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Reply #30 posted 01/10/07 3:28pm

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In the process, I also would get great enjoyment in watching today's artists return to the gutter that they returned to. It would also give me great pleasure to see the shit hop fans going to the used record stores, searching the internet, asking friends, buying new CDs at random (only to be disappointed) and doing whatever they could to desperately find new shit hop. In other words, have the same thing done to them that is being done to us now.


Misery don't love company in this case. Fans of classical, swing, traditional pop, bebop, blues, R&B, rock, soul, disco, funk and alternative have suffered the same fates. Point is, it happens to everyone.

As a matter of fact, hip-hop heads go through the same thing NOW.

As I see it, there are roughly three or four generations of hip-hop heads -- 1) original school (when hip-hop was confined to indie labels and singles; 2) old school (Run-DMC, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, et al.); 3) the revolutionary school (era of Nation of Millions/3 Feet High/Straight Outta Compton et al.) and 4) the new school (post Biggie and Tupac). I fit probably between no. 2 and 3. Try to find a Ultramagnetic MCs or K.M.D. record under those circumstances.
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Reply #31 posted 01/10/07 3:36pm

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namepeace said:

Misery don't love company in this case. Fans of classical, swing, traditional pop, bebop, blues, R&B, rock, soul, disco, funk and alternative have suffered the same fates. Point is, it happens to everyone.


Yeah, and when disco died, I had funk to turn to. When funk died, I had house to turn to. Styles were changing every few years but there was always something to turn to. There's nothing to turn to these days. The shit has been the same for 15 years. Yeah, maybe different changes in shit hop, but hell, a completely NEW style needs to come along. That shit has more than been played out.
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Reply #32 posted 01/10/07 3:36pm

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Part of it is that we're getting old and we like the music of our generation, but part of it is that music is not that great right now.

I didn't like the 80's very much either (I was a teen in the 80's), but I like the early 90's. That says a lot to me.

I don't really see any strong trends in music right now, except some electronic music--which isn't really heard outside clubs.

There are some exceptions--bands doing decent music--but I don't see any worthy movements.
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Reply #33 posted 01/10/07 3:41pm

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NDRU said:

I don't really see any strong trends in music right now, except some electronic music--which isn't really heard outside clubs.


Some of that sounds pretty good in certain sections of the songs but the songs don't really feel like "songs". Most of them don't really have lyrics and the beat never changes in the song. It's a good sounding beat but the record sounds the same all the way through no matter where you place the needle....which gets boring after awhile.
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Reply #34 posted 01/10/07 3:51pm

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vainandy said:

NDRU said:

I don't really see any strong trends in music right now, except some electronic music--which isn't really heard outside clubs.


Some of that sounds pretty good in certain sections of the songs but the songs don't really feel like "songs". Most of them don't really have lyrics and the beat never changes in the song. It's a good sounding beat but the record sounds the same all the way through no matter where you place the needle....which gets boring after awhile.


Right, it's no substitute for song-based music. I want to hear great songs, too, and real instruments.

But it's at least a movement, and it's creative at it's best.

Actually I think it's best live, where the dj's can really work the crowd into a frenzy (and not just because of the extacy!) and introduce new ideas that gradually change a song into something totally new.
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Reply #35 posted 01/10/07 3:53pm

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VoicesCarry said:

The solution is simply to decentralize radio and allow DJ's to play what people request and actually want to hear and to allow multi-format radio to emerge again.


Bingo!!!!
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Reply #36 posted 01/10/07 3:54pm

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I hope you all support your regional college radio.
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Reply #37 posted 01/10/07 3:55pm

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NDRU said:

vainandy said:



Some of that sounds pretty good in certain sections of the songs but the songs don't really feel like "songs". Most of them don't really have lyrics and the beat never changes in the song. It's a good sounding beat but the record sounds the same all the way through no matter where you place the needle....which gets boring after awhile.


Right, it's no substitute for song-based music. I want to hear great songs, too, and real instruments.

But it's at least a movement, and it's creative at it's best.

Actually I think it's best live, where the dj's can really work the crowd into a frenzy (and not just because of the extacy!) and introduce new ideas that gradually change a song into something totally new.


I've heard the DJs mixing it in clubs. The songs are probably around 6 or 7 minutes long but I'm thinking they should have mixed in another song after about a minute or minute and a half because the song never changed up. It sounded good but it never changed. A DJ would have to work his ass off mixing to be entertaining with this kind of music. lol
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Reply #38 posted 01/10/07 3:58pm

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CinisterCee said:

I hope you all support your regional college radio.

I do nod
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Reply #39 posted 01/10/07 4:06pm

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SoulAlive said:



blah,blah,blah bored

Most of today's music IS shit....boring,uninspired,disposable bullshit that kids go out and buy,then quickly forget about and move on to the "next big thing".But don't take my word for it,just look at the sales figures.Look at the mess that the music business is in right now.Explain that.


Yesterday's music was shit too IMO. You can't compare the sales figures to those of the past and sales do not equal quality. The music business is in trouble due to the internet.


And who's REALLY at fault for that?
ANSWER: The Recording Industry Association Of America!

Why? Because ALL of the now remaining 4 major record labels waited about 12+ years too damn late to take full advantage of how advancing computer technology can help delivery music to music fans in a better and more affordable format like mp3s than CDs, DVD audio, or SACD audio.

BTW Chuck D & David Bowie try their best to warn the RIAA about this idea, but the suits did listen. So f*** the RIAA!
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Reply #40 posted 01/10/07 4:11pm

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VoicesCarry said:

The solution is simply to decentralize radio and allow DJ's to play what people request and actually want to hear and to allow multi-format radio to emerge again.

nod

I WOULD ALSO LIMIT ARTIST TO 8 - 10 SONGS PER ALBUM. THAT WOULD CUT DOWN THOSE CRAPPY FILLER SONGS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT AFTER THE 10TH OR 11TH SONG I'M LOSING INTEREST.

THAT'S MY twocents
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Reply #41 posted 01/10/07 4:19pm

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namepeace said:

vainandy said:


In the process, I also would get great enjoyment in watching today's artists return to the gutter that they returned to. It would also give me great pleasure to see the shit hop fans going to the used record stores, searching the internet, asking friends, buying new CDs at random (only to be disappointed) and doing whatever they could to desperately find new shit hop. In other words, have the same thing done to them that is being done to us now.


Misery don't love company in this case. Fans of classical, swing, traditional pop, bebop, blues, R&B, rock, soul, disco, funk and alternative have suffered the same fates. Point is, it happens to everyone.

As a matter of fact, hip-hop heads go through the same thing NOW.

As I see it, there are roughly three or four generations of hip-hop heads -- 1) original school (when hip-hop was confined to indie labels and singles; 2) old school (Run-DMC, Beastie Boys, LL Cool J, et al.); 3) the revolutionary school (era of Nation of Millions/3 Feet High/Straight Outta Compton et al.) and 4) the new school (post Biggie and Tupac). I fit probably between no. 2 and 3. Try to find a Ultramagnetic MCs or K.M.D. record under those circumstances.
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Good point. But you left out 2 more generations:

5. The Bling-Bling School: fans that grew up on Master P/No Limit Soliders, Cash Money Records, Jay-Z, Sean "Puff Daddy" Combs/Ma$e, Lil'Kim, and anyone else that was promoting "materialistic rap".

6. The Dirty South School: Atlanta's/Mississippi's Crunk, Houston's chopped & screw, New Orleans' Bounce, and any hip-hop track slower than 95 BPM or less.
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Reply #42 posted 01/10/07 4:20pm

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debbiedean2 said:

VoicesCarry said:

The solution is simply to decentralize radio and allow DJ's to play what people request and actually want to hear and to allow multi-format radio to emerge again.

nod

I WOULD ALSO LIMIT ARTIST TO 8 - 10 SONGS PER ALBUM. THAT WOULD CUT DOWN THOSE CRAPPY FILLER SONGS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT AFTER THE 10TH OR 11TH SONG I'M LOSING INTEREST.

THAT'S MY twocents



.....and let bring back the single released while we're at it!

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Reply #43 posted 01/10/07 4:21pm

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TonyVanDam said:

debbiedean2 said:


nod

I WOULD ALSO LIMIT ARTIST TO 8 - 10 SONGS PER ALBUM. THAT WOULD CUT DOWN THOSE CRAPPY FILLER SONGS, I DON'T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT AFTER THE 10TH OR 11TH SONG I'M LOSING INTEREST.

THAT'S MY twocents



.....and let bring back the single released while we're at it!

biggrin biggrin


And B-Sides! woot!
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Reply #44 posted 01/10/07 4:25pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

TonyVanDam said:




.....and let bring back the single released while we're at it!

biggrin biggrin


And B-Sides! woot!


good point. Let's have albums be comprised of good material, and the hardcore fans can get a little extra from b-sides
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Reply #45 posted 01/10/07 4:31pm

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NDRU said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



And B-Sides! woot!


good point. Let's have albums be comprised of good material, and the hardcore fans can get a little extra from b-sides


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Reply #46 posted 01/10/07 5:11pm

VoicesCarry

CinisterCee said:

I hope you all support your regional college radio.


All they play is depresso shit lol
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Reply #47 posted 01/10/07 5:24pm

CinisterCee

VoicesCarry said:

CinisterCee said:

I hope you all support your regional college radio.


All they play is depresso shit lol


mmmmm I'll have some depresso to go with my espresso drool
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Reply #48 posted 01/10/07 5:34pm

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another thing when was the last time a HUGE star came along in music that could single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders like say Michael Jackson or Madonna or (god forbid) Nirvana smile its been a looooong time...a diamond certified album may become extinct smile
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Reply #49 posted 01/10/07 5:37pm

CinisterCee

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another thing when was the last time a HUGE star came along in music that could single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders like say Michael Jackson or Madonna or (god forbid) Nirvana smile its been a looooong time...a diamond certified album may become extinct smile


Shania Twain?
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Reply #50 posted 01/10/07 5:43pm

VoicesCarry

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another thing when was the last time a HUGE star came along in music that could single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders like say Michael Jackson or Madonna or (god forbid) Nirvana smile its been a looooong time...a diamond certified album may become extinct smile


Yeah, God forbid Nirvana, that's the depresso shit they play 24/7 on my college radio station. lol
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Reply #51 posted 01/10/07 6:02pm

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CinisterCee said:

Mazerati said:

another thing when was the last time a HUGE star came along in music that could single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders like say Michael Jackson or Madonna or (god forbid) Nirvana smile its been a looooong time...a diamond certified album may become extinct smile


Shania Twain?


2pac? Mariah?
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Reply #52 posted 01/10/07 6:04pm

VoicesCarry

TonyVanDam said:

CinisterCee said:



Shania Twain?


2pac? Mariah?
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Shania is the most recent diamond cert.
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Reply #53 posted 01/10/07 6:06pm

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VoicesCarry said:

TonyVanDam said:



2pac? Mariah?
[Edited 1/10/07 18:03pm]


Shania is the most recent diamond cert.


Correct. But I was think about a few artists that "single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders".
hmmm
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Reply #54 posted 01/10/07 6:08pm

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TonyVanDam said:

VoicesCarry said:



Shania is the most recent diamond cert.


Correct. But I was think about a few artists that "single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders".
hmmm


No one does. With Mariah it's a crapshoot. 2pac has really lost his luster (finally) after that generation moved on.

Name one real, long-lasting star the industry has generated since 2000.
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Reply #55 posted 01/10/07 6:58pm

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VoicesCarry said:

TonyVanDam said:



Correct. But I was think about a few artists that "single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders".
hmmm


No one does. With Mariah it's a crapshoot. 2pac has really lost his luster (finally) after that generation moved on.

Name one real, long-lasting star the industry has generated since 2000.
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I feel bad about 2000's music because there is no real long-lasting superstar.

Eminem? No
Britney? No
Christina? Maybe, if she didn't create too many enemies!lol
Pink? Maybe, if her creative would've generate more hits.
Justin Timberlake? No
Ciara? No
Usher? Yes, except that he started in mid-90's.

Sorry if I'm not helping!!!
disbelief lol
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Reply #56 posted 01/10/07 7:00pm

VoicesCarry

TonyVanDam said:

VoicesCarry said:



No one does. With Mariah it's a crapshoot. 2pac has really lost his luster (finally) after that generation moved on.

Name one real, long-lasting star the industry has generated since 2000.
[Edited 1/10/07 18:10pm]


I feel bad about 2000's music because there is no real long-lasting superstar.

Eminem? No
Britney? No
Christina? Maybe, if she didn't create too many enemies!lol
Pink? Maybe, if her creative would've generate more hits.
Justin Timberlake? No
Ciara? No
Usher? Yes, except that he started in mid-90's.

Sorry if I'm not helping!!!
disbelief lol


Christina may be, but she was around in '99. Likewise JT was with Nsync in late 90's.
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Reply #57 posted 01/10/07 8:14pm

namepeace

TonyVanDam said:



Good point. But you left out 2 more generations:

5. The Bling-Bling School: fans that grew up on Master P/No Limit Soliders, Cash Money Records, Jay-Z, Sean "Puff Daddy" Combs/Ma$e, Lil'Kim, and anyone else that was promoting "materialistic rap".

6. The Dirty South School: Atlanta's/Mississippi's Crunk, Houston's chopped & screw, New Orleans' Bounce, and any hip-hop track slower than 95 BPM or less.


I lumped them in with the 4th generation but that's too broad . . . you're right, there were shifts in rap music that spawned these generations in the late 90's and through the 00's.
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Reply #58 posted 01/10/07 8:44pm

CinisterCee

I would let vainandy program all radio.

vainandy said:

It's the radio that I would go after. I would do the same thing that Clear Channel and some of these other corporations are doing. I would buy up as many stations as I could except I would play no new music on any of them. I would pull all the old funk records I could and that would be the entire playlist on all the stations with no alternatives of any other kind of music for people to choose from. I would continue this format for years until a new generation grows up knowing funk and only funk. Then, the new generation would start making new funk and that's when I would start playing new music again.

In the process, I also would get great enjoyment in watching today's artists return to the gutter that they returned to. It would also give me great pleasure to see the shit hop fans going to the used record stores, searching the internet, asking friends, buying new CDs at random (only to be disappointed) and doing whatever they could to desperately find new shit hop. In other words, have the same thing done to them that is being done to us now.
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Reply #59 posted 01/11/07 1:09pm

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VoicesCarry said:

TonyVanDam said:



Correct. But I was think about a few artists that "single handedly carry the industry on thier shoulders".
hmmm


No one does. With Mariah it's a crapshoot. 2pac has really lost his luster (finally) after that generation moved on.

Name one real, long-lasting star the industry has generated since 2000.
[Edited 1/10/07 18:10pm]


The closest thing I can think of would be Coldplay, though I think their first record came out in '99.

The problem is, the industry won't LET there be any career artists. All the artists who have the potential to be just that are shut down and given shit budgets. Look at Van Hunt. The man's super talented, but he had to stop his tour because his budget ran out. Would that happen to Justin? Probably not. Artists like U2 and Springsteen put out 2 or 3 albums before they achieved their creative stride and hit it big, but now, a band or artist basically has to be a sure bet to even get the time of day because the labels have their money tied up in payola, executive salaries and expense accounts, and overpromoting junk that only sells to 12 year olds.
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