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Reply #60 posted 12/23/06 10:44pm

Janfriend

MikeMatronik said:

Janfriend said:



Which other 2 are you referring to?


League of their Own and D. Seeking Susan


lol Those are the good ones

You really need to see:
Shanghai Surprise
Who's that Girl (the acting is not bad in this one)
Dick Tracy
Four Rooms
Body Of Evidence
The Next Best Thing

I don't why she acted in that many films. People are lying to her
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Reply #61 posted 12/23/06 11:03pm

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Janfriend said:

MikeMatronik said:



League of their Own and D. Seeking Susan


Body Of Evidence


Terrible movie, and I love it! That scene where she's fingering herself and she's wearing those granny panties? disbelief And it wasn't filmed from a flattering angle either!
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Reply #62 posted 12/24/06 10:06am

MikeMatronik

Janfriend said:

MikeMatronik said:



League of their Own and D. Seeking Susan


lol Those are the good ones

You really need to see:
Shanghai Surprise
Who's that Girl (the acting is not bad in this one)
Dick Tracy
Four Rooms
Body Of Evidence
The Next Best Thing

I don't why she acted in that many films. People are lying to her


She tries to b Cher or Barbra. She fails miserably in the acting category. lol
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Reply #63 posted 12/24/06 10:30am

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yes, madonna tried and failed, a few times. personally, i wish she'd disappear completely and forever. Recently on TV I heard someone compare her as an actress to meryl streep. Maddy's a promi she's not an actress. she can't even sing very well and her dance routines are aerobics classes with a few poses thrown in. I don't dislike her, but let's try to keep things in perspective, huh? Her one redeeming quality is her relentless diligence, but whatever she wanted to prove has been proved. RIP madonna!
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Reply #64 posted 12/24/06 10:34am

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yes, madonna tried and failed, a few times. personally, i wish she'd disappear completely and forever. Recently on TV I heard someone compare her as an actress to meryl streep.


Must've been some good crack they were on lol.

As a side note, Meryl was up for the role of Evita; in fact she desperately wanted it. I wonder how the film would have been with her in it. She certainly could have handled the vocals - I watched A Prairie Home Companion last night, and not only was her acting fabulous, her live singing was also very very good.
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Reply #65 posted 12/24/06 10:44am

MikeMatronik

I consider Madonna like a cabaret singer...
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Reply #66 posted 12/24/06 10:51am

thedribbler

Meryl, would have been better. All round she's a finer artist, but then madonna was picked to play Evita at a high point in her career, thus ensuring high ticket sales. All said I did really enjoy the film Evita, even with madonna. Musicals with political themes are usually a hit with me.
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Reply #67 posted 12/24/06 10:52am

thedribbler

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I consider Madonna like a cabaret singer...


ok, but she's not as cool as ... err.. liza minelli.
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Reply #68 posted 12/24/06 12:08pm

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Meryl, would have been better. All round she's a finer artist, but then madonna was picked to play Evita at a high point in her career, thus ensuring high ticket sales. All said I did really enjoy the film Evita, even with madonna. Musicals with political themes are usually a hit with me.



Yes, because everyone knows that in the mid-90s, Madonna's career was at its zenith.
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Reply #69 posted 12/24/06 12:33pm

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Janfriend said:

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I dont like it when you talk.


I'm not talking, I'm typing and I don't like it when you type either. You like to make personal attacks against posters. That's not very JW-like. I don't tell you to "shut it" even when you're being stupid or tell you to "go and..." How immature


just the ones who say shit like "black artists don't make their music for white people."
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Reply #70 posted 12/24/06 12:34pm

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Janfriend said:

MikeMatronik said:



League of their Own and D. Seeking Susan


lol Those are the good ones

You really need to see:
Shanghai Surprise
Who's that Girl (the acting is not bad in this one)
Dick Tracy
Four Rooms
Body Of Evidence
The Next Best Thing

I don't why she acted in that many films. People are lying to her


Damn you sure know your Madonna history for not being a fan.
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Reply #71 posted 12/24/06 5:38pm

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thedribbler said:

Meryl, would have been better. All round she's a finer artist, but then madonna was picked to play Evita at a high point in her career, thus ensuring high ticket sales. All said I did really enjoy the film Evita, even with madonna. Musicals with political themes are usually a hit with me.


Actually, when she made 'Evita' she was at the lowest point in her public approval. The movie helped turned things around and 'Ray of Light' pretty much brought her back completely.

and I give U props 4 not letting your feelings 4 Madonna get in the way of enjoying what is a really good movie.
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Reply #72 posted 12/24/06 6:20pm

Janfriend

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Janfriend said:



I'm not talking, I'm typing and I don't like it when you type either. You like to make personal attacks against posters. That's not very JW-like. I don't tell you to "shut it" even when you're being stupid or tell you to "go and..." How immature


just the ones who say shit like "black artists don't make their music for white people."
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Wow. Those weren't my exact words and it wasn't a personal attack either. Try to stay on topic. You're still being immature
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Reply #73 posted 12/24/06 6:26pm

Janfriend

badujunkie said:

Janfriend said:



lol Those are the good ones

You really need to see:
Shanghai Surprise
Who's that Girl (the acting is not bad in this one)
Dick Tracy
Four Rooms
Body Of Evidence
The Next Best Thing

I don't why she acted in that many films. People are lying to her


Damn you sure know your Madonna history for not being a fan.


That's right. If I'm going to have disdain for something, I make sure I know what and why I'm disliking it. Don't think my dislike for Madonna is random and without merit. I can go through her entire career from 83 and tell you why I can't stand her. I pay attention to her biographies, articles, and shows so I can say "See, this is why I don't like her." I keep my enemies close to my in real life also
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Reply #74 posted 12/25/06 9:19am

thedribbler

unfortunately, Madonna can be hard to ignore. I seem forced to have an opinion.
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Reply #75 posted 12/26/06 1:49pm

badujunkie

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Janfriend said:

badujunkie said:



Damn you sure know your Madonna history for not being a fan.


That's right. If I'm going to have disdain for something, I make sure I know what and why I'm disliking it. Don't think my dislike for Madonna is random and without merit. I can go through her entire career from 83 and tell you why I can't stand her. I pay attention to her biographies, articles, and shows so I can say "See, this is why I don't like her." I keep my enemies close to my in real life also


Interesting. I dont really pay attention to Mariah or Justin's biographies, articles, shows etc because I think they suck. That's smart though to keep enemies close.
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Reply #76 posted 12/26/06 1:50pm

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Janfriend said:

badujunkie said:



just the ones who say shit like "black artists don't make their music for white people."
[Edited 12/24/06 12:36pm]


Wow. Those weren't my exact words and it wasn't a personal attack either. Try to stay on topic. You're still being immature


I am not being immature...I AM IMMATURE. Period. Immature, shameless, and inappropriate. Duh. Anyhow I remember those being your exact words but whatever it was last Christmas. You're cool. I can't argue with anything you say.
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Reply #77 posted 12/27/06 6:43am

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excellent movie, and one of the better recent movie musicals.

madonna should have gotten an oscar nomination for it, especially after she won the golden globe for best actress for it.
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Reply #78 posted 12/27/06 8:46am

VoicesCarry

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excellent movie, and one of the better recent movie musicals.

madonna should have gotten an oscar nomination for it, especially after she won the golden globe for best actress for it.


No, I definitely would NOT go so far as to say Madonna deserved any sort of Oscar recognition for that role. She was adequate, but not spectacular. There were easily 5 much, MUCH better female performances that year.

Ironically Frances McDormand, one of those Madonna beat out on Golden Globe night, went on to win the Oscar. Bottom line is Hollywood Foreign Press knows nothing about artistry, and everything about celebrity. Madonna received no recognition from any serious critics groups, and that is telling.
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Reply #79 posted 12/27/06 9:07am

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VoicesCarry said:

cborgman said:

excellent movie, and one of the better recent movie musicals.

madonna should have gotten an oscar nomination for it, especially after she won the golden globe for best actress for it.


No, I definitely would NOT go so far as to say Madonna deserved any sort of Oscar recognition for that role. She was adequate, but not spectacular. There were easily 5 much, MUCH better female performances that year.

Ironically Frances McDormand, one of those Madonna beat out on Golden Globe night, went on to win the Oscar. Bottom line is Hollywood Foreign Press knows nothing about artistry, and everything about celebrity. Madonna received no recognition from any serious critics groups, and that is telling.
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i disagree. there were a several wonderful performances that were ignored that year. madonna and courtney love (for people vs. larry flynt) are people who i think should not attempt to act, but both were pretty amazingly good in the respective movies. debbie reynolds (for mother) was also a wonderful but ignored performance that year
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Reply #80 posted 12/27/06 9:27am

thedribbler

All that maddy gave to the musical was celebtrity presence. (Obviously) There's nothing wrong with anyone liking that, but for winning awards, let's try to get as close as we can to the credit given where credit's due principle.

I must say, I found evita a lot more enjoyable than Dancer in the dark. Even though I find Bjork irresistable!
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Reply #81 posted 12/27/06 9:44am

VoicesCarry

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VoicesCarry said:



No, I definitely would NOT go so far as to say Madonna deserved any sort of Oscar recognition for that role. She was adequate, but not spectacular. There were easily 5 much, MUCH better female performances that year.

Ironically Frances McDormand, one of those Madonna beat out on Golden Globe night, went on to win the Oscar. Bottom line is Hollywood Foreign Press knows nothing about artistry, and everything about celebrity. Madonna received no recognition from any serious critics groups, and that is telling.
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i disagree. there were a several wonderful performances that were ignored that year. madonna and courtney love (for people vs. larry flynt) are people who i think should not attempt to act, but both were pretty amazingly good in the respective movies. debbie reynolds (for mother) was also a wonderful but ignored performance that year


Well, Courtney won awards from BSFCA, CFCAA, FFCCA, and NYFCCA. If anyone, she should have been nominated. She didn't win the Globe because the fools running her campaign decided she had a chance in the Best Actress category instead of the Supporting Actress category, which she might have actually won. Madonna didn't even get a single nomination from any of the critics associations, so I am not surprised she wasn't nominated for an Oscar. Same thing goes for Debbie (who is a good character actress, but was playing her typical part, one she has played a LOT in her old age).

1996 was an exceptionally strong year for female leads, and Emily Watson was probably denied a well-deserved Oscar for Breaking The Waves. Then you had the female ensemble in Secrets and Lies, Frances McDormand, and Kristin Scott Thomas in English Patient, among others.
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Reply #82 posted 12/27/06 9:59am

thedribbler

Evita was a good film, despite, but not because of madonna

!!! SHE DOES NOT DESERVE AN AWARD FOR ANYTHING SHE HAS EVER DONE !!!
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Reply #83 posted 12/27/06 3:03pm

SoulAlive

Janfriend said:

MikeMatronik said:



League of their Own and D. Seeking Susan


lol Those are the good ones

You really need to see:
Shanghai Surprise
Who's that Girl (the acting is not bad in this one)
Dick Tracy
Four Rooms
Body Of Evidence
The Next Best Thing

I don't why she acted in that many films. People are lying to her


I think 'Who's That Girl' is her best movie.It's fun and enjoyble.She seems comfortable in her role.Her voice is annoying but I think that was intentional?

"I don't know why she acted in that many films"

Madonna was in so many films for the same reason why so many rappers and other singers are in films: being "popular" in music means you get the chance to do movies.Movie producers and directors pay attention to the Billboard charts.Having a big name musical star in your film will guarantee alot of attention and big box office.In fact,Madonna's first two films ("Vision Quest" and "Despearately Seeking Susan") were clearly a result of her amazing pop success at the time.

I think that half of her movies are good and half of them are shit (a view that even she shares).But as a fan,I'm glad these movies exist.Marilyn Monroe and Elvis weren't good actors either,but I think their fans like having those movies,as bad as they are.
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Reply #84 posted 12/27/06 3:52pm

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I think that half of her movies are good and half of them are shit (a view that even she shares).But as a fan,I'm glad these movies exist.Marilyn Monroe and Elvis weren't good actors either,but I think their fans like having those movies,as bad as they are.


Monroe fans think she was a good actress, and the majority of critics agree that she was at the very least an excellent comedienne. I'd trust Billy Wilder on that one. shrug And Elvis was about on the level of Keanu Reeves.....ie. miles above Madonna.

But let's not lump classics like Some Like It Hot, The Seven Year Itch, Bus Stop, How To Marry A Millionaire, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes etc. in with Elvis or Madonna's shit films. Hell even Elvis has one classic to call his own (Jailhouse Rock). lol And let's not say Madonna even approaches the screen presence or charisma of Elvis or Monroe....because she sure as hell doesn't. wink. Who'd have thought Madonna could be so interesting on record and so insanely boring on screen?
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Reply #85 posted 12/27/06 4:22pm

thedribbler

but haven't you noticed she's boring on the records as well as on screen?
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Reply #86 posted 12/27/06 7:31pm

Janfriend

SoulAlive said:

Janfriend said:



lol Those are the good ones

You really need to see:
Shanghai Surprise
Who's that Girl (the acting is not bad in this one)
Dick Tracy
Four Rooms
Body Of Evidence
The Next Best Thing

I don't why she acted in that many films. People are lying to her


I think 'Who's That Girl' is her best movie.It's fun and enjoyble.She seems comfortable in her role.Her voice is annoying but I think that was intentional?

"I don't know why she acted in that many films"

Madonna was in so many films for the same reason why so many rappers and other singers are in films: being "popular" in music means you get the chance to do movies.Movie producers and directors pay attention to the Billboard charts.Having a big name musical star in your film will guarantee alot of attention and big box office.In fact,Madonna's first two films ("Vision Quest" and "Despearately Seeking Susan") were clearly a result of her amazing pop success at the time.

I think that half of her movies are good and half of them are shit (a view that even she shares).But as a fan,I'm glad these movies exist.Marilyn Monroe and Elvis weren't good actors either,but I think their fans like having those movies,as bad as they are.


Yeah, her voice in Who's That Girl was intentional. Best accent I've ever heard her do
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Reply #87 posted 12/27/06 7:38pm

thedribbler

Maddy is similar britney

What of J lo? She is very hot

Beyonce is a bit of an airhead, but nice
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Reply #88 posted 12/27/06 10:32pm

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VoicesCarry said:

SoulAlive said:

I think that half of her movies are good and half of them are shit (a view that even she shares).But as a fan,I'm glad these movies exist.Marilyn Monroe and Elvis weren't good actors either,but I think their fans like having those movies,as bad as they are.


Monroe fans think she was a good actress, and the majority of critics agree that she was at the very least an excellent comedienne. I'd trust Billy Wilder on that one. shrug And Elvis was about on the level of Keanu Reeves.....ie. miles above Madonna.

But let's not lump classics like Some Like It Hot, The Seven Year Itch, Bus Stop, How To Marry A Millionaire, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes etc. in with Elvis or Madonna's shit films. Hell even Elvis has one classic to call his own (Jailhouse Rock). lol And let's not say Madonna even approaches the screen presence or charisma of Elvis or Monroe....because she sure as hell doesn't. wink. Who'd have thought Madonna could be so interesting on record and so insanely boring on screen?
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i think there are 5 movies that Madonna excels in Desperatly Seeking Susan, Who's That Girl, Dick Tracy, A League of Their Own, and Evita. A League of Their Own being my favorite performance of her on screen. The chemistry between her and Rosie is amazing and I think she does better in supporting roles.
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Reply #89 posted 12/28/06 12:38pm

SoulAlive

VoicesCarry said:

SoulAlive said:

I think that half of her movies are good and half of them are shit (a view that even she shares).But as a fan,I'm glad these movies exist.Marilyn Monroe and Elvis weren't good actors either,but I think their fans like having those movies,as bad as they are.


Monroe fans think she was a good actress, and the majority of critics agree that she was at the very least an excellent comedienne. I'd trust Billy Wilder on that one. shrug And Elvis was about on the level of Keanu Reeves.....ie. miles above Madonna.

But let's not lump classics like Some Like It Hot, The Seven Year Itch, Bus Stop, How To Marry A Millionaire, Gentlemen Prefer Blondes etc. in with Elvis or Madonna's shit films. Hell even Elvis has one classic to call his own (Jailhouse Rock). lol And let's not say Madonna even approaches the screen presence or charisma of Elvis or Monroe....because she sure as hell doesn't. wink. Who'd have thought Madonna could be so interesting on record and so insanely boring on screen?
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Marilyn Monroe was not a good actress and neither was Elvis Presley lol Of course,their fans are gonna tell a different story.Elvis' movies were as cheesy and pretentious as Prince's 'Cherry Moon'.Marilyn was sexy and charming in her films,but she couldn't act her way out of a paper bag.

Yes,Elvis might have one classic movie,but give Madonna credit where it is due.She has a handful of movies that were well-received,either by critics or by huge box office:

Desperately Seeking Susan (1984)
Dick Tracy (1990)
Truth Or Dare (1991)
A League Of Their Own (1992)
Evita (1996)


Most of Janet Jackson's movies haven't been as successful as those
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