are the people who shaped and formed Motown history and they have talked about being ripped off(Of course, minus Berry's sidekick Mr.Robinson) during daylight out of their royalties, over and over again. Its not a secret anymore. Of course, Ashford and Simpson were smart enough to break away from the Motown curse and reinvented their craft after that. I didn't even mentioned the artists(major and obscure who got fucked to shreds by him) I mentioed the writers, producers and arrangers becoz they seem to get the bigger piece of the pie when it comes to royalties,,,,,not in Motown they don't. Pick up Marvin Gay's Divided Souls, this is the 1st book that really exposed them as far as bio-books concern IMO. tanks!!! Space for sale... | |
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