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tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

bob marley is a great idea, not many men from the third world had so much charisma that it would catapult them to the world stage.

theAudience said:

i don't know man, I never got bebop, or fusion. Can't call it rock and Coltrane definitely cannot be classified as any kind of rock whatsoever.

Marvin Gaye would be a great addition to the list. Now the question of who do I boot out, Dylan, Ok. Hendrix, no. tough one.

GangstaFam said:

Cosign

He is the epitome of charisma. He deserves mention on this list purely based on his 1972-1979 work alone.

DEH5 said:

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JB was 73 years old. Do you see a lot of 73 year old guys selling millions of records or selling out stadiums.
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laurarichardson said:

People get so hung up on the numbers associated with record sales and touring sometimes it kills me.

JB has always been revered in music circles (and not just among R&B musicians either). His death has made people remember the passing of one of rock's giants, and the praise was always there for JB.

JB is the prototype for Prince & MJ. Sure P & MJ are unique in their own right, but JB provided the blueprint for their stage shows, choreography, and in some cases fashion.

My list would be (they are all of equal footing in my listing/charismatic in every sense of the word):


Little Richard (never gets the props he deserves; charismatic and really out there before it was the "thing to do")

JB (see above)

Prince (among the most underrated rock musicians; his 1980's tours were legendary)

MJ (ignore the last 15 years; dynamic performer and awesome singer/dancer)

Hendrix (Revolutionary)

Queen (My all time favorite band that had the greatest front man in rock history (IMO)

The Beatles (changed the pop landscape/possibly the greatest rock band ever)

The Rolling Stones (the anti-Beatles of the 1960's; their swagger was killer then)

Bowie (next to Prince & Hendrix, my favorite; a chameleon that kept you guessing throught the 1970's)

Madonna (I'll catch heat for this one, but musically she doesn't bring alot to the table, but she has stayed culturally relevant for the better part of 2 decades-the perfect star for the video age)

mozfonky said:

Your post speaks for itself. If you "got" bebop, maybe you'd understand where tA and I are coming from. It's not that hard to "get." So if you can't "get" bebop you can't possibly make that statement about Coltrane. You have to "get" something before you can offer a valid take on it.

'Trane and Davis would blow virtually every rock star on this list off the stage. Literally and figuratively. Rock, which is ill defined by many people, is just a moniker for rock and roll. John Coltrane rocked and rolled with the best of them. Period.

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namepeace said:

You gave a great literal breakdown, I was using the term ("Rock Star") in the figurative sense to try and make a somewhat easier connection.

Either way, both Coltrane and The Prince of Darkness qualify in spades.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

theAudience said:

Everyone knows you're a rock star once you've endorsed computers (Rolling Stones, U2).

theAudience said:

he is incredibly charismatic even through photographs

namepeace said:

i've listened to some coltrane and davis, not saying anything bad other than they just didn't interest me. And in no way do they count as rock, even miles' bitches brew which was fusion doesnt sound like rock to me. I do find them interesting as people but just never was caught by there music like I was with the rockers. Most Jazz musicians would consider it an insult to be called a rocker anyways, they are pretty snobby you know. As far as musician ship etc.., they could play and i'm sure they influenced soloists in rock but that alone does not fit the bill. I have had collections by these guys for years but can barely listen to them, that's just me and i'm not making judgements. when i say i don't get them that is my way of saying i don't dismiss their greatness, merely that i don't get them..

COMPUTERBLUE1984 said:

Great list!

theAudience said:

Miles definitely qualifies. He's one of the few jazz musicians who regularly gets included with rock musicians. Not because he played rock (despite the accusations) but because he had the mystique of a rock star.

Moreover, he understood the elements that made pop music cool at the time--good beats, cutting edge instrumentation, willingness for an artist to change, a psychedelic vibe, and extreme individuality.
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yeah miles had charisma, but so did Duke ellington, probably even more than most of the guys on this list but they are not rockers, great american musicians yes, but not rockers.

NDRU said:

tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

james brown
prince
bono (even though i'm not a fan, i can't deny his stage presence)
david lee roth
sting (at least back in the police/early solo days)
madonna (talking about stage performance here, remember)
bowie
lux interior
iggy pop
freddie mercury

theAudience said:

I am so on this path with you tA!

CinisterCee said:

oh man, i didn't even notice the corporate co-opt. Right up there with Gandhi and Einstein

anti-charisma

NDRU said:

He seems to fit in with the avant-garde, no? His tastes seem very modernist and experimental.

Jazz musicians are all about the substance, rock stars are all about THE IMAGE.

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been some cool ass jazz musicians all the same, look at a beautiful young Duke Ellington or even the stories we hear about monk just up and stopping playing one day is just bizarre, unexplainable yet cool as fuck, it's like he said , "i played everything that needed to be played now y'all figure out the rest". I just saw a vid of Nina Simone where she sounded like a nut, said if she had it her way she woulda been a killer in the 60's. She woulda took a shotgun and went down south and started killing people, BAD!!

mozfonky said:

In 1995, Nina shot and wounded her neighbour's son with a pneumatic pistol after his laughing disturbed her concentration.

Krytonite said:

what the hell was she trying to concentrate on, plans for revolution? Jesus, i thought i was angry, people think i am a nut with my music. times have changed though.

My Top 10 Most Charismatic Rock Stars

1. Michael Jackson
2. David Bowie
3. Prince
4. John Lennon
5. Marc Bolan
6. Jimi Hendrix
7. James Brown
8. Elvis Presley
9. Mick Jagger
10.Kurt Cobain
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