Joe Pasquale "prey"




- fuck u haters LOL. David Foster was at the top of his game on this album.

- I find this album a bit like "pretty hate machine". Its quite dark in places ("mr jones" "world lullabye"). Worth picking up if you like "Pretty hate machine", despite the poppy singles, which still sound fantastic.



Planet 3- A heart from the big machine. Jap version of an obscure AOR band. Clif Magness, Jay Graydon and Glen Ballard made up the group. Can't really go wrong with those 3 members. Incredible album




Yes- "Union"

Jonathan Elias (Duran Duran producer I think?) produced this. Yes fans hate this album. Its a complicated album of 2 halves. I love most of it though. "Miricle of life" blows me away everytime.

Bee Gee's "size isnt everything"

Like Yes, every album I have heard of the Bee Gee's are second to none production wise, but this album is just a cut above production wise to the other couple of Bee Gee's album I own. "Above and beyond" and "anything for you" are incredible for example.

Talking Heads - Remain in Light


U2 - Achtung Baby


Hole - Celebrity Skin


Smashing Pumpkins - Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness


Nine Inch Nails - The Downward Spiral

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I've been hearing "pretty hate machine" again recently. I got it when i was around 15/16 years old, but sort of grew out of that sort of music. Iam into that album again though, about 6 years later. How is "The downward spiral"? Is it as synthy and drum programmed as "Pretty hate machine", or is it more organic sounding?
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thesexofit said:

Pretty Hate Machine sounds like a middle period Depeche Mode album; maybe a little harder. Downward Spiral is much more abrasive and metallic. It uses just as many synths, but the guitar is much more prominent on the album.

If you like PHM, I'd pick up 'Violator' or 'Music for the Masses' by Depeche. They're both produced by Flood (like PHM), but the songwriting and singing is much stronger. And this is coming from a NIN fan.

Axchi696 said:

I may check it out. I've never owned any depeche mode, and find their songs like "just cant get enough" repetitive and boring, but I may check out their late 80's stuff though, thanx.

As I mentioned above, you should really try Jane Childs 2 albums (the one listed above and "Here not there"). Both have their pop moments, but some of it is very epic and quite dark.

Axchi696 said:

I really didn't like the production on Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness. It watered down the pumpkins sound somewhat. I much prefered the big wall of sound on Siamese Dream!

thesexofit said:

Depeche Mode changed a lot after "Just Can't Get Enough".

They're barely recognizable as the same band once you get to "Black Celebration" and the albums mentioned. Give 'em a try.

thesexofit said:

"Just Can't Get Enough" is about 1000 miles away from what Depeche Mode became. It's like listening to two seperate bands.



Only song I know by Jane Child is 'Don't Wanna Fall In Love', and it's pop perfection.

GangstaFam said:

Sounds like a few bands I like, who have changed drastically over the years (Yes, ELP, Chicago)

Axchi696 said:

Check out her albums. Unfortunately, all the singles from the 2 albums are the poppiest cuts. "Here not there" has some big grundgy sounding tracks for example, aswell as the synthy stuff. I like her track "DS 21", which is about her car LOL. Underated artit.

Axchi696 said:

Although I LOVES me some "Speak & Spell". Got the reissue for Christmas.

GangstaFam said:

Am ashamed to say that I don't own 'Speak and Spell', 'A Broken Frame' or 'Construction Time Again'. And I not only consider myself a Depeche Mode fan, but rank them up there with my favorite bands ever. I've just heard that their first couple of albums were so patchy that the Singles collection tided me over until 'Some Great Reward'.

Axchi696 said:

"A Broken Frame" is EXTREMELY patchy. "Construction" is a bit better.

But "Speak & Spell" is thoroughly enjoyable all the way through.

It just took them a couple albums to find their footing again when Vince Clarke left after this album.

Alot better then the few 80's albums he did (which are very 80's in sound). Its a wonderful collection of songs. Of course, they are sentimental, but are so well produced with strong backing musicians (Loggins always gets top session men), that you can forgive the cliche lyrics.



I was surprised that a classic albums doc was made about this album. I know how rock critics despise them, but like the doc said, the album is like the "Thriller" of rock albums. Every song could of been a single, and its metaculously produced in every way possible. Stories of "Mutt" lange working on this album with the boys for a lifetime, going way over budget etc....it paid off LOL. It shows that alot of time and work was put into this album, even if it is the complete opposite of raw in sound.

thesexofit said:

You might also want to check out Ministry's "In Case You Didn't Feel Like Showing Up" album.

Well in my opinion next to George Martin, the closest person is Arif Mardin.

Come away with me-Norah Jones Produced by Arif Mardin
Abandoned Luncheonette -Hall and Oates by Arif Mardin


From late 2005 a-ha's "analogue" produced by Martin Terfere
From 1994 John Mellencamp's "Human Wheels" produced by John Mellencamp, David Leonard

From the 70's Phil Ramones production for Billy Joel mainly "52nd Street" and "Glass Houses"

Also 1979's "One Voice" by Barry Manilow, a record that mixed funk, disco and ballads, produced by Barry Manilow and Ron Dante (who produced all of his work)


I think the days of the producer are done i think now that George Martin has retired and Arif has died, so has producing and artist, which means getting the best from them. The fact that Arif Mardin produced Hall and Oates,the Bee Gees, Chaka, Norah and so many others and NONE of them sounded the same, are what producing is about.

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thesexofit said:

Yeah, like when I use to rock n roll with NIN, I also got into Ministry and bought "land of rape and honey" and "twitch". I was going down that "route" of music 'till some life changes took place LOL

Anyway, i do still play "twitch" sometimes. That album, production wise seemed ahead of its time a little.

lastdecember said:

Arif produced the bee gee's "E.S.P" album. Bee Gee's fan cloudbuster doesn't like that album much, but I love it. Arif, along with the boys, wanted the most advanced sound technically I imagine. Because of the harsh, cold sound, it has dated badly but still has some wonderful songs like "angela" "e.s.p" and the UK no 1 "you win again". "This is your life" is the shit aswell. I love the production on that album bigtime.

Talking of Arif, he did a few cuts on a Boy meets Girl album from 1990 called "New dream". It was not released at the time, but has been recently through their site. The production is so hi-tech and lush you could say its its actually over-produced in places. I love it though, and its well worth getting a copy.
Most of the album was produced by Phil Ramone (another underated producer), but Arif produces a few cuts, along with what I presume is his brother, Joe Mardin.

http://www.neferiu.com/ca...ucts_id=73

thesexofit said:

I agree, also his earlier work with the Bee Gees, is simply amazing. Norah Jones said after she worked with Arif Mardin she learned what a producer was meant to be, and then after he passed away, she said that, that form of a producer would never be again.

Come on, yall!