SoulAlive said:

Say what you want about Prince but Purple Rain was a bigger hit than anything Madonna ever had.

LordEvil said:

'Desperately Seeking Susan' grossed $27,398,584 in the US alone.Not bad,considering it only cost $4,500,000 to make.Back in 1985,those numbers were impressive.

LordEvil said:

No doubt.But his follow-up films were flops at the box office.Madonna was at least able to follow up her first hit film with a few other successes.I think it's safe to say that 'Evita' got better reviews and better box office than both 'UTCM' and 'Graffiti Bridge' put together

You guys can twist this however you want but the facts remain in the numbers,even Madonna has said in interviews that she wished she had greater success at the box office.

I don't think Madonna is losing sleep over it, just you guys .

I stand by what I said that Beyonce has a hit and looks like its gonna be big for her, I like them both, but i'm not about to twist reality because I favor somebody.

SoulAlive said:

I agree with that

LordEvil said:

Without question,Beyonce has a hit movie.I'm not doubting it.I'm sure she'll have a few more hit movies in her career.She's on track to become the Diana Ross of this generation.Just trying to point out that Madonna has had several hit movies too.She has been involved with films that have made alot of money and got good reviews.She has no reason to feel threatened by Beyonce.Right now,Beyonce is simply experiencing what Madonna already went through in 1996 when 'Evita' came out.

[Edited 1/12/07 6:16am]

LordEvil said:

Turned a profit. More than a whole lot of movies can say now of days.

LordEvil said:

However all of this can be shot down by Jennifer Lopez. She had a Number one song,album,movie all in the same week, and held it for awhile. Beyonce's Dreamgirls is doing well, but its not about her, its a loaded cast, and to be honest come oscar time, she will be left sitting in her sit while others collect. And now Jennifer Lopez is back with a A spanish album,single and of course that movie too, look for her to this time have a number one movie,latin album, latin single all at once.

EveryOrger said:

LordEvil said:

Madonna has a new film comming out this year.

Beyonce did at age 25.

Madonna is a better actress than Beyonce, at least in Evita. Beyonce is incredibly boring - at least Madonna occasionally manages to be interesting on screen.

VoicesCarry said:

at age 25?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=AVYgnVcUSUI

CinisterCee said:

Forget it if Madonna was known for her acting she'd be in awe of Alley Sheddy

CinisterCee said:

Beyonce is 32, right?

how could yall call dreamgirls beyonce's movie? she is part of a star-studded ensamble, yall are acting like this is the bodyguard....whitney shits on all the singers-turned-actresses when it comes to film success.

SoulAlive said:

i still think its laughable that people try to use Madonna's Golden Globe award as proof that she is a credible actress.

look folks, everyone knows that you can pretty much buy yourself a golden globe win. there are a very small number of foreign press voters...sharon stone was able to campaign her way to a win.pia zadora bought her award. and even this year, what the heck is beyonce doing in the best actress category? her studio lobbied for it and received it despite the fact that her performance is obviously a supporting role...

so folks, please: for the love of god stop using madonna's golden globe win as evidence that she is a good actress...the golden globes are famous for hosting great parties...and thats it.

and per imdb Evita was *not* a financial success:


http://www.imdb.com/title...0/business

Budget
$55,000,000 (estimated)

Gross
$50,047,179 (USA) (8 May 1997)

sosgemini said:

you just welcomed about 150 posts proclaiming why you are wrong...

RipHer2Shreds said:

"Those are just American earnings; Evita was interplanetary!"

CinisterCee said:

RipHer2Shreds said:

i noticed someone mentioned international sales...well folks, you can't just gage a films financial success based on the cost of the film versus the gross because if a film is released there are marketing costs that get factored in that aren't part of the initial budget. and the more markets a film has to enter to reach a profit, the more money it costs to market the beast (thus reducing the films profit). so i just figured i'd eliminate all the figures and shoot for the hollywood odometer and only address the US market.

but, imdb does state the following: $91,000,000 (Non-USA) (sub-total)

but..how much did it cost to market the film in all those markets? and how can we even compare evita to dreamgirls when that film hasn't even been released internationally? and who the fuck cares anyways?

madonna sucked in evita and beyonce sucked in dreamgirls...

sosgemini said:

I thought both were adequate.

just imdb.com the cold hard $$$ figures and adjust for inflation....

RipHer2Shreds said:

I was totally dissapointed by Beyonce's "Listen" segment. In fact, all I could think about was Diana Ross' similar staged "Be A Lion" from The Wiz. And Diana sold that song...she cried, she busted a vain in her neck...While Beyonce just kinda sang the song. It was all just surface.

Which was the same problem I had with Madonna in Evita...the theatrics are there but I never believed she was "feeling" the moment.

unlike Hudson who when turning around to walk away thrusts her arm to the side an screams, "and you...and you...and you". WOW!!! that i felt...and it was subtle. it was a quick moment...it was totally different then anyone Holiday did (which was all big emotions and theatrics because...uhh, she was on the stage) but Hudson made me feel what she was going through...thats what acting is all about...

anyhoo, am i rambling?

Praying for a "Dreamgirls vs. The Wiz" thread

ufoclub said:

marketing is never added to the budget figures...its an accounting trick...just ask peter jackson.

sosgemini said:

After video, I'm sure it made a profit. Whatever...Beyonce is great!

CinisterCee said:

That would cause a panic and people may become trampled and killed. I couldn't choose between these two anyway. I can't stand Beyonce or Diana Ross. The only reason I went to see "Dreamgirls" and bought "The Wiz" is because of the amazing songs and the supporting actors/actresses. Everytime I see Beyonce in an interview talking about how she was meant to play Deena because the character is similar to Diana Ross, I want to slap her. Everytime I watch "The Wiz", I have to turn it off at the part where Diana Ross sings "Home" and then get the broadway soundtrack with Stephanie Mills and play that version. Stephanie sings it soo much better.