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Printablebellanoche said: When I looked around I didn't see this thread. Sorry for the dupe.
There were some very good points made on the thread that was locked. Lastdecember, you and Blaqueknight are so on point. I remember when everyone was calling Prince crazy or trying to say that he was hatin' on these kids. However he saw it as clear as anyone who loves music. Consolidation and greed have led to the demise of real music by real musicians. It's not about bashign the kids who are making the most of the opportunities that they have been handed. It's the business folks who are to blame for this. Lastdecember your point about the radio is so true. I live and Chicago and the two major R&B/Rap stations play the same 10 to 20 major-label artists all day long. There is no variety. I never dreamed that I would witness something like this in my lifetime. I'm 31 and I can remember hearing Bob Marley, Prince, Michael Jackson, Elton John, Cameo and Queen on the same radio station! Those same stations even played Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash when rap first started to get radio play. Now it's all the same cookie-cutter, studio produced, synthetic nonsense. I just hope that one day someone will have the gumption to go back to developing true talent and supporting good music on a major level. The only problem is that many listeners have been fed a steady diet of junk for so long that they might not have the appetite for or know how to digest a real meal. I think its coming...this is a sign. The scariest thing to me was the emergence of that silly ass dirty south shit...thats when it really hit a low. It was bad enough with Puffy. Oh I give up...its just frightening what has happened to music. Its awful...and guess what people like Mary J Bliege and Janet Jackson paved the way for a lot of no talents. In any case its catching up to the record companies...they are going to have to do some work to make money again..or are they? Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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lastdecember said: Very true. The other day someone asked me what new music was i looking forward to this month, and i told them new releases from John Mellencamp and Norah Jones. Mainly because they are artists, something is going on in the songs, theyre taking a song somewhere, and then the "listener" can paint their own picture. The problem is someone coming up now would rather sample a Curtis Mayfield beat than get into the man himself and carry that trend on. I hear you. I just saw Monica's latest video and it starts off with Curtis Mayfield's "The Makings of You" and I was grooving, then it disintegrated into some trite nonsense. I thought to myself, didn't she or her producers learn anything from listening to that song? It obviously inspired them enough to sample it, why couldn't they do more? John Cougar Mellencamp is a songwriter whom I LOVE listening to. He tells a story and you see it, smell it, breathe it, feel it, you can relate to it. I dig Norah also. I have been listening to people like Van Hunt, Rahsaan Patterson, Meshell Ndegeocello and others whom I've faithfully supported for years and it just drives me insane that labels don't put the time or money behind these artists who are actually talented. As you said, for every Julie Dexter, Res, or Donnie there are hundreds of no-talents soaking up all the airplay. It's mind boggling. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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ladygirl99 said: Exactly. Also folks barely talk about some of the artists that came out over the last two years yet alone if some of the new artists today will be talk about too in the next 10 years or not. There hardly any legends in this decade, a few for the artists of the 90s though. Me and my little sister did a challenge of name ten popular new artists of the 00s and we could barely name 5. The same happen about naming 10 most memorable songs. I am not just talking about Rnb and rap either. Its happening in the other genres too. This is so true. My sister made that point that though these "artists" get such a big marketing/promo boost from the labels and a lot of airplay, they can only mask their mediocrity for so long. We started naming people who had big hits this summer, but have already disappeared or are hardly talked about like Rihanna, Cassie, Latoiya (from Destiny's Child) and Keeshia Coles. These ladies were everywhere just a few months ago - MTV, magazine covers, radio nonstop. Now you don't hear from them. Are their albums so dreadful that they only have one or two singles on them? Sad. perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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Yeah labels dont really have the patience with an artist is what it all comes down too. They pour all this money into press/marketing/promo and theres this HYPE but then no delivery, and i just feel that people are really starting to catch on, i just wish that Radio/Video would. I mean its so bad that DJ's are so programmed today they cant even play an album cut or a B-side, I mean how crazy is that, the 60's-80's were all based on that freedom! This generation is all built on HYPE and no substance, thats how i sum it up. Its all about marketing, labels want an artist who can look good in a video, look good in a magazine, as far as musical talent, does that matter at this point? I look at my favorite CD's from last year and all of them received little or no fanfare, no videos, no promo, no hype, just substance, and thats the way it should be. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Most people download their music for free. IT IS NO MYSTERY | |
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bellanoche said: ladygirl99 said: Exactly. Also folks barely talk about some of the artists that came out over the last two years yet alone if some of the new artists today will be talk about too in the next 10 years or not. There hardly any legends in this decade, a few for the artists of the 90s though. Me and my little sister did a challenge of name ten popular new artists of the 00s and we could barely name 5. The same happen about naming 10 most memorable songs. I am not just talking about Rnb and rap either. Its happening in the other genres too. This is so true. My sister made that point that though these "artists" get such a big marketing/promo boost from the labels and a lot of airplay, they can only mask their mediocrity for so long. We started naming people who had big hits this summer, but have already disappeared or are hardly talked about like Rihanna, Cassie, Latoiya (from Destiny's Child) and Keeshia Coles. These ladies were everywhere just a few months ago - MTV, magazine covers, radio nonstop. Now you don't hear from them. Are their albums so dreadful that they only have one or two singles on them? Sad. Well said to say it is true, there is a formula that has been going on for years now and i think its finally wearing thin. An Artist will come out with a CD and it will do well, then they will get to their Second CD and they will all of a sudden say "This CD is more of me, and who i am (thats them saying they are artists)" This has been going on with every mainstream artist over the last 10 years, everyone from Britney to Justin to Aguilera to Beyonce to Ciara and all the others. Mark my words when Keyshia Cole comes out with a second CD she will say the shit, "This cd is more of who i am". "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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CinisterCee said: Most people download their music for free. IT IS NO MYSTERY
Well mainly the younger generation does, which is what the labels target, maybe its time to target something else. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: CinisterCee said: Most people download their music for free. IT IS NO MYSTERY
Well mainly the younger generation does, which is what the labels target, maybe its time to target something else.  | |
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well it's not surprising, there has been no 'big' rnb album out this year.
Besides, 2005's figures are mis-representitve, they had Mariah's TEOM which was the biggest selling album of the year. Without that album, the figures for the prevous year would be no where near as high. | |
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CinisterCee said: lastdecember said: Well mainly the younger generation does, which is what the labels target, maybe its time to target something else.  | |
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CinisterCee said: Most people download their music for free. IT IS NO MYSTERY
True!But if the downloaded songs are good I will still go out and buy the album. Because I feel an artist also should get payed 4 his work. Sometimes I'l wait untill the CD is in the mid price section,these days I don't have 2 wait 2 long be4 that happens,because-like some mentioned-sales drop fast and people lose their intrest fast. Love4oneanother | |
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Paisley4u said: CinisterCee said: Most people download their music for free. IT IS NO MYSTERY
True!But if the downloaded songs are good I will still go out and buy the album. Because I feel an artist also should get payed 4 his work. You're not "most people" | |
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Shapeshifter said: vainandy said: Here I am!
Actually, I think the decline in sales has to do with downloading or making CD copies for friends, etc. because the kids are definately still listening to the bullshit, they just aren't buying it. My nephews eat, sleep, and breathe that shit hop shit. One of them's mother buys him lots of CDs and his cousin always wants the same CD. I told him to not buy shit, bring me his cousin's CD, and I will make him a copy of it. He's thinks I'm being nice but nice is the last thing I'm being. I know it's not much but I see it as less money in these (c)rappers and record companies pocket. Everyone else should do the same and make it no longer profitable for these dead asses to continue making so-called "music". If R&B is going to continue the way it is and has been for the last 15 years, I'd rather see it go extinct altogher. . . [Edited 1/8/07 9:07am] You're a responsible uncle. Now just get your nephew into some decent music. Actually, when he was little, Prince came to Jackson back in 1997. I went to the concert and so did his mother and aunt. He heard his mother talking about the Prince concert for weeks before and afterwards and every other word that came out of his mouth was "Prince". He was Prince obsessed.
One day, he came up to me and told me "I don't like Prince anymore. Prince makes the devil's music". I asked him where he heard that from and he said his daycare teacher told him that. I told him to go back and ask her who's music rap was.
Anyway, when he got older, he became shit hop obsessed. Peer pressure you know. That's all these kids know. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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lastdecember said: CinisterCee said: Most people download their music for free. IT IS NO MYSTERY
Well mainly the younger generation does, which is what the labels target, maybe its time to target something else. Let them keep targeting the kids. Thank God for the free downloads and making CD copies. It's gonna be fun watching them go bankrupt. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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