SoulAlive said:

I heard one of her secretaries or someone once say that Madonna must have been a monk in a former life she was so disciplined. I find this interesting and inspiring. I know people think of her as a self-obsessed workaholic, but when you look at her as someone fully living their dream, living the life they love, then I think it's very profound. She is one of few examples of healthy success and I think we can learn a lot from that. It also explains her energy and lasting power.

SoulAlive said:

Well there you go, his hypocritical nature is no secret. Anything to have credibility on these boards I suppose. Not like it means anything.

jayaredee said:

Absolutely true.

And then I realized what a piece of shit it was and came out and said so. Same with Weekend. Nope, I cannot support this project although I do like select tracks like Enjoy.



Maybe you are thinking of Enjoy, which I have always loved, but I have NEVER listened to Do It 2 Me, which is a terrible track. It's sosgemeni that likes that song.



I have more important things to worry about than "credibility" on a message board. You as much as anyone should know this.
[Edited 1/12/07 17:46pm]

Oh quit it VC. Stop trying to cover your ASS. We've been through this before and now it's time for you to throw in the towel. I don't know who you are anymore.

jayaredee said:

Wow, all this because I said I hoped she didn't reuinite with Stuart on this thread.

SoulAlive said:

LAMB is a record I liked at the beginning. Then after a few listens it got old fast. I jumped on the Gwen hate bandwagon when Hollaback Girl turned into a huge awful hit and then everything she did after was a version of that. Her new album is terrible, and I hope to God Madonna does not go there with Pharrel.

How in the world I could have started a thread comparing LAMB with Confessions when Confessions was over a YEAR from release at that point??? LMAO!

Yes well you've dug you own grave. Now I won't be fooled by your behavior anymore while the other members get sucked into your trap. I wish you would just be honest and open a thread proclaiming your love for 20 Y.O. If you don't then i'll open it for you

jayaredee said:

Yeah, you go ahead and do that if it makes you feel better

Oh why don't you go create another Janet ass collage or something. Here is a pic to add to your ridiculous collection

jayaredee said:

Yeah, it's a terrible pic. All her pics this era have been terrible.

Oh don't pretend you're not to that pic as we speak.

jayaredee said:

She's very stupid. She thinks we still want to see her tits. I've seen them a million times. I thought she would at least be smart enough to put some clothes on but apparently not.

VoicesCarry said:

It's pressure to stay popular. Madonna's doing it too by working with Pharrel Say what you will about Stuart but I'd rather him produce the follow up to Confessions than Pharrel.

jayaredee said:

Yes, I absolutely agree on that.

My problem with Stuart is I didn't like the production on Confessions (okay I'm sure everyone is going to burn me at the stake now). The songs were really same-y production-wise, which was something Madonna really hadn't done before. Normally when you buy a Madonna record there will be eclectic production, which I always appreciated about her. Even on American Life you have the acoustic songs and then the electroclash stuff.

But the most disappointing thing to me was she let him do practically all the mixes for this project while turning down fabulous mixes from others. He dominated the mixes way too much and I would prefer that not happen a second time.

Geez, what's with all the accusations and calling out?

Peoples' opinions about songs, albums and artists change. That's no secret. It doesn't make someone a hypocrite.

Sure VoicesCarry is opinionated, but he also knows a lot of music.

And we're all owned by one pop bitch or another. His happens to be Janet. He'll defend her like I'd defend Bjork or Tori.

Let's play nice people.

GangstaFam said:

I'd much rather be a bitch thank you very much. I don't think VC is really bothered by my remarks anyway.

jayaredee said:

Okay. Bitch away!

GangstaFam said:

I just don't get when someone claims they're a fan and then tears down said performer with a constant rain of disrespectful, haranguing statements. It's disconcerting to me and reeks of hypocrisy. But that's his style...it's not my style...but it's VC's style of discussing and processing artists' work.

heartbeatocean said:

This is bullshit. To say you disliked the production and hoped she didn't work with Stuart again is maybe disrespectful and haranguing to you, David and other fanatics, but not in the real world.

Let's count my cumulative "disrespectful and harnaguing" statements on this thread:







Better call the Madonna police!
[Edited 1/13/07 11:57am]

heartbeatocean said:

i love janet and madonna, both, but when they make bad music or say stupid things or act in ridiculous ways, i tear them up on it too. its healthy. if we didn't, we'd be like half the people in the "prince: music and more" forum.

VoicesCarry said:

I wasn't talking about this thread in which you have been quite civilized, but maybe your general biting tone that comes out sometimes. You have made offensive statements in the past. But I forgive you.

sallysassalot said:

yeah, you do do that. I don't know if I'd call it healthy though.

heartbeatocean said:

What biting, "offensive" things have I said about Madonna? That she's a whore? That she's an old and busted cunt with no talent? NO. That's lazycrockett. What I have said about Madonna is that I don't like some of her music. Apparently this is heresy.

David is just pissed that I used to be a major fam and defended Madonna against everything alongside him. Then I got over her, and he likes to bitch about it. The truly crazy fans really do discourage casual fans in that manner.
[Edited 1/13/07 12:05pm]

VoicesCarry said:

I'll just let sleeping dogs die.

heartbeatocean said:

If you have nothing to support your claims, you should. Maybe you, David and jay should focus on beating up haters like lazycrockett instead of attacking casual fans who think she's not all that all of the time.

VoicesCarry said:

relax I can only beat up on lazycrockett if everyone else joins in.

VoicesCarry said:

And you've also posted bad pictures of her when someone called Janet ugly. I'm sorry but i'm with heartbeatocean on this one. I've known you long enough to know what you're about.

heartbeatocean said:

I don't care about lazycrockett. At least his views are consistent enough so I know what to expect of him.

VoicesCarry said:

David's a nice guy. Leave him alone already. You've had your fun with him in the past.

I think it's possible to be a sincere fan without being a deluded fan. Basically, from an artist's view, I know how extremely hard it is to produce compelling work for a scrutinizing, critical world. The plight of the artist shouldn't be underestimated, in my opinion, because they are in a very vulnerable position, and their output is ultimately an act of generosity (even if they're rolling in the dough). Those who manage to do it, I have the utmost respect for, and don't really feel the desire to pick them apart. Madonna goes way beyond the typical artist though, in that she throws herself into the cultural machine and lets it deconstruct around her. That's brave and I give her credit.