HamsterHuey said:

You missed the point. Did Justin's behavior at the SuperBowl and subsequent treatment of Janet lower your personal estimation of him?
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VoicesCarry said:

You are just assuming it did not. As often before. But that is okay. I thought the entire 'affair' tasteless, but in the end it was all Janet's play, I suppose. I still do not believe the bullshit of a wardrobe malfunction. It all looked to rehearsed.

HamsterHuey said:

That is why I changed the question.

But you still haven't answered it.

If Justin was a) involved and b) left Janet hanging in the aftermath, why should the incident only reflect on Janet poorly as a person?
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NorthernLad said:

Purrrr
Esp the cooing.

I loved those albums. But I loved Janet. and Velvet Rope for the growth. Her work matured on those two records. Even though they both had their faults. You mention segues; I can't stand segues. I think it has to do with over indulgence. See the and the NPG albums. I can do without.

Renee leaving her life/career Killed her career!! He as an visial artist brought allot to ideas, imagine,etc..

Have you notice since he has been gone, Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis/Janet all 3 of them have just repeated past ideas and brought nothing new to the table.

When Renee was there:
RN : masterpiece
Janet : sex-latina
Velvet Rope: honest-relationship (he wasnt there, but was there because of the crap)

VoicesCarry said:

Well, you dragged Justin into it. I never commented on that I think Justin should deserve less slack than Janet cuz of the incident. Like I said, I thought it was tasteless. But I do not think it was Justin that muttered 'lemme expose your tit on prime time tv'. I think that came form janet's camp, not realising all the hoopla.

I thought her weak for not standing up to it all and say, 'yeah, I wanted to show my tit.' She went all 'wardrobe malfunction' on us.
Justin was stupid to agree to do it, but it was Janet's tit, her wardrobe, her pierced nipple. Or glued on niplle, I never cared to look at it up close, thank you very much.

What was the question again?

HamsterHuey said:

So Justin cockily saying to the media as he walked off-stage "We gave you something to talk about" meant nothing.



He was weak (and actually worse) for not standing up for Janet, and he admitted as much himself this year. He seemed surprised and bemused to find out an "ethnic" woman (as he put it) would receive the brunt of the blame while he would have no trouble...no shit, Justin. The black community justifiably gave him a shitload of flack for his behavior. I find his behavior much more offensive than a breast on TV.
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Personally 'the aftermath' of the incident did not really interest me. I never followed it, as I am not a rabid fan of either of the singers involved. I never heard/cared what Justin said.

I suppose that if all of it went down as I think (and stated earlier) it would just get messier if he would have stood up for Janet publicly I think it would draw more attention to the fact that the, in my eyes, silly excuse of 'wardrobe malfunction' was indeed a hoax to not have the IMMENSE fines retaliating on Janet personally.

But hey. I can understand you are anti Justin because of it. I just like some of his songs. Nothing more.

HamsterHuey said:

Yes, I don't listen to his music because of it, never will. I don't particularly like the way he treats women, either. The comment on Britney's virginity was tasteless, and then dude has the gall to keep doing songs about how she may or may not have cheated on him blah blah blah. He's a one-trick pony with those songs.

VoicesCarry said:

That is where we differ. I just like the music, I never buy into the press that surrounds artists. Some artist's press I like somewhat better than the other.

And to go back to the subject; Janet's last three albums have not been up to par. Even the most rabid fan must see that.

It is the same with Prince; I love his voice, but only the last two albums of a looong string of albums are able to woo an audience outside his circle of rabid fams.

mancabdriver said:

are you a bubble brain? i said it was the QUALITY of the album and the UNDERPERFORMANCE of the tour. please. even the Hawaii dvd has a not to capacity crowd

ElectricBlue said:

i'm beginning to wonder if that's true now. i would hate to though, i still believe Janet is the force behind Janet...but latetly...even Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis seems mighty quiet.

wonder505 said:

I think they are busy producing Jessica's Boots

wonder505 said:

Actually, it's only Terry that stays quietly. So quiet that he haven't play an instrument on any Janet song since The Velvet Rope.
[Edited 12/31/06 10:10am]

TonyVanDam said:

Jimmy Jam played keys on With U and Enjoy, and did keys and drum programming on Daybreak and Take Care and Love 2 Love. They also performed on This Body, Get It Out Me, and Call On Me. This is just her most recent album, and they did play on AFY and DJ, too.

Therefore, I have no clue what you're talking about.
[Edited 12/31/06 11:10am]

I really enjoyed All for you.... I recorded that video over 20 times... that song is so catchy and the hook is really nice... AFY IMO added to janet's success.

Anyways I have always said that, hit songs and number 1 albums/songs are based on popularity.... when an artist is hot.. everything they do is almost bound to be number 1 or at least top 10 (for example Beyonce... her music is terrible.. 10 or 20 years from now people will NOT be listening to ring the alarm or crazy in love).
Also...When an artist is not popular, there songs dont hit high on the charts and people dont care about them.

I believe right now janet is not popular and thats why her music sales are that great.
20 Y.O is classic janet jackson. I would recommend that album to any true janet fan.. who enjoys the music janet made from the 90's.

Im also happy that JJ is released With U as her next single. Thats a really cool relaxing song. That people should like, unless they are hating on janet.

but I would bet a million, IF beyonce had made this album 20 Y.O people would praise it, and it would be considered a classic, just because it was beyonce.

VoicesCarry said:

Have you been drinking?!? I said Terry has been quiet, not Jimmy Jam! Please re-read the post.

EDIT: BTW, Terry did play bass on All For You. My bad!
[Edited 12/31/06 11:15am]

TonyVanDam said:

NO, you said: "it's only Terry that stays quietly", not "Terry has been quiet".

They are BOTH credited with playing on 20 Y.O., it's just that only Jimmy Jam is credited with individual instruments. They were both in the studio writing and recording the tracks with Janet.
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VoicesCarry said:

Exactly. I wonder why Terry isn't credited for individual instruments? This has me believing that he doesn't do much but work the mixing console (a la Dr. Dre)!

TonyVanDam said:

It's because they are training the Avilas, who are their proteges. Look who plays most of the parts Terry would have played a decade or two ago.

VoicesCarry said:

I was just thinking that JJ and TL used to participate in interviews and it seems they were more verbal in the media when a new CD out. Now they seem quiet. Just an observation. Probably nothing.

RE: the Superbowl disaster/Justin's perceived wuss-out...


1)Both were in the wrong. Neither party was innocent in the grand scheme of things.
2)Justin should've had Janet's back.
3)It was a cheap, boring publicity stunt that was blown insanely out of proportion.

HOWEVER

4)Justin was in his early 20's and Janet was pushing 40. The woman wasn't exactly a stupid teenager. You'd think that by 40 years old, you would have some sort of common sense. Also, given the prevailing political climate at the time, Janet should've realized how infamous Superboob was going to be. For fuck's sake, she can't be that far removed from reality that she thought it wouldn't be a huge PR disaster.

5)Janet's a big girl. She made her own decisions, and in the end, it's not like she doesn't go home to her mansion and play with all of her expensive things. Some of you act like she was stripped of life and liberty. Big deal; shit happens. That's the thing about adulthood that the Jacksons never learned; once you are an adult, you are responsible for your actions. But no, it's always a conspiracy, it's always someone else punishing them.

6)The hatred by Janet's fanbase towards JT borders on ridiclious; it's like the MJ fans opinion of Tom Sneddon. You don't like him. We get it. Get over it. He didn't run over your puppy or burn your house down.

7)And honestly, if Fergie or Gwen or Celine had pulled their boob out during halftime, I'd expect the exact same reaction from the media. I think if Janet had pulled away a piece of fabric exposing JT's package, I think the reaction would've been the same.

Axchi696 said:

I don't know about THAT last comment. Britney did receive media criticism for not wearing any underwear and showing off her closed-legged vagina in the process. But she never got slam as hard as Janet was for showing her one breast.

ElectricBlue said:

If that's so true, then where or where is Rene now and why hasn't brought some new diva to our attention while he works BTS.

TotalAlisa said:

True but I think, nay, know. set Janet to a higher standard....Had Janet released "Bday", I would take that title as a suggestion where to store it! I would also highly question ever buying another Janet album again. "20 YO" is flawed but Janet is not beyond help. I think some people want to hate but others are generally interested in Janet releasing another great album....and frankly, I think fans wish her well and want her to be happy with the album she makes. I don't think Janet was all that interested in either "20 YO" or "DJ" as full albums!

On the Justin front, the anger is sort of "justified" (..I still hate him!). It's as simple as this. If it was all planned and they really did something that was a crime, he wasn't even at the scene of the crime and she is serving a life term!

TonyVanDam said:

totally different situation....if britney, during halftime of the superbowl, pulled up her skirt and did a spread eagle then we would be dealing with similar situation.

sosgemini said:

And some JJ Fams would still blame Justin!!!

So I was visiting with some cousins who are in 9th grade and 12th grade and I had a case of CDs I was sharing with them.

They skipped right over 20 Y.O. and I was asked 'em why.

"Didn't know she was still alive "


In case you're wondering, they were interested in:

Jay-Z Kingdom Come
Beyonce B'Day
Nelly Furtado Loose
Pharrell In My Mind
Justin Timberlake Future Sex/Love Sounds
Fergie The Dutchess
J Dilla Donuts

sosgemini said:

Hell, Britney pulled up her skirt and showed her goodie mob on her own time and suffered consequences. The world is a stage.

CinisterCee said:

If you're cousins listened to Fergie, then forget them!