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Thread started 12/16/06 11:15pm

JasonStar

MJ's Current Situation with Bain, Grace (The Nanny), and more. (Includes response from Bain!)

First the Katrina single, the WMAs, and now this Japan fiasco, something definatley isn't on the up and up in Michael's world. This was posted on MANY MJ fan sites. It is a letter from a fan concerning Michael's current "team" and his current situation, and includes a response from Bain.

"-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@aol.com
To: XXXXX@aol.com
Sent: Wed, 13 Dec 2006 21.55PM
Subject: Please read ENTIRE email"

Dear Ms. Bain

On the fan underground its saying that you have said its not true regarding Frank Dileo being asked back by Michael. We know that is not true. We know you called him and told him that Michael wanted him back. In fact, everyone who saw this “denial” comment from yourself know that your lying about it.

You must think we’re stupid.. You must think we don’t have a clue what is going on, well your wrong. We know exactly what’s going on.

We know Frank is not the only one being blocked by you and Grace. We know that Michael’s family are not able to be put through to him and neither you or Grace forward the messages on to Michael.

We know that Friends are being blocked by yourself and Grace. We know that you wont allow business people into Michael’s life that don’t like you or Grace because your both frightened that they might influence him to fire both of you.

We know that you and Grace lie to Michael’s face about a large majority of things. We know that Michael WOULD NOT be doing this Japan fiasco if he knew the truth about it.

Are you aware that fans have heard that Broderick Morris is a dishonest man? Oh yeah… Course you did, silly me, everyone has emailed you about it but in typical Bain style you ignored it and swept that right under the rug… Must be getting pretty lumpy under that rug of yours.

Do you have ANY idea how pathetic yours and Grace’s business decisions are making Michael look? We know Will.I.am is not going to be working with Michael and is upset that he was used for a “Fluff” piece on Access Hollywood.

We know that Michael is easily manipulated by those around him, and he clearly has not escaped you two either. I remember an article a while back that you were interviewed in. You stated that you were by Michael’s side on Verdict day… You were NOT there, we KNOW that, and pictures show that, you were fired by Michael personally too. But your back, and we know its Grace that got you back. Your willing to report to Grace so she got you back because of that.

Did you know that this Japanese dinner looks desperate, and because of yours and Grace lack of advice to Michael he is now getting bad press in the only place has NEVER EVER gotten it before? Yup you knew that too didn’t you?

Michael went through hell and back with his trial and previous allegation and not once did he get bad press in Japan. Did you know that this event is the first time the Japanese press have said a bad word about him? Oh yeah... You did know that, silly me, fans emailed you about that too and you YET again ignored them.

The World Music Awards is a prime example of how badly both of you do your jobs. Yours and Grace’s unprofessional and questionable work ethics left Michael looking like a fool.

The fans are sick and tired of both of you. The family are upset that they cant speak to their Son/Brother/Uncle because of yours and Grace’s lack of morals. Michael is going to have no career if you two carry on with what your doing and will soon be opening themeparks and become a pathetic looking public speaker because no one wants to work with him because of the crap organisational skills you two women both have.

How dare you not go back to Michael and tell him that Frank Dileo said he would come back and work for Michael. He ASKED for Frank back. Michael has complained that he was told that Frank wasn’t available. That is NOT true. Frank IS available and said yes and you damn well know that, and your both helping put Michael’s career on a backburner because your both afraid of losing your jobs? What kind of people are you? Grace likes to portray herself as a religious upstanding respectful woman, but fans have said she has been nothing short of manipulative, ugly, disgusting and rude to the them and people who have fleetingly been allowed into his life for a nano second. Not to mention that the last security guard who actually cared about Michael (Kerry) left because of Grace. We know that Grace wants Michael to have no fans left and to think that he has nothing left to sing for so she can go live a happy little life with him, so what your both doing is just her little plan being put into action.

How dare you two women decide who he can and cant speak to. His family are more important than you, but his mother is entitled to have direct access to her son, if she wants to speak to him YOU put her through, don’t forward the call to Grace. Grace has no right to decide if Michael can speak with his own mother. I cannot imagine how much crap Grace and yourself has filled Michael’s mind with regarding his family.

I imagine your both working flat out to turn him against just about everyone he once held so dear to his heart so that eventually Michael himself will want to avoid those people, assuming that hasn’t started already.

Both of your reputations are not exactly intact and I can see why. I wonder why yourself and Janet Jackson parted ways during the promotion of The Velvet Rope.

FIVE European Fan clubs are folding because they have nothing to be motivated by.

Michael has a world wide fan base, consisting of millions of people, EVERYONE on planet earth is a fan of Michael’s music, maybe not the man but definitely the music and because of yours and Grace’s less than impressive managerial skills your depriving everyone of the music… Not to mention depriving Michael of his creativity and not giving him a reason to be motivated.

The fans are fed up and tired of your BS. Katrina single this, Katrina single that. Please!
Everyone, I mean EVERYONE saw from the outset that this song was not going to go anywhere. And he got the blame for it, when the blame really is on your terrible work ethics and Grace for being such a *$%# wet blanket and babying him to the point where she was telling him to go to bed when he was being motivated to go to a studio and work on the damn song.

Japan ticket prices are being blamed on Michael, everyone can see that. He NEVER sets the ticket prices, I’ve met Michael many MANY times, and never paid once for that, and one of those occasions I stood in the street for 2 hours with him again, totally free. Michael has always been unimpressed when ticket prices have been above a certain level this Japan trip is a prime example of why he clearly has no knowledge of the prices.

Did you know that during all his tours he had someone employed to look at the average earning of the General Public in each country so that ticket prices for his fans were affordable? Did you know that Michael threw a fit at Madison Square Garden’s when he knew that some fans were being ripped off to the tune of over $1000 for a seat at the show? Did you know that for a 2 and a half hour LIVE concert in Tokyo and Yokahama in 1996 and 1997 cost only $77? Now to shake his hand its minimum $1700. Do you not see what’s wrong with that? Actually, I’m sure you both see what’s wrong with that but I’m sure your both getting a nice slice of the proceeds so your just going to ignore it…. How professional of you both.

I hope you and Grace are both happy with what your doing, and I hope you both choke on the proceeds you make from your half assed business advising you do with him. I just hope very soon that Michael opens his eyes from the drugs haze Grace has him on and can see that both your asses need to be canned and fast or he is going to be cutting the ribbon at the opening of the newest gas station in town.

Mark my words. At some point in time, Michael will be told this, the fans will get to him, and tell him ALL of this.


***** ****
And this is her reply:

"-----Original Message-----
From: xxxxx@aol.com
To: xxxxx@aol.com
Sent: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 10.40AM
Subject: Re: Please read ENTIRE email

Listen, stop sending me these ridiculous emails.

Frankly, I do not care what you say, who you represent, who you speak
for or what you think. It is none of my business what you think about me,
my team or anything else.

I am forwarding your email to my spam folder and from this moment on
have placed a block from an email with this address.

If you have nothing to do, spend your time annoying someone else. I'm
too busy."

Raymone K Bain
*****
[Edited 12/16/06 23:17pm]

And now a response from Paul (ADMIN of MJNewsOnline and organizer of the party for the fans that fell through.)

Paul's Response to the above letter to Bain and her response:
I don't know about the allegations that have been made in that email. But there is a growing concern about Michael's current management, and it is very, very well justified.

Fallen*Immortal: Just because you don't want something to be true, doesn't mean it isn't. I can't speak on the majority of that email, but what happened with our party is not speculation.

1,000 fans were disappointed, we lost so much money, and all as a direct result of Michael's incompetent management. Since, we haven't received even an inkling of a sorry, or a thank-you, and Raymone (who does run the show) has not even attempted to sort this out.

This Japan thing is completely ridiculous. $130 for tickets? And this is a "fan appreciation day"? We charged just £15 ($25) for tickets to our party, and how could we do that - because our profit margin was around about 0%.

If anything, this party, that they are holding, is taking grave advantage of the fans, and I do not believe for a moment that Michael is fully aware of these proceedings.

The email makes an interesting point. It states that five clubs have folded, for lack of motivation under this management. I can speak only for myself, and will say that a major reason in my leaving MJNO was indeed complete and utter lack of motivation, the feeling of being slapped in the face after trying to accomplish something good for the fans, good for Michael, by Michael's very own team.

This is how Michael's fanclubs have been treated. I can't do it anymore, Trish of MJJF cannot do it anymore. And considering all the time, effort and dedication we've put into our respective clubs, such harsh decisions were not easy to come by. They're the result of so much neglect, and disrespect - it's not right.

This is not the way Michael's own management should be treating his fanclubs. And as for Michael's own projects, well...almost every single one of them has fell through.

Our party was going to lift everyones spirits, including Michael's. We got it together, and they didn't. They have not tried to rectify the situation, because they (Raymone's team) evidently do not give a damn about the fans. It sucks, but it is the truth - no use in denying that.
[Edited 12/16/06 23:52pm]
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Reply #1 posted 12/17/06 12:39am

CinisterCee

JasonStar said:

We know Will.I.am is not going to be working with Michael and is upset that he was used for a “Fluff” piece on Access Hollywood.


Where does this "insider" info come from if MJ's own handlers don't answer emails?
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Reply #2 posted 12/17/06 3:00am

calldapplwonde
ry83

I only read the first couple of sentences of the first e-mail, but oh my... some people are nuts


lol
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Reply #3 posted 12/17/06 4:58am

Ottensen

Thar poor 'fan' actually behaves as if he knows all of his assertions to be true, actually he speaks as if it gospel truth. He sounds delusional.

Anybody who has ever come within 10 ft. of an actual (working) Jackson family member for more than 2 nanoseconds knows damned well that there's nothing naive about those people. They are very exacting, very alert, very aware of everything going on around them at all times HOWEVER they try to spin or come off to the media. That kid needs to 'let go, and let Michael' wink He'll be aiight. He'll never make a comeback to where he once was, but he'll be aiight..
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Reply #4 posted 12/17/06 4:59am

FunkyBrotha

i love michaels music, but even i am beginning to believe he should just give up and fire all these people and lead his life!

why is it that noone linked to mj over the past ten years has been truthful, non-deceitful and money grabbing?
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Reply #5 posted 12/17/06 12:49pm

CinisterCee

Ottensen said:

Thar poor 'fan' actually behaves as if he knows all of his assertions to be true, actually he speaks as if it gospel truth. He sounds delusional.
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Reply #6 posted 12/17/06 2:35pm

sosgemini

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CinisterCee said:

Ottensen said:

Thar poor 'fan' actually behaves as if he knows all of his assertions to be true, actually he speaks as if it gospel truth. He sounds delusional.



say it!! say it!!
Space for sale...
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Reply #7 posted 12/17/06 4:07pm

BT11

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What Japan fiasco? And he's not working with Will.I.Am now???
music
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Reply #8 posted 12/17/06 4:35pm

JasonStar

BT11 said:

What Japan fiasco? And he's not working with Will.I.Am now???


The Japan "Fiasco"

In a nutshell..orignally Michael was going to have a Christmas event with fans and other people in Japan. Fans had to pay CRAZY money to sit at the table, and even more money to actually get a photo with Michael. It was crazy.

Now it has changed and it isn't much better. Here is the press release annoucing the changes:

-----

Michael Jackson and Broderick Morris, CEO, Positive Productions
Announce Date Change and an Additional “Fan Appreciation Day.”

Tokyo, Japan -- Pop star Michael Jackson and Broderick Morris, CEO, Positive
Productions, have mutually agreed today to postpone the Tokyo Christmas
Celebration, planned for December 19, 2006, at the Tokyo Studio Coast, to
March 2007.

Both men agreed to the change in order to add a second separate event,
a “Fan Appreciation Day,” on March 9, 2007, for Japanese fans, and fans in
other parts of the world who wish to attend, noted Morris, who added that
they selected the March 9th date because it is referred to in Japan as San Ku,
which means, “Thank You.”

The Corporate VIP Event, which Mr. Jackson will meet, greet and take photos
with attendees, be held the day before on March 8, 2007.

“I will be attending these special events on March 8th and 9th in Tokyo, Japan,”
said Michael Jackson. “Tokyo is such a wonderful place, and I look forward
to speaking to my friends and fans at both events. My fans have been so
loving and supportive of me, and I am honored to attend an event to thank them
for the love and support they have shown to me, and my family, throughout
the years,” Jackson added.

“We want to be as inclusive as possible to all of Michael’s fans,” explained
Morris. “They have supported him throughout his career, and this is a unique
opportunity for him to thank them. We both wanted to make sure that the
events were planned in a way as to include as many of Michael’s friends and
fans as possible.” Morris said persons holding tickets for the Christmas event
will receive priority consideration for the new dates. Purchasers of tickets can
also return those tickets for a full refund.
-----

Now, here is the kicker. If it is a fan appreciation thing, the fans should not have to pay for anything. Am I right? I think it defeats the purpose for the fans to pay money for Michael to thank them. Sillyness. Even me, a die-hard MJ fan can see that.

Will.I.Am

While it was shown on Access Hollywood that they were working together, if you watched the interviews in detail, it was shown that they weren't. Will.I.Am was just showing Michael some of the beats he had made, and if Michael liked them, they MIGHT work together. Needless to say, it probably won't happen.
[Edited 12/17/06 16:40pm]
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Reply #9 posted 12/17/06 5:28pm

Ottensen

sosgemini said:

CinisterCee said:




say it!! say it!!


well, wish i would have said it better, but i wasn't spell checking because i was trying not to burn my omlette at that moment. ANYHOO, you all know what i'm trying to say lol
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Reply #10 posted 12/17/06 7:05pm

lowkey

JasonStar said:

BT11 said:

What Japan fiasco? And he's not working with Will.I.Am now???


The Japan "Fiasco"

In a nutshell..orignally Michael was going to have a Christmas event with fans and other people in Japan. Fans had to pay CRAZY money to sit at the table, and even more money to actually get a photo with Michael. It was crazy.

Now it has changed and it isn't much better. Here is the press release annoucing the changes:

-----

Michael Jackson and Broderick Morris, CEO, Positive Productions
Announce Date Change and an Additional “Fan Appreciation Day.”

Tokyo, Japan -- Pop star Michael Jackson and Broderick Morris, CEO, Positive
Productions, have mutually agreed today to postpone the Tokyo Christmas
Celebration, planned for December 19, 2006, at the Tokyo Studio Coast, to
March 2007.

Both men agreed to the change in order to add a second separate event,
a “Fan Appreciation Day,” on March 9, 2007, for Japanese fans, and fans in
other parts of the world who wish to attend, noted Morris, who added that
they selected the March 9th date because it is referred to in Japan as San Ku,
which means, “Thank You.”

The Corporate VIP Event, which Mr. Jackson will meet, greet and take photos
with attendees, be held the day before on March 8, 2007.

“I will be attending these special events on March 8th and 9th in Tokyo, Japan,”
said Michael Jackson. “Tokyo is such a wonderful place, and I look forward
to speaking to my friends and fans at both events. My fans have been so
loving and supportive of me, and I am honored to attend an event to thank them
for the love and support they have shown to me, and my family, throughout
the years,” Jackson added.

“We want to be as inclusive as possible to all of Michael’s fans,” explained
Morris. “They have supported him throughout his career, and this is a unique
opportunity for him to thank them. We both wanted to make sure that the
events were planned in a way as to include as many of Michael’s friends and
fans as possible.” Morris said persons holding tickets for the Christmas event
will receive priority consideration for the new dates. Purchasers of tickets can
also return those tickets for a full refund.
-----

Now, here is the kicker. If it is a fan appreciation thing, the fans should not have to pay for anything. Am I right? I think it defeats the purpose for the fans to pay money for Michael to thank them. Sillyness. Even me, a die-hard MJ fan can see that.

Will.I.Am

While it was shown on Access Hollywood that they were working together, if you watched the interviews in detail, it was shown that they weren't. Will.I.Am was just showing Michael some of the beats he had made, and if Michael liked them, they MIGHT work together. Needless to say, it probably won't happen.
[Edited 12/17/06 16:40pm]



so he's basically charging crazy money for a meet and greet? and he dont even have a new album out.
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Reply #11 posted 12/17/06 8:42pm

skyecute

1.Why is this part ignored:"Fans can get a FULL refund for tickets purchased"?

IF people want their money back for this event, they can get it back.

2. Who is this person who wrote this e-mail? It sounds like a detractor trying to "divide and conquer" the fans.

3. Anyone who purchased tickets for this event, KNEW the particulars involved. They KNEW that it was not a concert. They KNEW that it was a "meet and greet". They knew that it was NOT sponsored by a fan club. I am really sick of people complaining of things when they know what to expect. It is not as if anyone is FORCING them to go to these events. No one is pulling their legs and promising them that this is a big comeback concert. Either they can choose to go or stay at home. It is as simple as that.
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Reply #12 posted 12/17/06 9:16pm

skyecute

Things that need to be pointed out concerning this purported email from a "fan":

1. Raymone Bain was NOT fired by Michael PERSONALLY. She was fired by his lawyer, Mesereau. She was immediately hired back by Michael himself. Therefore, this "fan" is clearly not acquainted with the FACTS.

2. She said that she was at Michael's side after or during the verdict. Was this "fan" in the car with Michael and Raymone to know that she was or wasn't there?

3. What FIVE fan clubs have "folded"? The main fan clubs really worth anything are still in existence. Michael probably has more fan clubs than any other entertainer, and I doubt that five supposedly closing(from the hundreds and hundreds in existence) will cause much damage. I know that every fan club is important, but this person, this "fan" is trying to act as if five (if we are to believe him or her) fanclubs is the end all.

4. This "fan" seems to have another agenda that has more to do with themselves than it does concern for Michael.
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Reply #13 posted 12/18/06 4:11am

jn2

I didn't understand one thing..
EVERYONE on planet earth is a fan of Michael’s music, maybe not the man but definitely the music
eek


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[Edited 12/18/06 4:12am]
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Reply #14 posted 12/18/06 4:18am

pjh1972

What a fiasco. There's some top level bickering going on over at some of the MJ forums as a result of all this.

When is he going to stop messing about with ludicrous plans that invariably get cancelled/postponed/quietly dropped and concentrate on his music ?
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Reply #15 posted 12/18/06 4:37am

Ottensen

pjh1972 said:

What a fiasco. There's some top level bickering going on over at some of the MJ forums as a result of all this.

When is he going to stop messing about with ludicrous plans that invariably get cancelled/postponed/quietly dropped and concentrate on his music ?


My question is, why do people even care? At the end of the day Michael is a grown assed man who will do whatever he wants to do: like he actually CARES about what people on his fan forums think. People need to wake up and come back down to planet earth. confused
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Reply #16 posted 12/18/06 4:49am

CandaceS

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disbelief
"I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015
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Reply #17 posted 12/18/06 4:53am

whatsgoingon

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jn2 said:

I didn't understand one thing..
EVERYONE on planet earth is a fan of Michael’s music, maybe not the man but definitely the music
eek


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[Edited 12/18/06 4:12am]

I know, lol very presumptious. Even when Michael was at his very peak, during the Thriller era, not everyone was a fan of his music..
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Reply #18 posted 12/18/06 5:03am

prettymansson

If he stopped the BULLSHIT already and grew the hell up and acted like a man none of this would be an issue..! confused
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Reply #19 posted 12/18/06 8:58am

dag

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I don´t even bother reading.
"When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all."
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Reply #20 posted 12/18/06 9:30am

BT11

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JasonStar said:

BT11 said:

What Japan fiasco? And he's not working with Will.I.Am now???


The Japan "Fiasco"

In a nutshell..orignally Michael was going to have a Christmas event with fans and other people in Japan. Fans had to pay CRAZY money to sit at the table, and even more money to actually get a photo with Michael. It was crazy.

Now it has changed and it isn't much better. Here is the press release annoucing the changes:

-----

Michael Jackson and Broderick Morris, CEO, Positive Productions
Announce Date Change and an Additional “Fan Appreciation Day.”

Tokyo, Japan -- Pop star Michael Jackson and Broderick Morris, CEO, Positive
Productions, have mutually agreed today to postpone the Tokyo Christmas
Celebration, planned for December 19, 2006, at the Tokyo Studio Coast, to
March 2007.

Both men agreed to the change in order to add a second separate event,
a “Fan Appreciation Day,” on March 9, 2007, for Japanese fans, and fans in
other parts of the world who wish to attend, noted Morris, who added that
they selected the March 9th date because it is referred to in Japan as San Ku,
which means, “Thank You.”

The Corporate VIP Event, which Mr. Jackson will meet, greet and take photos
with attendees, be held the day before on March 8, 2007.

“I will be attending these special events on March 8th and 9th in Tokyo, Japan,”
said Michael Jackson. “Tokyo is such a wonderful place, and I look forward
to speaking to my friends and fans at both events. My fans have been so
loving and supportive of me, and I am honored to attend an event to thank them
for the love and support they have shown to me, and my family, throughout
the years,” Jackson added.

“We want to be as inclusive as possible to all of Michael’s fans,” explained
Morris. “They have supported him throughout his career, and this is a unique
opportunity for him to thank them. We both wanted to make sure that the
events were planned in a way as to include as many of Michael’s friends and
fans as possible.” Morris said persons holding tickets for the Christmas event
will receive priority consideration for the new dates. Purchasers of tickets can
also return those tickets for a full refund.
-----

Now, here is the kicker. If it is a fan appreciation thing, the fans should not have to pay for anything. Am I right? I think it defeats the purpose for the fans to pay money for Michael to thank them. Sillyness. Even me, a die-hard MJ fan can see that.

Will.I.Am

While it was shown on Access Hollywood that they were working together, if you watched the interviews in detail, it was shown that they weren't. Will.I.Am was just showing Michael some of the beats he had made, and if Michael liked them, they MIGHT work together. Needless to say, it probably won't happen.
[Edited 12/17/06 16:40pm]



Thanks for the info!
I'm getting tired of all this, it's nearly impossible to be a MJ-fan these days! The only thing I want is an album with new material.
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Reply #21 posted 12/18/06 9:42am

Scorpion

jn2 said:

I didn't understand one thing..
EVERYONE on planet earth is a fan of Michael’s music, maybe not the man but definitely the music
eek


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[Edited 12/18/06 4:12am]



ROOOOOTF!!

I'M SAYIN'!! lol
tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
Love is a losing game
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