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PrintabletheAudience said: VoicesCarry said: I'm not so anal about sampling that I can't have fun with sampled music. But I usually do not listen to songs that have sampled an ENTIRE song.
Not to discount the work of PE's Bomb Squad, but to me really creative sampling would occur when unique and obscure sounds are used instead of former musical works. tA  Tribal Disorder
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prodigalfan said: vainandy said: "Crystal Ball", I believe it was 1998, was a three CD set and "The Truth" album was thrown in as a bonus fourth CD. It's an accoutical album. I hate anything stripped down and simple....that's why I hate shit hop. Anyway, accoustical music puts me in the mind of people sitting around a campfire singing "Kumbaya" or "Michael Rowed The Boat Ashore". If you like accoustical music though, you might like it. A lot of people on this site love it. I don't know what drugs they are taking though.   Kumbaya my Lord.....Kumbaya.....OOOOOH Looooorrrd.....Kumbaya Lemme pull this marshmellow out of the campfire and pull it off the stick before it burns up. Now, let's tell some ghost stories boys and girls. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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murph said: The Bomb Squad were as great as you could get as hip-hop producers...You are speaking another language to me...lol
Not to be misunderstood, I totally appreciate and respect The Bomb Squad's style of production (using sounds/noise along with former musical works). My point was that creating compositions utilizing only unique sounds/noise samples along with original music would be a further step up. tA Tribal Disorder
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vainandy said: Kumbaya my Lord.....Kumbaya.....OOOOOH Looooorrrd.....Kumbaya Lemme pull this marshmellow out of the campfire and pull it off the stick before it burns up. Now, let's tell some ghost stories boys and girls. I love your sickness. 
I'm really tempted to send you something that'll put you in full on Whitney-trashing mode.
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theAudience said: vainandy said: Kumbaya my Lord.....Kumbaya.....OOOOOH Looooorrrd.....Kumbaya Lemme pull this marshmellow out of the campfire and pull it off the stick before it burns up. Now, let's tell some ghost stories boys and girls. I love your sickness.
I'm really tempted to send you something that'll put you in full on Whitney-trashing mode.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Start a thread and put it in it. We'll have a field day! Andy is a four letter word. | |
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theAudience said: vainandy said: Kumbaya my Lord.....Kumbaya.....OOOOOH Looooorrrd.....Kumbaya Lemme pull this marshmellow out of the campfire and pull it off the stick before it burns up. Now, let's tell some ghost stories boys and girls. I love your sickness.
I'm really tempted to send you something that'll put you in full on Whitney-trashing mode.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 Please post. | |
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VoicesCarry said: Please post.
You already have what i'm talking about. 
I'd do it but he might come after me with a meat cleaver. 
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theAudience said: VoicesCarry said: Please post.
You already have what i'm talking about.
I'd do it but he might come after me with a meat cleaver.
tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 She's not in the recording studio with Prince is she? I know I've felt like dropping Prince before but that might make me do it. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: Yes I am. Prince bitches about today's music and then turn around and performs with the enemy. Unlike him, when I bitch about something, I stick to my guns all the way. You said the enemy  | |
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vainandy said: She's not in the recording studio with Prince is she? I know I've felt like dropping Prince before but that might make me do it. No it's not that bad.
 ...At least not that i'm aware of.
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theAudience said: murph said: The Bomb Squad were as great as you could get as hip-hop producers...You are speaking another language to me...lol
Not to be misunderstood, I totally appreciate and respect The Bomb Squad's style of production (using sounds/noise along with former musical works). My point was that creating compositions utilizing only unique sounds/noise samples along with original music would be a further step up. tA Tribal Disorder
http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431 I respectfully disagree... | |
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murph said: I respectfully disagree... Further clarity: Not for them (as what they did was unique for its time), but for future artists considering the incorporation of sampling into their compositions. tA Tribal Disorder
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VoicesCarry said: Tom said: I think Prince felt that Beyonce was a cut above alot of the pop acts out there, and was trying to show her some support. It looks like the influence of her record execs won over in the end though. Though she did take some of Prince's advice and got herself a band.
This is the girl candy band that doesn't play in any of her performances, right? Wrong. The band does play live, the only time they've faked it was at their first appearance on the BET Awards. And that was because they had just been selected a few days before. love is a fate resigned memories mar my mind love it is a fate resigned Over futile odds and laughed at by the Gods and now the final frame Love is a losing game | |
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Man i like how you guys just jacked my thread and turned it in to, well actualy i dunno whats going on  | |
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murph said: vainandy said: Folks like Vanity or Apollonia may have not had talent as a singer but good "music" behind them made their songs sound great. "Music" is what I like most about music, not the singing. Now, if Beyonce has talent as a singer (which I don't doubt) that's still not enough to make me like some music behind her (which is the first thing I hear) that sounds weak and shitty. If she has talent, she needs to get together with other talented people on her albums who can put some good music behind her and run this bullshit that's dominating the airwaves out of style. Instead, she chooses to go the easy route and make shit hop to make the biggest profit she can. And for that, I have absolutely no respect for her. Well, this is where we disagree...There were some good songs on that first Beyonce album (I dug the sound and groove of songs like "Dangerously In Love" and "Me Myself & I"...And then there are some bullshit songs on her new one (This who crunked out R&B production shit is getting tired...And it shows on ther new album)...The point is, I'm able to seperate the two because I have one foot in the oldschool as a child of the '80s and the other has a hip-hop head... [Edited 12/20/06 18:19pm] yes I agree Dangerously In Love was a very strong POP RB record....the strongest songs were the pop RB dances numbers like Crazy In Love, Naughty Girl, Hip Hop Star, in additon to Dangerously In Love & Me Myself & I. This recent albumn is not strong...its a mistep...but she has a body of work with Destiny"s Child and solo that we can cut her a break. Shes just getting started at this thing really. However she has talent and the looks to match...I'm rooting for her. She seem like she coming from a good place Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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Speaking of sampling, weren't the Beatles the first to sample?
My thoughts on sampling 1) Beastie Boy's Paul's Boutique is one of the finest pieces of work to use sampling the RIGHT way. I swear I hear Metallica being sampled. 2) Even old blues musicians sampled from each other. They just did it live on guitar, much like Prince's "Electric Chair" riff that sounds much like Jimi's "Foxy Lady" 3) Remember Afrika Bambaata? Sampled the hell out of Kraftwerk, and he was one of the first big name hip hop artists! 4) Rapper's Delight. and 5) If you've ever, ever tried to sample a small loop perfectly like the Bomb Squad does, it's really hard.Get a free sound editing program like Audacity and just try to reproduce a song on Nation of Millions. Try even 3 bars. Some people wear cool-ass clothes that I could never fit into,but I'd probably look good with just the shoes or the shirt. Doesn't make me lazy, it makes me aware of good taste. But if I steal a whole outfit,it just makes me feel unoriginal. | |
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banks said: Man i like how you guys just jacked my thread and turned it in to, well actualy i dunno whats going on
it's actually an interesting discussion going on,even if most of it has very little to do with Beyonce | |
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VoicesCarry said: Meloh9 said: the fact that she can sing AND has the look would most likely put her over the top in Prince's book. not that I can speak for the man but I can imagine how much respect he must have for her seeing that she is one of the few new artist that refuse to lip synch I think Prince was looking for a way to make a splash for himself and that's how he did it. He didn't give a shit about Beyonce. I mean he was trying to teach her some basic scales on the piano during rehearsals. She had zero knowledge. But maybe that is what excited him, who knows? I'm not one to say you can *sing* just because you sing, and I don't think Prince is, either. Beyonce as a vocalist has never worked for me. She does her riffs and stuff and likes to show off here and there, but has she ever really made me feel what she's singing about? No. So whatever it is that Prince saw (I think it was the headlines that it would generate and not Beyonce herself), I don't see it. There were even better voices in Destiny's Child. [Edited 12/20/06 17:31pm] | |
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Meloh9 said: VoicesCarry said: Contemporary hip hop killed music for many reasons: 1. Sampling. 2. It is rhythmless. It put rhythm in a box, and then put the box in a garbage press. 3. You don't need a voice. Or melody. [Edited 12/20/06 17:45pm] But there is still some great Hip Hop out there, and even with samples some of the early Hip Hop albums used sampling in creative ways like De La Souls 3 feet high and rising and Beastie Boys Paul's Boutique which paved the way for artist like Beck. They used a technique called layering that allowed the artist to compile samples from different sources to create something that was totally different than the original sample Also we still have albums like BE from Common that is very musical and Outkast. Also I miss groups that used samples AND live parts like Arrested Development. And let’s not forget about The Roots. I guess if you judge any art form by what is in the mainstream you will always have a bad impression. It just so happens that Hop Hop is flooding the market now because it’s the fasted music to make. | |
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pbrite said:
3) Remember Afrika Bambaata? Sampled the hell out of Kraftwerk, and he was one of the first big name hip hop artists! He didn't sample Kraftwerk. Yeah, he stole the hell out of the groove but he played his own instruments and remade the song from scratch. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: pbrite said:
3) Remember Afrika Bambaata? Sampled the hell out of Kraftwerk, and he was one of the first big name hip hop artists! He didn't sample Kraftwerk. Yeah, he stole the hell out of the groove but he played his own instruments and remade the song from scratch. No...he sampled it Vain...Well, not really a sample...Bam just jacked the record and transformed it into something genuis on a street level... | |
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SoulAlive said: banks said: Man i like how you guys just jacked my thread and turned it in to, well actualy i dunno whats going on
it's actually an interesting discussion going on,even if most of it has very little to do with Beyonceyeah your right ! after reading everything it is pretty interesting | |
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murph said: vainandy said: He didn't sample Kraftwerk. Yeah, he stole the hell out of the groove but he played his own instruments and remade the song from scratch. No...he sampled it Vain...Well, not really a sample...Bam just jacked the record and transformed it into something genuis on a street level... I consider sampling as using the actual original recording in the new recording. I see what Soul Sonic Force did as no different than making a remake like Roger remaking "Heard It Through The Grapevine". Except Soul Sonic Force went a little further and added their own lyrics over the song they remade. You are right about them turning it into something genius. The instrumental B-Side was the absolute best with the explosions, the breakdowns, and the electronic voice. Many people started doing creative things with their instrumental versions after that record. . . [Edited 12/21/06 14:39pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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vainandy said: It was a disgrace that he performed with a piece of shit hop trash like her to begin with.
AGREED. I'll leave it alone babe...just be me | |
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It wasn't Prince's first time performing with a hot girl far less talented than him.
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I Used to Think like all of yous until I watched a biography on Beyonce... She is a really taleted girl more than Appolonia Vanity... She has worked really hard for what she has and the way she has gone about made her successful she will keep going for years to come and more successful cause of her way..... I think Prince Knows this and trust me he likes her what sbout at the UK hall of Fame... Beyonce Looks up To Prince anyways and im Sure She knows allot more than some idiot said in one reply... Stop All this negativity.. | |
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I still wonder what that performance would have been like with Christina Aguilera instead of Beyonce. If Prince was going to pick a new artist who has a tendency to over-sing, then Christina would have been a better choice IMO. I still admire the fact that Christina did something out of the norm on "Back to Basics". Not to many new artists would do a jazz/blues-oriented album and she did. She could have easily made another "Genie in a Bottle" and sold more albums, but she didn't; and, I respect her for it. IMO, Beyonce hasn't grown any musically on her new album, same old B. If she wasn't pretty, I honestly don't think anyone would give two shits about the girl. There were lots of great vocalists in the '90s that I think were 10 times better than Beyonce. Shanice and Traci Spencer are still my all time favorite 90s R&B girls, and they can both vocally blow Beyonce's ass out of the water IMO. I think Beyonce is one of the most over-hyped artists out right now and I can't wait to watch Jennifer Hudson over-shadow her in "Dreamgirls". Prince Rogers Nelson
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vainandy said: I guess you would call it jazz. I can sit and listen to it though but it sure as hell ain't something I would want from someone like Prince. I don't consider "NEWS" as Prince's most boring album though. I just threw that one out because so many people hate it. My choice for most boring Prince album would be "The Truth". Why does anyone give a damn about this loser-attention-whore's opinion? | |
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murph said: The Bomb Squad were as great as you could get as hip-hop producers...You are speaking another language to me...lol
oh please do continue  Has anyone tried unplugging the United States and plugging it back in? | |
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cinnamongirl24 said: vainandy said: I guess you would call it jazz. I can sit and listen to it though but it sure as hell ain't something I would want from someone like Prince. I don't consider "NEWS" as Prince's most boring album though. I just threw that one out because so many people hate it. My choice for most boring Prince album would be "The Truth". Why does anyone give a damn about this loser-attention-whore's opinion? this is what I don't get...why does it have be about this ==> Why does anyone give a damn about this loser-attention-whore's opinion Its just so unecessary...mean, nasty, uncalled for sad even Dance... Let me see you dance | |
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