VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: I agree but there again its all on the label on that point. The artist really has no control, especially at her stage, the label hires the producers,the songwriters,the promo people, everything is so calculated so it comes through as nothing more than boredom, and u really never know if someone actually has some talent or what they have to offer. Now with Mellencamp and Norah, there is no calculation going on, no producer, they are all creating their own vision, whether it sells or not, isnt really their problem, because creativity is their strongpoint. Norah did something and a lot of yuppies bought it and she has now proceeded to follow the same formula for 3 albums. Milk it for all it's worth, baby. Have to disagree there, Norah was part of a whole movement in the clubs of NYC and she was the one to catch on, but Norah has gone back to that "club" life again which wont sit will with the label im sure,. The best move she did was the "Little Willies" project and playing shows again but not billing her name. Ive seen Norah 15 times, and i dont find her having a formula, her work with Peter Malick, Wax Poetic,Charlie Hunter,Dirty Dozen Brass Band,Alison kRauss,Ryan Adams and others are all different its just radio and tv doesnt play that stuff because labels often dont like "change". "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: Norah did something and a lot of yuppies bought it and she has now proceeded to follow the same formula for 3 albums. Milk it for all it's worth, baby. Have to disagree there, Norah was part of a whole movement in the clubs of NYC and she was the one to catch on, but Norah has gone back to that "club" life again which wont sit will with the label im sure,. The best move she did was the "Little Willies" project and playing shows again but not billing her name. Ive seen Norah 15 times, and i dont find her having a formula, her work with Peter Malick, Wax Poetic,Charlie Hunter,Dirty Dozen Brass Band,Alison kRauss,Ryan Adams and others are all different its just radio and tv doesnt play that stuff because labels often dont like "change". No one cares if she puts on a pink wig and indulges in that stuff in some club somewhere. It's not the product she's putting up - that defines her artistic output. To me she's always the same. It's the same boring just repackaged with a slightly different twang every time. She really is completely uninteresting in my books. Her voice is nothing special, her songs don't interest me. [Edited 1/10/07 18:35pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: Have to disagree there, Norah was part of a whole movement in the clubs of NYC and she was the one to catch on, but Norah has gone back to that "club" life again which wont sit will with the label im sure,. The best move she did was the "Little Willies" project and playing shows again but not billing her name. Ive seen Norah 15 times, and i dont find her having a formula, her work with Peter Malick, Wax Poetic,Charlie Hunter,Dirty Dozen Brass Band,Alison kRauss,Ryan Adams and others are all different its just radio and tv doesnt play that stuff because labels often dont like "change". No one cares if she puts on a pink wig and indulges in that stuff in some club somewhere. It's not the product she's putting up - that defines her artistic output. Ok but all of her work with Peter Malick,Ryan Adams,Wax Poetic,the Little Willies,CHarlie Hunter etc is all out there and available in stores , whether thats what Vh1 jumps on or Blue note chooses to push is not her problem. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: No one cares if she puts on a pink wig and indulges in that stuff in some club somewhere. It's not the product she's putting up - that defines her artistic output. Ok but all of her work with Peter Malick,Ryan Adams,Wax Poetic,the Little Willies,CHarlie Hunter etc is all out there and available in stores , whether thats what Vh1 jumps on or Blue note chooses to push is not her problem. Technically she doesn't have a problem, since girlfriend will sell a million copies the first two weeks easy. She doesn't have a problem so she plays it safe. | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: Ok but all of her work with Peter Malick,Ryan Adams,Wax Poetic,the Little Willies,CHarlie Hunter etc is all out there and available in stores , whether thats what Vh1 jumps on or Blue note chooses to push is not her problem. Technically she doesn't have a problem, since girlfriend will sell a million copies the first two weeks easy. She doesn't have a problem so she plays it safe. I dont think she is playing it safe, i think labels, radio and video are the ones playing it safe. On the last Album Norah had a song with Dolly Parton, which is far from playing it safe, how come the label didnt release it as a single, how come radio didnt play it? "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Mazerati said: lastdecember said: Well there are actually 2 Good MUSIC releases this month and that would be John Mellencamp on the 23rd and Norah Jones on the 30th, though i doubt either will move alot of units, i just want solid albums from artists, im tired of all this nonsense with artists coming out. One new Artist Im actually interested in seeing is this Katharine Mcphee, probably the first AI person with good singing ability and that has written songs for her album, i was further impressed that her label bumped "PRoduced" tracks by Timbaland and Ryan Leslie, in favor of songs she actually wrote, maybe there is a little bit of hope. seeing how low the sales are this week i think u can expect a pretty high debut for the new Mellencamp cd,,fans of his are probably more likey to buy the actual cd... then again i thought this would work for the new Carly Simon album and it didnt Well im not sure about that, though his fans will buy the cd, good luck finding it. Mellencamp is now on HIP-O records, he walked away from SONY (thank god) after 5 years, but the problem now is that there arent many outlets for Retail Cd's especially now with all of them gone, Best Buy and Target are not exactly music retailers or up to date on "indie Music" "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: On the last Album Norah had a song with Dolly Parton, which is far from playing it safe
I'm sorry, I don't see the logic? This is not exactly new musical ground or direction for her. Nothing about Dolly Parton is risky. how come the label didnt release it as a single, how come radio didnt play it?
Norah is not a single or radio artist, so this is immaterial. It's not as if she actually has hits (she has only charted once on the Hot 100). She is an albums-only artist. [Edited 1/10/07 19:09pm] | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: On the last Album Norah had a song with Dolly Parton, which is far from playing it safe
I'm sorry, I don't see the logic? This is not exactly new musical ground or direction for her. Nothing about Dolly Parton is risky. how come the label didnt release it as a single, how come radio didnt play it?
Norah is not a single or radio artist, so this is immaterial. It's not as if she actually has hits (she has only charted once on the Hot 100). She is an albums-only artist. [Edited 1/10/07 19:09pm] Well actually it was a change, since the first album was this low-key jazz and the second album leaned more towards Blue Grass, her work with Peter Malick is the most upbeat stuff she has done and with Ryan Adams leaned more to the alt/rock/blues field. So what would be risky for her a duet with Akon or Ne-yo, that to me would be "playing it safe" like a Gwen Stefani would do. True Norah isnt a singles artist but really who is anymore, singles dont exist unless you go overseas, so technically no one is a singles artist in this country. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Well actually it was a change, since the first album was this low-key jazz and the second album leaned more towards Blue Grass, her work with Peter Malick is the most upbeat stuff she has done and with Ryan Adams leaned more to the alt/rock/blues field. So what would be risky for her a duet with Akon or Ne-yo, that to me would be "playing it safe" like a Gwen Stefani would do.
I'm not saying Norah is untalented, but that she bores the fuck out of me. Which is the problem with today's music - talented people make boring music. No matter what she does, jazz, bluegrass or whatever it's all the same to me. True Norah isnt a singles artist but really who is anymore, singles dont exist unless you go overseas, so technically no one is a singles artist in this country.
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: Well actually it was a change, since the first album was this low-key jazz and the second album leaned more towards Blue Grass, her work with Peter Malick is the most upbeat stuff she has done and with Ryan Adams leaned more to the alt/rock/blues field. So what would be risky for her a duet with Akon or Ne-yo, that to me would be "playing it safe" like a Gwen Stefani would do.
I'm not saying Norah is untalented, but that she bores the fuck out of me. Which is the problem with today's music - talented people make boring music. No matter what she does, jazz, bluegrass or whatever it's all the same to me. True Norah isnt a singles artist but really who is anymore, singles dont exist unless you go overseas, so technically no one is a singles artist in this country.
This doesn't make sense to me. There is still radio play and digital downloads. Well everyone has their own opinion on Norah, to me she was a breath of fresh air from the shit out there, however i wouldnt exactly say that todays music is made BY TALENTED people? Seriously where is this talent? i can name about 10 from this decade "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: VoicesCarry said: This doesn't make sense to me. There is still radio play and digital downloads. Well everyone has their own opinion on Norah, to me she was a breath of fresh air from the shit out there, however i wouldnt exactly say that todays music is made BY TALENTED people? Seriously where is this talent? i can name about 10 from this decade Come on. I wasn't talking about the shit on the radio. You know that. I bitch about the state of music and people tell me to go listen to Snorah, Sarah McLachlan etc. Sure, they have talent - but they're boring! | |
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VoicesCarry said: lastdecember said: Well everyone has their own opinion on Norah, to me she was a breath of fresh air from the shit out there, however i wouldnt exactly say that todays music is made BY TALENTED people? Seriously where is this talent? i can name about 10 from this decade Come on. I wasn't talking about the shit on the radio. You know that. I bitch about the state of music and people tell me to go listen to Snorah, Sarah McLachlan etc. Sure, they have talent - but they're boring! Very true. Every time I bitch about these motherfuckers these days, someone recommends some artist, I check them out, and they are boring as hell! It's usually someone folk sounding sitting around playing an accoustical guitar sounding like they are getting ready to sing "Kumbaya". Hell, bring on the funk! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Very true. Every time I bitch about these motherfuckers these days, someone recommends some artist, I check them out, and they are boring as hell! It's usually someone folk sounding sitting around playing an accoustical guitar sounding like they are getting ready to sing "Kumbaya". Hell, bring on the funk! | |
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VoicesCarry said: vainandy said: Very true. Every time I bitch about these motherfuckers these days, someone recommends some artist, I check them out, and they are boring as hell! It's usually someone folk sounding sitting around playing an accoustical guitar sounding like they are getting ready to sing "Kumbaya". Hell, bring on the funk! Michael rowed the boat ashore. Hallelujah.....OOOOOh Lord (sounding like a dying cow), Kumbaya..... Andy is a four letter word. | |
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VoicesCarry said: vainandy said: Very true. Every time I bitch about these motherfuckers these days, someone recommends some artist, I check them out, and they are boring as hell! It's usually someone folk sounding sitting around playing an accoustical guitar sounding like they are getting ready to sing "Kumbaya". Hell, bring on the funk! Well i know what you mean, i told someone i was starving for something "Ryan Adams like" and they recommended the new John Mayer, are you kidding me? John Mayer in the same breath as Ryan Adams. As for things being "boring" well that can be said of anyone, I recommended the first Van Hunt to someone and they told me it was shit and they said he had "No hooks", i told someone else and they thought Van Hunt was the best thing to come from RB in a decade. So its all meaningless, to bitch about artists that have talent isnt the issue, its the ones that have NONE and shouldnt have a deal that get the push thats the issue. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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its looking like the next week the #1 album might not even sell 50k
thats my own estimation not and official projection [Edited 1/11/07 14:43pm] | |
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asg said: its looking like the next week the #1 album might not even sell 50k
thats my own estimation not and official projection [Edited 1/11/07 14:43pm] If that were to happen then things are REALLY bad. I myself haven't bought an album in the last month and only see myself buying one until the spring. | |
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asg said: its looking like the next week the #1 album might not even sell 50k
thats my own estimation not and official projection [Edited 1/11/07 14:43pm] Honestly my fingers are crossed that does happen. I really want it to continue happening with releases that labels Promote and Hype to death, sooner or later they will change their ways or just go broke. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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asg said: its looking like the next week the #1 album might not even sell 50k
do sommin' Janet | |
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asg said: its looking like the next week the #1 album might not even sell 50k,thats my own estimation not and official projection
could this mean that people are finally waking up? Maybe people are gonna stop buying crappy CDs altogether There needs to be a revolution in the music business,where people finally say "enough is enough" | |
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lastdecember said: asg said: its looking like the next week the #1 album might not even sell 50k
thats my own estimation not and official projection [Edited 1/11/07 14:43pm] Honestly my fingers are crossed that does happen. I really want it to continue happening with releases that labels Promote and Hype to death, sooner or later they will change their ways or just go broke. Lets only hope. | |
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its likely there gonna be 3 weeks below 50k the way things r goin | |
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lastdecember said: asg said: its looking like the next week the #1 album might not even sell 50k
thats my own estimation not and official projection [Edited 1/11/07 14:43pm] Honestly my fingers are crossed that does happen. I really want it to continue happening with releases that labels Promote and Hype to death, sooner or later they will change their ways or just go broke. Exactly!!!!! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Very true. Every time I bitch about these motherfuckers these days, someone recommends some artist, I check them out, and they are boring as hell! It's usually someone folk sounding sitting around playing an accoustical guitar sounding like they are getting ready to sing "Kumbaya". Hell, bring on the funk! BTW, they play that kind of music a lot here: | |
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