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PrintableVoicesCarry said: VinnyM27 said: I understand it as that, yes. I mean a song like "Woman" is just painful! She still sounded great but the lyrics got boring as hell in a lot of cases or just plain preachy. That being said, for the last 10 or so years with her one off singles from various projects, she's kicking major butt. "You're So Beautiful" is awesome! I see it like this: she started trying to downplay the sensuality in her voice. It came naturally to her, with a voice like that. So it's sort of difficult to listen to the records of that period, where her vocals lack the spark they had in the 70's. It's sort of like when Madonna "learned" to sing and then never sang as well as she used to because it was too practiced and stilted instead of emotional. That's why something like "You're So Beautiful" is so perfect. Passionatly heartful singing yet by no means objectionable. She has her sensuality working there. Even some of her more AC sounding recent tracks like "The Power Of One" and "Any Way At All" sound pretty good. She corrected her eighties problems nicely....Too bad not as many people are listening. If she indeed does make a new album this year, it could be interesting. | |
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VoicesCarry said: sallysassalot said: what a silly thing to say. if her music became boring, why not leave it at that? i don't see the point in mentioning her religion unless you're aiming to insult her for coming into the religion at all.  Look, it's very simple. Donna found Jesus and STOPPED SINGING ABOUT SEX/SENSUALITY, denounced her old work for a while in the early 80's and GOT BORING. There is a direct connection between the stale music she started making ca. 1980 and her change in beliefs. She talks all about this in the Behind The Music special or whatever it was. Prince did the same thing. I'm not bashing the religion or their choices, but regarding the music it's just the way it is (unfortunately). 
It really is too bad Donna started to water her stuff down with The Wanderer. She was just coming off Bad Girls, one of the hottest albums of the decade, and she could have done some really awesome stuff in the 80's. Instead we got a few mediocre albums, and a few absolute embarrassments .
Sure she wasn't as cutting edge, but disco was dead. I think she was doing okay up through '83. I like most of the stuff during those years. | |
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GangstaFam said: Sure she wasn't as cutting edge, but disco was dead. I think she was doing okay up through '83. I like most of the stuff during those years. The Wanderer was from '82 or so, right? I think that's one of her best albums.  not quite 'bad girls' good, but close... | |
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damosuzuki said: The Wanderer was from '82 or so, right? I think that's one of her best albums.
not quite 'bad girls' good, but close...It's from '80, the year after "Bad Girls". I like it too. "I'm A Rainbow" from '81 and "She Works Hard For the Money" from '83 are solid as well. | |
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VoicesCarry said: ...Prince did the same thing...
i don't think lovesexy or the truth or rainbow children (or even musicology and 3121) are boring at all. in fact, the first three are three of my faves and all are founded on his faith. | |
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Shapeshifter said: Cloudbuster said: That comment about gay folk seemed to do her a fair bit of damage.
 She denied she ever said it. Or it was taken out of context. Or she said it and regretted it. Or ... Just the fact that she "found jesus" and then all of a sudden starting dismissing Gay people pretty much is proof enough that she said it, thats usually the basis for comments like that.... "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Shapeshifter said: She denied she ever said it. Or it was taken out of context. Or she said it and regretted it. Or ... Just the fact that she "found jesus" and then all of a sudden starting dismissing Gay people pretty much is proof enough that she said it, thats usually the basis for comments like that.... She has never dismissed gay people. | |
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TonyVanDam said: TommyRoss said: No, it won't. She sued the magazine that published the comment and it was settled out of court. That doesn't necessarily prove that she didn't say it, but it always seemed like an unbelievable 180 from somebody who publicly acknowledged her gay fans on an album in the 70s. Just my take on it... I somewhat disagree. By the magazine settling out of court, it meant that: A. Donna's comments about her faith were taken out of context. OR B. The magazine or Donna's gay accuser lie on her. Interestingly,the magazine never printed a retraction.They were also fully prepared to defend themself in court too. | |
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damosuzuki said: GangstaFam said: Sure she wasn't as cutting edge, but disco was dead. I think she was doing okay up through '83. I like most of the stuff during those years. The Wanderer was from '82 or so, right? I think that's one of her best albums. not quite 'bad girls' good, but close...'The Wanderer' was released in late 1980.The self-titled 'Donna Summer' album,produced by Quincy Jones,came next.After that album,she continued making great songs,but not great albums.In the 70s,her albums were good all the way through,for the most part.In the 80s,the albums weren't as consistent. "she wasn't as cutting edge,but disco was dead" Really? I never really accepted the argument that disco "died" in 1980.Listen to Diana Ross' 1980 album 'Diana' produced by Chic.Those songs are undeniably "disco" and yet it became her biggest selling album.I think the whole "Disco sucks" campaign probably frightened Donna and she tried to distance herself from that scene.Thus,she spent most of her 80s with no real direction.One minute,she tries to jump into Pat Benatar territory ("Cold Love"),the next minute she tries to get funky ("Love Is In Control"),etc.I think she would have fared better in the 80s if she had just stuck with dance music.By abandoning that scene,she paved the way for other artists (Madonna,Shannon,etc) to steal her crown. | |
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TonyVanDam said: SoulAlive said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PCTXMcT5_tE
I love Donna,but she sorta got lost in the 80s,with several lackluster singles and some truly awful videos."Supernatural Love" is the worst.Hey SoulAlive, that video was stupid fun to watch! Typical 80's trash! That video is dreadful and almost painful to watch The song is also generic too.I hate the lyrics too ("it must be love....that makes the flame burn higher") | |
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SoulAlive said: damosuzuki said: The Wanderer was from '82 or so, right? I think that's one of her best albums. not quite 'bad girls' good, but close...'The Wanderer' was released in late 1980.The self-titled 'Donna Summer' album,produced by Quincy Jones,came next.After that album,she continued making great songs,but not great albums.In the 70s,her albums were good all the way through,for the most part.In the 80s,the albums weren't as consistent. "she wasn't as cutting edge,but disco was dead" Really? I never really accepted the argument that disco "died" in 1980.Listen to Diana Ross' 1980 album 'Diana' produced by Chic.Those songs are undeniably "disco" and yet it became her biggest selling album.I think the whole "Disco sucks" campaign probably frightened Donna and she tried to distance herself from that scene.Thus,she spent most of her 80s with no real direction.One minute,she tries to jump into Pat Benatar territory ("Cold Love"),the next minute she tries to get funky ("Love Is In Control"),etc.I think she would have fared better in the 80s if she had just stuck with dance music.By abandoning that scene,she paved the way for other artists (Madonna,Shannon,etc) to steal her crown. I think "I'm A Rainbow" is a bit messy but is a better album than definately DS and possibly TW. It's at least fitting to her style and sounded a bit like the dance stuff that was coming out at the time. She could've continued making great dance pop. | |
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GangstaFam said: VoicesCarry said: Look, it's very simple. Donna found Jesus and STOPPED SINGING ABOUT SEX/SENSUALITY, denounced her old work for a while in the early 80's and GOT BORING. There is a direct connection between the stale music she started making ca. 1980 and her change in beliefs. She talks all about this in the Behind The Music special or whatever it was. Prince did the same thing. I'm not bashing the religion or their choices, but regarding the music it's just the way it is (unfortunately).
It really is too bad Donna started to water her stuff down with The Wanderer. She was just coming off Bad Girls, one of the hottest albums of the decade, and she could have done some really awesome stuff in the 80's. Instead we got a few mediocre albums, and a few absolute embarrassments .
Sure she wasn't as cutting edge, but disco was dead. I think she was doing okay up through '83. I like most of the stuff during those years. Same here. I also like the song "This Time I Know It's For Real" but other than that, I mainly like the early stuff through 1983. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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