VoicesCarry said:

well you're entiteled to agree and disagree with whatever you want...Just as long as you give me the right to take DAC at his word when he says he's not a racist...the difference between DAC en MR is that MR never made an attempt to justify his dissgusting behaviour this way, dac made his intentions clear before the songs in question where even released.

Although I have both albums that are refered to as X-rated, I rarely listen to them...and definitly do not enjoy them, and I don't listen to them for entertainment. Just as i have triumph des willes (for the history classes i teach) wich I rarely watch and not at all enjoy. (the difference being the second is a real historic document, the first is a reconstructed historical document due to the lack of recording equipment in the civil war)

when I listen to DAC i listen to stuff like 'mona lisa lost her smile' and 'willie, waylon and me'...which I do enjoy.

Shapeshifter said:

That's pure evil! But thanks for the correction.

TonyVanDam said:

Yeah, CHAV is not really racist, it's more of a classist commentary. Some take it to mean "Council House and Violent."

White kids wearing Burberry and selling weed in front of the McDonalds near the De Beauvoir Estate.

wow, yet another thread about hip hop and how it sucks and it contributes towards violence, blah, blah, blah...I can watch this on the Bill O'Reily show every night. Even the sports analysis on HBO's Inside the NFL (just recently) were linking the hip hop culture to why athletes are carrying guns and getting into trouble with the law.

Well, why some of these points do hold some truth to it, there is positive hip hop out out there, but it's the commericial shit that people hear and the record companies push it. It's Jerry Heller and Suge Knight all over again - these moguls don't give a shit about morals and creating positive images in the community, all they see is green. And since there is 2 much money involved, muthafukers will continue 2 sell there soul 2 the devil 4 profit. If talking about it, or having 10 threads a day on the same subject makes U feel any better,than fine, but U R basically preaching to the chior.

I don't know about yall, but I stoped bitching about this a while ago, I mostly just watch old 80's videos on Youtube, listen to old songs, turn the radio on, like once a week just to see what the latest (so called) hits are, and I just keep it moving. I have my catalogue of music from Prince, James brown, the Jacksons, EWF, D.Ross, P.Collins,etc to Kurtis Blow, Run Dmc, Brand Nubian, and a Tribe Called Quest...and that's all need.

Peace and Merry X-Mas

I mean, fuck it, it is what it is....i got my music, so I'm good.

There are a LOT of BLACK PEOPLE who are PISSED OFF at the way mainstream hip-hop stereotypes and homogenizes the black experience. And in fact reinforces racist notions of black culture.[/quote]


A fucking men, these songs glamourise gangsta culture, its like they are saying its cool to be aggressive, committ crimes, smoke drugs and shit, drink gut rotting malt liquor, have a mouth from the sewer and abuse and degrade women. 90% of rap is cretinistic, negative shit. I think of people like us Maori new Zealanders who look up to loons like Lil Jon, Jay Z, Snoop Doggy Dogg, Wutang Clan, 50 cents and M and M as veritable gods and they are a group of poorly educated thugs who need to book themselves into a anger management course and do some night school.
White (mostly Jewish run) companies bank roll and promote this shit as its cheap to make, (get some drum machine beats and ur away), the artists have no talent except to swear like a trooper, shoot any nigga that steps to them and dey crew, screw hos by the truckload and go through mammoth amounts of drugs, and so by album 2 their career is finished as part of the plan ghetto blacks are sucked in to the image and lifestyle, ok thereis some survivors the bulk of your Chingys, Llloyd the lips banks, Khia, Jamelia, Shaniqua the ho types and Darnell Antwaine Kameisha Watkins type gangstas are diposable shit.
I think people should try and lift themselves above this negative shit, I mean the dubs and Escalades, blunts, mountains of $100 notes, fancy tracksuits, supa skinny hos, big dudes with chains and guns and bling bling has been going for 10 years now, time for something new?
I mean even talented artists like Missy Elliot and Kanye West have to result to some motherfucker blunt shit in their records, WHY?????

yep they even had racist songs in the 40's...but I agree, we must make sure not to offend the taliban
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Like this one
Sam Browne and His orchestra "The sun has got his hat on" 1932

The sun has got his hat on
Hip hip hooray
The sun has got his hat on and hes coming out today
Hes been tanning niggers out in Timbuktu.

And that stuff was very common in the 30s, the original version of Puttin on the ritz (1930s) was also very racist
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"Thats where each and every lulabelle (racist term to describe a black flapper, every Friday evening with their swell bows, high yellows from up on the levee come to spend their last two bits.

JackieBlue said:

i agree with the sentiment. but on the other hand, when was r&b NOT dominated by those themes? in fact, 99% of all popular music, for that matter.

Now, me, I'm very old skool hip hop - I like my Gil Scott Heron and Last Poets (and a bit of PE every now and then). I used to rant and rave about how most rappers today ('today' = last 15 yrs in this case) are just 'talkin' loud and sayin' nothin', while ridin' beats and breaks they'd be better off learning to play rather than sample, but now, I just don't care. I ain't got time ...

Hip hop mostly come from James Brown (RIP) and P-Funk. It ate itself (literally) with sampling and stuff years ago. I really spat my dummy out when Kanye West murdered Curtis Mayfield's 'Move On Up' this year. Imo, that guy ain't fit to polish Curtis' beautiful tombstone, should he have one.

I've tried to get into hip-hop ('trying to get into' is always a bad sign, I think. You either like or not like). I used to sorta think of Hip-Hop as a modern kind of blues, talking about love and the times we live in and all, which it may be sometimes. I can also see the raps may have some of the improvisational skills inherited from jazz and blues. I can even see it at times has been nearly as innovative as, say, early '70s Miles Davis.

But, in the end, most of it seems too 'ghetto-ised' (literally) and limited in lyrical and rhythmic scope to really interest me. I sometimes like the music, but then the MC opens his mouth and I just phase out. There's not enough beauty,grace, or even soul, in it for me.

I've now decided it's just not really to my taste.

I know countless black people that hate it because of the negative stereotypes it contains. I also know countless black and white people that hate it simply because it's boring as hell and no good music stands a chance because it dominates R&B.

The people I see that are the happiest are the white racists. They love it because of the negative stereotypes. They see black people as "staying in their place where they belong".
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Nas Hip Hop is dead, I think everybody who posted in this thread should support that album

JackieBlue said:

I agree with everthing you said and this is my main problem with today's R&B scene.R&B singers like Ginuwine and Jahiem are just imitating the rappers,using the same type of offensive "ghetto" lyrics and slang terms.They're also using the same producers that the rappers use and of course,they fill their CDs with rap cameos.Thus,much of today's R&B music is as boring and uninspired as the crap that the rappers are giving us.This is one reason why I prefer to listen to soul music from the 70s and 60s....a time when it was truly 100% soul music.

Miles said:

Wow, nicely said and I agree with a lot of that. Especially this part...

"I sometimes like the music, but then the MC opens his mouth and I just phase out. There's not enough beauty,grace, or even soul, in it for me."